describe how it is unfair please
describe how it is unfair please
Truth be told, the problem is more the supporters than the candidates. The attack is a little unfair, but the real firestorm around it supporters looking for something to rip into each other about.
yeah, just think how meaningless this looks next to any of Biden's biggest gaffes.This whole drama is about nothing. Warren & Sanders need to dismiss these non-stories and attack Biden or they're both done.
The people behind both of these candidates' campaigns are such fucking clowns.
It's like poetry, it rhymesA pattern of lying. After the vehement denials.
Just like 2016.
Truth be told, the problem is more the supporters than the candidates. The attack is a little unfair, but the real firestorm around it is supporters looking for something to rip into each other about.
There's always an ascending order of zeal in these things as you work your way down the campaign hierarchy. Staffers are more zealous than candidates, volunteers moreso than staffers, and people posting on forums got 'em all beat handily.
If he didn't personally approve the script he can absolutely think using the script is people saying things they shouldn't.
it's almost as if only one of them can winThe worst part is that resetera's own survey showed that around 9 of 10 members here are cool with both candidates. But you wouldn't guess that, given the extent that the small minority of vehemently anti-Sanders and anti-Warren posters are dominating the conversation.
It's clear from the article that the Sanders camp said one thing. That thing turned out to not be true. This is relevant to this particular story but it also potentially connects to the larger questions around honesty and trustworthiness with regard to the Sanders/ Warren he said/ she said back and forth.
Agreed. There's an ardent sub-sect of people in both progressive candidates' camps who are gleeful at the prospect of tearing into the other over trivialities, and it's tiresome.
The Sanders camp had said those weren't signed off on and/ or were "unapproved."I'm actually confused now, too. Where's the new information that contradicts what Sanders or his campaign said "over the weekend"?
Politico says:
"The controversial talking points attacking Elizabeth Warren that Bernie Sanders' campaign deployed were given to teams in at least two early voting states on Friday, three Sanders campaign officials confirmed.
Volunteers and staffers used the script on Saturday while canvassing for votes, meaning the talking points were more official than what Sanders previously suggested after POLITICO reported on the language."
What is actually new here?
Bernie in 2020: I would never say such things about a woman candidate
There's a large difference between acknowledging a fait divers that happened that ultimately has no interest whatsoever and making yet another thread on yet another flimsy excuse for yet another hollow controversy. This thread is not made in good faith in the slightest. The very article quoted belies the very silly and transparent OP.
And you had no quote for me :(
C'mon, now. This is new news, it gets a new thread. That people have existing political opinions doesn't mean that the thread has to exist in purgatory.Yea, almost no thread is made in good faith since 95% of Political OT belong to two communities who keep trying to get pot shots at each other.
So, it's a somewhat fine distinction, but saying that she only appeals to to whiter, more affluent people doesn't quite capture the full picture. She's broadly popular with most demos, it's just that other candidates are more popular. Thus, "a little unfair." Hardly the end of the world, but I can see why it might rankle some people.Yep. Her support skews white and well-off. I don't understand why Sanders campaign even bothered to issue a token denial.
I figure both can be true at the same time, no? Trashing is a little hyperbolic for what was said, but it's definitely about attacking her electability as opposed to just boosting Sanders.the stuff in the script wasn't trashing her, but to try to convert supporters of hers to Bernie which was also done for the other candidates. Why is it suddenly not okay to try to convert voters to Bernie voters when its Warren but not to do so for the rest of the candidates
C'mon, now. This is new news, it gets a new thread. That people have existing political opinions doesn't mean that the thread has to exist in purgatory.
So, it's a somewhat fine distinction, but saying that she only appeals to to whiter, more affluent people doesn't quite capture the full picture. She's broadly popular with most demos, it's just that other candidates are more popular. Thus, "a little unfair." Hardly the end of the world, but I can see why it might rankle some people.
I figure both can be true at the same time, no? Trashing is a little hyperbolic for what was said, but it's definitely about attacking her electability as opposed to just boosting Sanders.
this is true and taking it as a description of every individual warren supporter is ridiculous nonsense that absolutely nobody would do unless they're looking for a reason to fightIn Warren's case, they stated that the "people who support her are highly-educated, more affluent people who are going to show up and vote Democratic no matter what" and that "she's bringing no new bases into the Democratic Party."
So... a real mountain out of a molehill here. Remind yourself of what the 2008 primary was like and reflect on how mild "Warren voters are going to vote Dem no matter who wins" is compared to the absolute low blows Clinton and Obama were throwing back and forth at each other.
It's not even remotely worth engaging this discussion, of course people that make negative threads about a candidate don't like them, why would you post it if you did, same reason we have no positive threads about BidenYea, almost no thread is made in good faith since 95% of Political OT belong to two communities who keep trying to get pot shots at each other.
This fucking blows. It's gonna be a Biden or Trump presidency with all of this shit going on and how big of a deal everyone seems to keep making it.
while true, again this is apparently only an issue with Warren supporters when the other candidates were included as well?I figure both can be true at the same time, no? Trashing is a little hyperbolic for what was said, but it's definitely about attacking her electability as opposed to just boosting Sanders.
Like I said, it's only a little unfair. She does have appeal outside of the groups currently pledged to her, and it does erase them. It's also hard to argue on the merits when the only person currently drawing unusually high support in General polling as opposed to the Primary is... uh... Biden.this is true and taking it as a description of every individual warren supporter is ridiculous nonsense that absolutely nobody would do unless they're looking for a reason to fight
Warren supporters are the only ones in the list with any reason to feel "betrayed," is I guess how I'd put it. Nobody's out there going "I can't believe Bernie slammed Pete!"while true, again this is apparently only an issue with Warren supporters when the other candidates were included as well?
EssentiallyThis whole drama is about nothing. Warren & Sanders need to dismiss these non-stories and attack Biden or they're both done.
while true, again this is apparently only an issue with Warren supporters when the other candidates were included as well?
yeah it doesn't really pass the sniff testwhile true, again this is apparently only an issue with Warren supporters when the other candidates were included as well?
I'd say Obama supporting Warren or Sanders would tank Biden's chances. He's only being held up by black voters, many of who simply think he has the best shot of winning, or are most familiar with him from his long history, but I'd wager a portion because of his association with Obama as his VP
well I wouldn't call it loudly if I have seen literally no signs of it anywhereall the biden supporters on the forum are probably loudly complaining about this too
drawing any distinction between them is unfair and actually a violent attack on warren and all her supporters
the stuff in the script wasn't trashing her, but to try to convert supporters of hers to Bernie which was also done for the other candidates. Why is it suddenly not okay to try to convert voters to Bernie voters when its Warren but not to do so for the rest of the candidates
You can argue his wording could have been better sure, but calling it a lie is being purposefully disingenous. This is the same level of mischaracterisation as those assuming Warren is straight up lying about the other situation.
If he didn't personally approve the script he can absolutely think using the script is people saying things they shouldn't.
What kind of world are yall living in where primary candidates dont have scripts for each other when door knocking?
Bernie's script for Warren is 1000% tamer then any city council race I've ever knocked on doors for.
Bernie does seem to live rent free in a lot of people's heads here. I just hope he wins and becomes president.
Yeah, if Obama actually weighed in against Biden, all bets are off.I'd say Obama supporting Warren or Sanders would tank Biden's chances. He's only being held up by black voters, many of who simply think he has the best shot of winning, or are most familiar with him from his long history, but I'd wager a portion because of his association with Obama as his VP
i have it on good authority that poliera is All Biden All The TimeIt's not even remotely worth engaging this discussion, of course people that make negative threads about a candidate don't like them, why would you post it if you did, same reason we have no positive threads about Biden
I'd say Obama supporting Warren or Sanders would tank Biden's chances. He's only being held up by black voters, many of who simply think he has the best shot of winning, or are most familiar with him from his long history, but I'd wager a portion because of his association with Obama as his VP
lol I can only imagine "how could he have done this, I thought him and Pete were tight"Warren supporters are the only ones in the list with any reason to feel "betrayed," is I guess how I'd put it. Nobody's out there going "I can't believe Bernie slammed Pete!"
Well, somebody probably is.
well I wouldn't call it loudly if I have seen literally no signs of it anywhere