Nintendo has no reason to release a Switch 2 this year with how many games the current Switch is getting.
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The last time Nintendo released this many games it was 2017 and a launch year. If they don't release a new system now it will be a game drought for years as the teams that made these games start on their next projects
edit: Cross Gen is real
that only helps Drake. more games that can get performance upgrade patches/modes. games don't have to be tied to hardware anymore
They gotta change this name man. I'm from Toronto and it's really throwing me off. 🤣🤣🤦🏿♂️
It might be kind of cool if there were some games built specifically around it with somewhat simpler graphics otherwise. It's not impossible - the Steam Deck can handle Ghostrunner with RT reflections at about 40fps, apparently. But otherwise it would feel like a bit of a waste.
I hope they have a plan for backwards compatibility. I know DLSS is not magic, so I'm not wishing for something unrealistic, it would just be nice to be able to play old games on the new machine.
tbh hardware capable of DLSS and raytracing has to be powerful enough by itself to support those graphical features even with tensor cores so you're definitely getting a device of similar performance as PS4/XboX One S at the very least.
I'd say it's probably gonna be similar to how the first switch was comparable to 360/ps3 but still pushing above those consoles because it had a more modern architecture.
With how crazy the pandemic is, aligning everything together is impossible. They have to make sure their platform is ready for production and partners can launch games being made with the platform in mind. Having a large number of games (which some could get delayed to next year even) isnt going to stop whatever they are planning
They can't make enough Switches to sell at the moment. No way they launch a new machine, with lower margins for a while. It is coming, though. And if they didn't have supply constraints it probably would have come sooner.
My guess about 1.5 - 2TFLOP is a nice conservative estimate. With the right CPU you could probably get close to Series S performance IMO with DLSS implemented.
Without DLSS you're probably looking at a max of 1080p native resolution docked for third party games depending if you're throwing on anything like ray tracing, probably less. First party games may be able to natively go above 1080 considering how much the first party developers punch above weight.
That's just from what I gather from people on Era.
It was a hoaxed old Switch, before the Switch came out. 3D printed, supposed to be a thing with no true traditional buttons. People analyzed the trees in the reflection and saw they looked very very similar to trees outside of the Crytek office, which would have been positioned near a window and would have lined up with a Swedish keyboard in another picture.
I don't think there's as much of a difference as some people are making out. I think no matter whether the next hardware is technically called the successor or not, it'll be part of the Switch family and play Switch games.
does ray tracing use dedicated silicon or does it share it with DLSS? Seems an inefficient use of silicon for a small SoC - I'd arguably want more standard GPU/CPU performance. But if the DLSS silicon is reusable that would be good.
*if* it was similar to that T234 on page one, what would performance be estimated at?
*if* it was similar to that T234 on page one, what would performance be estimated at?
Nvidia said a few weeks ago they don't see any problems with that for the second half of 2022
It wasn't Crytek, iirc it was Massive.
But in a stroke of luck, the "leaker" was also in Stockholm lmao
Good thing it's not a successor!
This is a perfect time for a mid-gen upgrade.
This DLSS Switch will still be targeting Nintendo games to render at 540p-720p for portable mode…so no reason why they won't put every Nintendo game on the current models for the next 4-5 years as well.
Hopefully Nintendo has a workaround for mass scalper bot activity…
Yes it did.
Not sure what that had to do with my post though :P
But yea, they released the shield tv ~5 months after they revealed the Tegra X1.
Releasing its first video gaming product based on an Orin chip 5 years (2024) after its reveal doesn't make any sense.
An Orin based gaming machine in 2022 makes way more sense.
DLSS and nvidia RTX raytracing both use the hardware tensor cores.
NVidia silicon has dedicated hardware for ML and dedicated hardware for RayTracing.
The RayTracing hardware can be used for audio though, and the Tensor Cores can be used for AI in games.
They can be used for more than just DLSS and RTGI.
It's up to how a developer chooses to use the hardware for their goals.
RT cores for example are apparently really good for physics calculations. So, makes you think what a dev would do beyond the bog standard purpose of this silicon.
They do not. Tensor Cores handles DLSS, RTX is handled by the RT cores.
Thank you. You're right, and this is why I think there's a new system coming.
Although a not insignificant chunk of the board is convinced that the Switch 2 is only coming in like 2027, after another drought passes and we get another flood of games. I personally think that's madness
Probably a lot of the games that we are getting this year were planned for 2020/2021/2022 but COVID happened and were internally delayed.
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Devkits have been out since late 2020, so you expect Nintendo, Nintendo.
To have devkits out for a system they want likely top-secret for more than 3 years?
Also, don't know if it was mentioned here yet but, we know the CUDA Core count and therefore most of the GPU-side of things now.
Twelve SMs, 1GPC with 6SMs per GPC with it being a derivation of the Orin GA10B uArch.
So
And that is before DLSS!
Not to mention even if it's 6 RT cores of Ampere's Generation that would likely beat the Series S's acceleration for RT, and if it's 12 of Ampere then it would match up or beat the PS5's
Ditto that if the RT cores are actually Lovelace (NVIDIA has not listed the generation of the Orin RT cores in Orin's Devpapers yet)
Twelve SMs, 1GPC with 6SMs per GPC with it being a derivation of the Orin GA10B uArch.
So
- 1536 CUDA cores
- 2.3MB of L1 Cache
- 4MB of L2 Cache
- 6 or 12 RT cores (Orin's Devpapers and the NVN2 Files conflict on this so it may be a Drake-specific customization that makes it GA10F that brings it back to 1:1 on RT Core/SM versus the 1:2 of Orin/GA10B)
- 48 Tensor cores
And that is before DLSS!
Not to mention even if it's 6 RT cores of Ampere's Generation that would likely beat the Series S's acceleration for RT, and if it's 12 of Ampere then it would match up or beat the PS5's
Ditto that if the RT cores are actually Lovelace (NVIDIA has not listed the generation of the Orin RT cores in Orin's Devpapers yet)
It's almost as if something happened in 2020 that could drastically change internal plans
Software, easy to delay.
hardware? ehhhhhhhhhhh
Not so easy.
Especially with stuff that seems this far along with a seemingly fully finished API, and a finalized GPU core count in that API with robust feature support for RT and DLSS in it.
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modiz , Miniature Kaiju you were just talking about thisAlso, don't know if it was mentioned here yet but, we know the CUDA Core count and therefore most of the GPU-side of things now.
Twelve SMs, 1GPC with 6SMs per GPC with it being a derivation of the Orin GA10B uArch.
So
That is a monster of a GPU and would likely match up or beat the Laptop 3050 (and therefore quite easily outpace the PS4 Pro) when docked.
- 1536 CUDA cores
- 2.3MB of L1 Cache
- 4MB of L2 Cache
- 6 or 12 RT cores (Orin's Devpapers and the NVN2 Files conflict on this so it may be a Drake-specific customization that makes it GA10F that brings it back to 1:1 on RT Core/SM versus the 1:2 of Orin/GA10B)
- 48 Tensor cores
And that is before DLSS!
Not to mention even if it's 6 RT cores of Ampere's Generation that would likely beat the Series S's acceleration for RT, and if it's 12 of Ampere then it would match up or beat the PS5's
Ditto that if the RT cores are actually Lovelace (NVIDIA has not listed the generation of the Orin RT cores in Orin's Devpapers yet)
This is how I feel these days, hard to get excited about something I can't just buy lol.
I am drooling at the thought at what Nintendo could do with this type of hardware. What a sight it would be on these forums if the Switch 2(or maybe Pro?) had ray tracing that matched or exceeded the PS5 and Xbox Series.Also, don't know if it was mentioned here yet but, we know the CUDA Core count and therefore most of the GPU-side of things now.
Twelve SMs, 1GPC with 6SMs per GPC with it being a derivation of the Orin GA10B uArch.
So
That is a monster of a GPU and would likely match up or beat the Laptop 3050 (and therefore quite easily outpace the PS4 Pro) when docked.
- 1536 CUDA cores
- 2.3MB of L1 Cache
- 4MB of L2 Cache
- 6 or 12 RT cores (Orin's Devpapers and the NVN2 Files conflict on this so it may be a Drake-specific customization that makes it GA10F that brings it back to 1:1 on RT Core/SM versus the 1:2 of Orin/GA10B)
- 48 Tensor cores
And that is before DLSS!
Not to mention even if it's 6 RT cores of Ampere's Generation that would likely beat the Series S's acceleration for RT, and if it's 12 of Ampere then it would match up or beat the PS5's
Ditto that if the RT cores are actually Lovelace (NVIDIA has not listed the generation of the Orin RT cores in Orin's Devpapers yet)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's because the Switch has a small amount of memory bandwidth, so something like TAA isn't really feasible without dropping to low resolutions
Kinda the same reason why consoles don't use 16x AF because they have a limited amount of bandwidth that the CPU/GPU are fighting for, that could be used to make the image look better elsewhere
Several third party Switch games use AA. Alien and Crysis trilogy are good examples.
Good point, guess it's a matter of priority then
Yeah i'm struggling to think of any game that does use AA
This is the big thing. According to Dictator's video on the subject, the leaked 8nm chip would take a full 10ms at 15W to bring a frame up to 2160p resolution with DLSS. This is why I'm hoping the actual Switch 2 is stronger than that. 5nm, newer architecture, and 25W while docked would go quite a way towards making a portable powerhouse that could legitimately last about 8 years.
But let's not forget that it will probally be downclocked for heat, so it will not get that performace. Unless the chip is very cool when fully used.Also, don't know if it was mentioned here yet but, we know the CUDA Core count and therefore most of the GPU-side of things now.
Twelve SMs, 1GPC with 6SMs per GPC with it being a derivation of the Orin GA10B uArch.
So
That is a monster of a GPU and would likely match up or beat the Laptop 3050 (and therefore quite easily outpace the PS4 Pro) when docked.
- 1536 CUDA cores
- 2.3MB of L1 Cache
- 4MB of L2 Cache
- 6 or 12 RT cores (Orin's Devpapers and the NVN2 Files conflict on this so it may be a Drake-specific customization that makes it GA10F that brings it back to 1:1 on RT Core/SM versus the 1:2 of Orin/GA10B)
- 48 Tensor cores
And that is before DLSS!
Not to mention even if it's 6 RT cores of Ampere's Generation that would likely beat the Series S's acceleration for RT, and if it's 12 of Ampere then it would match up or beat the PS5's
Ditto that if the RT cores are actually Lovelace (NVIDIA has not listed the generation of the Orin RT cores in Orin's Devpapers yet)
would dlss also be handy to bring sub 720p games in handheld mode to 720p?
If this is accurate, that's totally successor territory. I don't think it's reasonable to try to get even Nintendo's first party devs to maximise that little beastie while simultaneously making sure that the games would still run on the original Switch.Also, don't know if it was mentioned here yet but, we know the CUDA Core count and therefore most of the GPU-side of things now.
Twelve SMs, 1GPC with 6SMs per GPC with it being a derivation of the Orin GA10B uArch.
So
That is a monster of a GPU and would likely match up or beat the Laptop 3050 (and therefore quite easily outpace the PS4 Pro) when docked.
- 1536 CUDA cores
- 2.3MB of L1 Cache
- 4MB of L2 Cache
- 6 or 12 RT cores (Orin's Devpapers and the NVN2 Files conflict on this so it may be a Drake-specific customization that makes it GA10F that brings it back to 1:1 on RT Core/SM versus the 1:2 of Orin/GA10B)
- 48 Tensor cores
And that is before DLSS!
Not to mention even if it's 6 RT cores of Ampere's Generation that would likely beat the Series S's acceleration for RT, and if it's 12 of Ampere then it would match up or beat the PS5's
Ditto that if the RT cores are actually Lovelace (NVIDIA has not listed the generation of the Orin RT cores in Orin's Devpapers yet)
This is my pure speculation but, with Zelda BotW 2 and Xeno 3, two open world games, Splatoon 3 a multiplayer game and new Pokémon gen a Switch pro this holiday would make tons of sense.
Let's not forget Monster Hunter Sun brake and Bayo 3!
Except for Mario (I guess Pokémon is in its place) we have all the heavy hitters from 2017 listed.
With a "pro" model this year the Switch really could last until...2026? So Switch being "somewhere in the middle of its lifespan" wouldn't end up being a lie. Kinda.
And anyway, we'll know if a "upgrade" is really happening since production needs to start very soon, no?
Let's not forget Monster Hunter Sun brake and Bayo 3!
Except for Mario (I guess Pokémon is in its place) we have all the heavy hitters from 2017 listed.
With a "pro" model this year the Switch really could last until...2026? So Switch being "somewhere in the middle of its lifespan" wouldn't end up being a lie. Kinda.
And anyway, we'll know if a "upgrade" is really happening since production needs to start very soon, no?
Trueee I always forget about that, we had it too good back then
