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Every once in a while, this idiot says something I agree with. lol
 

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are the hours of daylight not the same?

no, in addition to daylight savings, the earth spins on a wobbling axis which affects the length of days. In the northern hemisphere, days are shorter in the winter, culminating on the winter solstice, which is the shortest day of the year, and in the summer, days are longer, culminating on the summer solstice. During the summer solstice, with Daylights savings, it can be daylight till 9 pm, while during the winter solstice, without daylight savings, it can be nighttime at 4:45 pm. Daylight savings is only an hour difference, the rest of that time difference is the spin of the earth as it revolves around the sun.
 

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are the hours of daylight not the same?
Total, yes. High traffic afternoon hours...no.

I believe it needs to be standard myself as well in order to better mesh with the rest of the world, but most people don't have that opinion...mostly because they can't think about more than themselves.
 

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Dave Brown @dave_brown24

There it is. They talked about making Daylight Saving Time permanent on Fox & Friends yesterday

10:28 AM - Mar 11, 2019


Dave Brown @dave_brown24

"Basically everybody would like a little more sunshine in their life. As we spring forward today, what our bill would do in the fall, we eliminate the idea of falling back. So make it permanent sunshine long term. People are going to have a lot more sunshine"

10:32 AM - Mar 11, 2019



Jennifer Jacobs @JenniferJJacobs

Fox yesterday: "...permanent sunshine..."

Trump today: "Making Daylight Saving Time permanent is O.K. with me!"

10:38 AM - Mar 11, 2019
 

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Apparently not because this shit comes up every year and nothing gets done
And oddly enough, it doesn't do that well in polling either. It gets the majority, but not by as much as one might think.

It's amazing how many folks don't care about the time changes.
 

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DST>standard time. I don't give a shit about how much sun I get while going to work. I care deeply about how much sun I can enjoy in the evening.
 

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Hours of daylight, yes. Hours of daylight during operating hours, no.

no, the solstices affect the hours of daylight. The closer you are to the winter solstice, the closer the daylight hours are to about 8 hours. The closer you are to the summer solstice, the closer the daylight hours are to about 12 hours.
 

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Why would anyone want standard over dst? You actually like getting out of work at 5pm at it be dark? Dst allows for a lot of sunshine in the pm
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gimme that extra sun
 

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The problem with those maps is 7am and 5pm aren't reasonable sunrise or sunset.

Reasonable sunset should be after 7 which gives people at least an hour after work to do things. Reasonable sunrise should be 6am which gives people at least an hour before work to do things.

Have Andy redo his maps for those times and we'll talk.

Outside of the summer, very little of the US ever gets 13+ hours of sunlight in a day.
 

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edit - people advocating one over the other are foolish 😜 They both suck at their "respective" solstices. Sunrise at 8:20am in the winter (DST permanent), and sunset at 7:30pm in the summer (ST permanent) both suck.

Unless you're like me and 8:20 AM sunrise sounds wonderful. I prefer it to still be dark in the morning, and for sunrise to occur while I'm awake. DST all the way, baby.
 
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Dave Brown @dave_brown24

There it is. They talked about making Daylight Saving Time permanent on Fox & Friends yesterday

10:28 AM - Mar 11, 2019


Dave Brown @dave_brown24

"Basically everybody would like a little more sunshine in their life. As we spring forward today, what our bill would do in the fall, we eliminate the idea of falling back. So make it permanent sunshine long term. People are going to have a lot more sunshine"

10:32 AM - Mar 11, 2019



Jennifer Jacobs @JenniferJJacobs

Fox yesterday: "...permanent sunshine..."

Trump today: "Making Daylight Saving Time permanent is O.K. with me!"

10:38 AM - Mar 11, 2019


These sleuths have figured it out. Turns out Trump gets policy ideas from Fox News. Who knew!?
 

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Dave Brown @dave_brown24

There it is. They talked about making Daylight Saving Time permanent on Fox & Friends yesterday

10:28 AM - Mar 11, 2019


Dave Brown @dave_brown24

"Basically everybody would like a little more sunshine in their life. As we spring forward today, what our bill would do in the fall, we eliminate the idea of falling back. So make it permanent sunshine long term. People are going to have a lot more sunshine"

10:32 AM - Mar 11, 2019



Jennifer Jacobs @JenniferJJacobs

Fox yesterday: "...permanent sunshine..."

Trump today: "Making Daylight Saving Time permanent is O.K. with me!"

10:38 AM - Mar 11, 2019

If only Fox & Friends could use their powers for good all of the time...
 

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broken clock, twice a day, etc.

I honestly can't even fathom who is against this.

edit - people advocating one over the other are foolish 😜 They both suck at their "respective" solstices. Sunrise at 8:20am in the winter (DST permanent), and sunset at 7:30pm in the summer (ST permanent) both suck.
yea but sunrise at 820 sucks far far less than the sun going down at 430pm in winter in Texas on standard time.
 

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DST also gives those of us with solar panels much more juice during the hours we're actually awake.
 

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broken clock, twice a day, etc.

I honestly can't even fathom who is against this.

edit - people advocating one over the other are foolish 😜 They both suck at their "respective" solstices. Sunrise at 8:20am in the winter (DST permanent), and sunset at 7:30pm in the summer (ST permanent) both suck.

one demonstratably sucks more than the other. The vast majority of businesses do not open until 9 am, so adjusting the clock to give daylight to hours when the business world isn't even in operation is dumb. By contrast, even at the summer solstice, your daylight typically corresponds to hours when humanity is actually active.

DST all the way.

Here in Texas, during winter, I basically don't see sun during days I go to the office. I'll go into the office at 5:30 am, and get out at 5 pm, and both times are still in the dark. In the summer, I trade darkness in the afternoon for several hours of daylight. This gives me time, for example, to walk my dog and things of that sort. More sunlight when people are actually awake is just flat out smart.
 

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no, the solstices affect the hours of daylight. The closer you are to the winter solstice, the closer the daylight hours are to about 8 hours. The closer you are to the summer solstice, the closer the daylight hours are to about 12 hours.

Sorry, you're correct, I meant the hours of daylight are the same as they always have been (as you pointed out), not that the hours never change and will always be the same. I should have articulated that better.
 

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I don't see why we should switch to either "permanently." I'm okay with how things are now.
 

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YEah like ... you can't do DST. We already have timezones.

I'm all for ditching the switch but you gotta pick Standard, I don't see any other way.

If your argument is "I hate it when it's dark" or whatever, what do you propose is done about the existing international time zone framework? the whole thing shifts because you have feels about daylight hours?
I mean it already shifts. DST changeovers aren't the same in the US and the EU. Part of the year the East Coast of the US is GMT-4 and other parts of the year its GMT-5.
 

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Standard Time:

Sunrise is earlier and it's brighter when you wake up at 6 am it's dark when you get out of work

Daylight Time:

Sunrise is later and it's darker when you wake up at 6 am and it's brighter when you get out of work
Standard Time is more depressing as it's dark out when you get free. The days feel
Longer with Daylight Time. That is how it should be. I shouldn't have to be looking outside at 7 pm and see a fucking sunset I want a sunset at 8 pm in the summer. I want more time in the brightness of the day
 

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I don't see why we should switch to either "permanently." I'm okay with how things are now.

the number of fatal traffic accidents spike every year with the time switch. People get into biological rhythms, changing our perception of time is actually dangerous and manifests in people getting poorer sleep, which demonstrably results in more traffic deaths.
 

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one demonstratably sucks more than the other. The vast majority of businesses do not open until 9 am, so adjusting the clock to give daylight to hours when the business world isn't even in operation is dumb. By contrast, even at the summer solstice, your daylight typically corresponds to hours when humanity is actually active.

DST all the way.

Here in Texas, during winter, I basically don't see sun during days I go to the office. I'll go into the office at 5:30 am, and get out at 5 pm, and both times are still in the dark. In the summer, I trade darkness in the afternoon for several hours of daylight. This gives me time, for example, to walk my dog and things of that sort. More sunlight when people are actually awake is just flat out smart.
who cares when retail businesses open? Most people have started out their day well before 8am. Get into a professional setting and most of the people have either been there for up to an hour already, or are just getting there at 8am.
 

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I don't see why we should switch to either "permanently." I'm okay with how things are now.

It may not affect you directly, but the current system is moronic. It doesn't have any real benefits, is terrible for children and animals (parents and farmers), costs billions of dollars in productivity, and kills dozens of Americans (in traffic accidents and medical trauma) every year.
 

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who cares when retail businesses open? Most people have started out their day well before 8am. Get into a professional setting and most of the people have either been there for up to an hour already, or are just getting there at 8am.

A) retail business are professional settings

B) no, the vast majority of people have not "started their day" before 8 am, lest the retail world would reflect that

C) what you call "starting your day" is being stuck inside in an office. Who gives a fuck if it's daylight while I'm stuck inside working? The opposite is daylight when I'm off of work. Having daylight during my free time is much more important than having daylight when the vast, vast, vast majority of people are either stuck in an office or just waking up and brushing their teeth.
 

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Total, yes. High traffic afternoon hours...no.

I believe it needs to be standard myself as well in order to better mesh with the rest of the world, but most people don't have that opinion...mostly because they can't think about more than themselves.

I mean it's not like people are being murdered in the streets because of DST. It's a pretty small change that amounts to a nice little bonus IF it meshes with your schedule giving you more sunlight. So I don't see why someone's opinion on DST/ST shouldn't be about themselves.
 
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It's odd, I've never given this more than a seconds thought, however I do live in the UK which is only one timezone. Is this something that actually bothers a lot of people, perhaps in larger countries with multiple timezones?
 

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Whichever one lets it be lighter later is the one I vote for.

I prefer waking up in the dark. Easier on the eyes.
 

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It's odd, I've never given this more than a seconds thought, however I do live in the UK which is only one timezone. Is this something that actually bothers a lot of people, perhaps in larger countries with multiple timezones?

In the US, it's especially annoying because a few states don't observe DST. So in addition to multiple time zones, sometimes certain states could be as much as 2 hours earlier than you'd expect it to be.