I don't know, there doesn't seem to be that longing for a PS5 just yet. I think releasing it in 2019 is a mistake.
I don't know, there doesn't seem to be that longing for a PS5 just yet. I think releasing it in 2019 is a mistake.
They locked the thread before I could see if any insiders could confirm it lol shinobi602 Hasan Ali Almaci Vern Any of you guys care to comment on the Rocksteady Justice League rumor?
I don't know, there doesn't seem to be that longing for a PS5 just yet. I think releasing it in 2019 is a mistake.
Can you imagine what the Xbox One X could have cost had it launched the same time as the PS4 Pro?I think Sony has the best chance at being first for a few reasons:
1. Precedent. Sony was able to jump on 16nm with the pro a whole year ahead of the X. 16nm was available in smart phones in 2015, and Sony put out a 16nm console in 2016. Smartphones got 7nm processsers this year.
2. Resources. Sony engineers got the pro out in 2016 and Sony hasn't had any major hardware since. Microsoft only shipped the X a year ago and Phil said himself that it's the same people working on next gen.
3. Market leadership. Rumours are that AMD is heavily resourced towards PS5 development with their graphics engineers nearly dedicated to building its APU. That sounds like priority treatment.
50/50Do people actually proof read what they type before hitting the post reply button?
No it can mean both ways.Thank you!
I was looking for this. I read it the same way, that it indicates 2019 for PS5. What could possibly cause them to hide 19 unless it's a clear telegraph of expected losses for a business venture they are not ready to talk about?
I predict FY19 (ending March 2020) would be significantly down and FY 2020 is a bouceback year.
No it can mean both ways.
- If they hide a lower 2019 as you think then it indeed could mean a 2019 release date.
- But if they actually want to hide higher 2019 profits (so a decrease in 2020) then PS5 could launch in 2020
Because they want to hide the release date. And profits as a whole look good enough even without a slight 2019 increase.OK, but if PS5 did come in FY20 instead then how can the OP figures for it be so relatively high? Or for that matter why are figures shown in FY20 at all if that will be the launch FY? Also why would Sony want to try and hide future higher profits from those investors they are trying to snag?
Not matter which way I look at this only one thing makes sense to me.
Because they want to hide the release date. And profits as a whole look good enough even without a slight 2019 increase.
I can't wait for next-Gen. Decided to skip the Pro, so next-Gen is going to be big step for me.
Investment meetings are where they aren't allowed to lie, by law.They can estimate their profits of course but between now and March 2020 is a very long time away to be predicting what profits will end up being. A lot could happen in that time.
Who are they hiding the release date from as there are really only two realistic dates leaving aside force majeure. 2019 or 2020. Just investors and general public? The number one obvious entity you would want to hide it from if you could (MS in this case) are actually the one that probably already knows better than anyone outside Sony so for me I don't see the point in trying to "hide" stuff like this in this day and age.
Investment meetings are where they aren't allowed to lie, by law.
However, release dates of unannounced products are hidden as standard practice, because nothing hurts current hardware sales as much as announcing the successor. The logic is, the profit predictions in the chart are assuming that the PS5 release date isn't leaked early. If they had announced the release date via the chart, then the forecast would go DOWN. There will be any number of people who could buy a PS4, who would instead wait for a PS5. Yes, many already are waiting. But any official acknowledgement of PS5 being released would immediately increase that number of lost sales. And you really do NOT want a profit prediction, to end up lowing your final profits. That is basically self sabotage and is silly.
And I even forgot to tag the successful PS4 launch.
They are hiding the release year because they have no reason to announce it. Hardware rollouts is a lot of moving parts, and it is too important to end up announcing earlier than planned.Right, so the best course of action would be not even mention anything about dates.
I get this but it seems a bit old fashioned? PS4 sales/profits increased after Pro leaked early, even against Sony's own predictions and forecast didn't they? The market has changed. Like I said there are only two possible release years (no one expects a specific date just year) so they aren't really hiding anything anyway. 50/50 at worst.
Game and network services Segment in upper right corner. Network services will increase with ATSC 3.0 deployment and the Sony 8K TVs sales, which will have ATSC 3.0 tuners, and are likely in parallel with Sony projections for cord cutters and PlayStation gamers.The FY goals in question are specifically for PlayStation, not Sony as a whole.
Idk guys, I'm starting to extend my #team2019 craziness to Xbox as well. Is it possible that we get Scarlett in Fall 2019?
Mark Cerny specifically said that what you are suggesting (PS5 being just an upgraded PS4 Pro) will NOT be the case,and he said it on the day the PS4 Pro was announced.I see people think 2019 is unrealistic because the gen is still going strong and the tech isn't ready, but with the Pro and X revisions we've seen the industry shift towards iPhone-esque iterative releases, so even if the launch consoles miss some tech-jumps, they will rectify that 2-3 years later with a new version. As both are backwards compatible and all future hardware is likely to be backwards compatible to push the move to digital and GaaS, I honestly don't think either MS or Sony will hold off any later than 2020, and 2019 is a possibility.
The PS5 will be more like a PS4 Mk3.
I see Sony forcing MS's hand to Spring 2020 but not earlier. Doubly so if MS is missing out on next-gen versions of RDR2, Cyberpunk etc.Idk guys, I'm starting to extend my #team2019 craziness to Xbox as well. Is it possible that we get Scarlett in Fall 2019?
Mark Cerny specifically said that what you are suggesting (PS5 being just an upgraded PS4 Pro) will NOT be the case,and he said it on the day the PS4 Pro was announced.
Sony is still very much focused on a new generation,and that also forces MS to do the same.
As I already posted prior, most people agree that the hardware is ready for 2019. The issue is that the more 3rd parties stay with cross-gen titles, the more reason for Sony/MS to focus on good exclusive 1st party games to fill the gap.I see people think 2019 is unrealistic because the gen is still going strong and the tech isn't ready, but with the Pro and X revisions we've seen the industry shift towards iPhone-esque iterative releases, so even if the launch consoles miss some tech-jumps, they will rectify that 2-3 years later with a new version. As both are backwards compatible and all future hardware is likely to be backwards compatible to push the move to digital and GaaS, I honestly don't think either MS or Sony will hold off any later than 2020, and 2019 is a possibility.
The PS5 will be more like a PS4 Mk3.
Mark Cerny specifically said that what you are suggesting (PS5 being just an upgraded PS4 Pro) will NOT be the case,and he said it on the day the PS4 Pro was announced.
Sony is still very much focused on a new generation,and that also forces MS to do the same.
I think Sony has the best chance at being first for a few reasons:
1. Precedent. Sony was able to jump on 16nm with the pro a whole year ahead of the X. 16nm was available in smart phones in 2015, and Sony put out a 16nm console in 2016. Smartphones got 7nm processsers this year.
2. Resources. Sony engineers got the pro out in 2016 and Sony hasn't had any major hardware since. Microsoft only shipped the X a year ago and Phil said himself that it's the same people working on next gen.
3. Market leadership. Rumours are that AMD is heavily resourced towards PS5 development with their graphics engineers nearly dedicated to building its APU. That sounds like priority treatment.
Anyone have any ideas about the cut-off date for ruling out 2019? I'm actually surprised it hasn't been ruled already TBH. Sony (and maybe even Microsoft?) must be pulling their hair out if they still can't decide launch timing.
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The problem with revealing it at E3 for a same year release is GDC. Everything will leak from there for sure.
Here I shall present my evidence of how the PS3/PS4 2013 launch compares with PS4/PS5 2019 launch.
It was never meaningful. PS3 is crazy powerful, but most developers coudn't use it to its full potential. Power is only a thing discussed seriously on game forums, in the end it is always about the price, and the quality of the games.This is kind of a tangent. But if Xbox and PlayStation keep leapfrogging eachother with release dates doesn't that make who is most powerful less meaningful? Of course the newer console is more powerful, it's not a big deal. It always comes down to software
What is the point of releasing Scarlet early, when MS is even more behind than Sony on the games front?So the arguement for Sony not launching in 2019 is becuase PS4 is selling well but what's the argument for MS? since Xbox One isn't doing so hot and they would like to start next gen as early as possible and try to get that mindshare first....
You think? I don't think that most of what we call "hardcore gamer" are happy that Sony could go on the market faster than Ms ..because it could mean a less powerful base console ....then we have those who love sales ..they are in hype for sure for who start the gen first.... because sales wise... this usually mean to win the sales during the gen (but there are proof that don't always it works like this either )I find it funny that MS sort of kick-started the serious next-gen conversation at E3 when Phil mentioned the next Xbox and showed some games the definitely looked out there (e.g Halo Infinite), yet here we are 3 months later speculating on a PS5 in 2019 and next Xbox in 2020. I wonder if they regret mentioning that.
Sony's quiet approach seems to be effective. It's as if their silence alone builds hype. Heck, just look at what cancelling PSX has done.
They can have cross gen versions of their currently announced exclusives and third party games as well which would allow them to get the lead early in market and mindshare.What is the point of releasing Scarlet early, when MS is even more behind than Sony on the games front?
We have a different thread mentioning how MS is allowing their new studios and acquisitions to grow, but I doubt any of them would be even close to making a full game for release in 2019.
I mean, MS can release Scarlet with hardly any games in 2019... But since they are already the underdog, why would they want to handicap themselves further? It can be done, it would just be monumentally stupid on MS's part.
Well but Ms released the X just 1 years ago.....I think they will wait a year after the PS5 ...but will talk about scarlet at XOThey can have cross gen versions of their currently announced exclusives and third party games as well which would allow them to get the lead early in market and mindshare.
That kind of console would get about as much mindshare as the PS4Pro/1X; which is, 1 in 5 consoles sold.They can have cross gen versions of their currently announced exclusives and third party games as well which would allow them to get the lead early in market and mindshare.
That kind of console would get about as much mindshare as the PS4Pro/1X; which is, 1 in 5 consoles sold.
BC plans change the equation. Having BC means 3rd parties are going to struggle to justify making PS5/Scarlet exclusives that can't run on PS4/XB1. BC makes exclusives that can only be played on new hardware, even more vital to adoption rates.