It would be disappointing Imo. After Os you'd likely lose 4GB so 12Gb for games sounds like an awful upgrade.
I'm hoping 24GB min
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PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Post E3 2018
- Thread starter Phoenix Splash
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I'm hoping 24GB min
Everything points to a streaming and regular console (at least) being released. PHIL SPENCER HIMSELF said they are working on "consoles" PLURAL.
There WILL be two (at least) SKUs. Everything points to you being wrong already. Stop treating me like I'm simple. I'm probably right.
This. Let's stop hounding Jason to make a statement that he can't stand behind. If he had definitive information about PS5, he'd be hard at work on an article about it. As he's said before, he feels that information about console hardware is fair game for "leaks" as it provides a benefit to consumers.
I don't know about Jason, but I definitely don't know what you meant.
Pretty much exactly what I was thinking about zen and zen 2.
And yeah I fully expect custom parts and nothing off the shelf.
With AMDs road map to their own products and every little piece of evidence around the web I'm in the 2020 camp. I'm sure they are going to give us the best they can for a customer friendly price. That's all I can personally ask for.
About PS4 Pro? It's covered on this page. Sony kept really quiet about it until a few months before the announcement/launch. The user in question was basically asking if Jason believes something like that could happen for PS5. Keep it mum until really close to launch if it is more of an iteration on PS4.
I'm not sure I see that happening, as it'd lead to a really slow start for next-gen games. Unless all we're expecting from next-gen is PS4 games with better textures, framerates, and AI.
I am 90% sure, based on conversations with a fair number of developers, that the PS5 is scheduled for 2020. The 10% is because I haven't yet seen or heard concrete plans for it, and because with hardware launches, anything can change. (It might even wind up coming out later!)
Thank you for your contribution jason.much appreciated .as I told the 2019 team, we still even don't have a leak on PS5 code name ,let alone specs.so 12 months seems unreal at this point .end of 2011 we had PS4 leaks .
I wonder if Sony can pull a Spring 2020 launch or it could end up detrimental to Holiday 19 PS4 sales?
Mmm... thats great news. Thanks for sharing with us. Sorry Team 2019
Based on some of the pricing we're seeing now, I think Sony would still do quite well with PS4 if they lowered MSRP. Give us a $199 - $249 console SKU and the people who are interested in the PS4 in 2019 won't even bat an eye at the "new" box.
*chisels in another letter on the #team2019 tombstone*
you answered your own question there bucko
I don't think so.
PS4 Pro was a minor/small change for developers - at least from a development point of view, if not QA - while a new console cycle means a whole new baseline of specs. And while not every developer will immediately jump to that baseline, pubs will want to know about it for planning, much earlier than they needed to know about PS4 Pro and the need for a few extra lines of code for a higher display buffer or whatever. It was not very disruptive... a new console cycle is, even if it's going to be gentler in terms of API differences than maybe previous transitions were. It has business ramifications, strategy and planning ramifications.
So no, I don't think we can use PS4 Pro as an indicator here. If Sony kept that quiet for longer, it's because they could afford to... it was a 'small' deal to spring on pubs/devs. They'll need to talk to more pubs/devs about PS5 earlier.
They will both launch 2020 within few weeks of each other . (Just my guess )
Agreed. I kinda roll my eyes every time Pro is used as an example of PS5 dev kits being shipped out to devs last minute.
Either you omitted the second part of my post because it already agrees with your response, or I added it after the fact without realizing and you just missed it! Either way, I agree with you! I was just explaining what the original post in that chain was referring to.
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OLED is possible because Sony manufactures them for their various devices. HMZ T1-T3 used great small 720p OLEDs [and same displays were used as viewfinders for their cameras, electric binoculars, etc]. Vita also used Sony's own OLED. And Sony also produces phenomenal 30" OLED TV for film mastering [reference grade greatness].
BTW, LG has a patent on WRGB subpixels, so Sony uses plain old RGB.
Just for clarity, would it be true to say developers don't have launch timing windows to share (or at least that they are willing to share)?
They'll both ride out this gen for as long as possible and will launch in such a way as to not give each other a year head start. Process tech slow down makes this a lot easier as you can have your design ready for production and wait on it looking at the prices falling down while not being afraid of the competitor launching on the next gen process leapfroging your console performance. So 2021 is possible, sure.
Thank you for the info, Jason. There was something I wanted to ask, and I completely understand if you can't answer it - are any of these developers you've spoken to first-party, or are they all third-party?
From first parties it wouldn't matter
From third parties you aren't getting amazing future next gen games initially anyway. You'll get their existing games with the effects turned up to 11 on their already established PC based scalable engines and that's just fine
I think this is the post from the PS Blog from the week before launch with the early games list. 45 in the list plus highlighting some other big titles that were going to see support pretty soon
https://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/11/03/39-games-enhanced-for-ps4-pro-launch/
Im pretty convident the next Xbox is planned for a Nov 2020 launch.
Phil saying that the hardware teams are deep into development of next gen must mean they have been working on next gen for at least a year.
3years dev time for a console is what history has taught us.
Phil saying that the hardware teams are deep into development of next gen must mean they have been working on next gen for at least a year.
3years dev time for a console is what history has taught us.
So could PS5 basically have a zen cpu just shrunk down to 7nm? Basically a zen 1.5. what would just shrinking it add to its performance without any of the other bells and whistles?
I think we have enough games to comfortably carry us to Fall 2020. I'm not sure about Fall 2021.
wont be any first party games but there are a couple 3rd party games that have been announced in some capacity that are basically still *lightyears* away
I sort of wonder if there would be two SKUs from both console makers. One for the generic consumer, and one for the hardcore audience. It feels strange that every other industry will kinda do this at launch, but console manufacturers do not do this. Even Nvidia launched 2080 and 2080TI, or how mobile phones get constantly replaced on a yearly basis. Heck even TVs launch with 4-6 different SKUs. I know consoles are "just" for gaming, but I kinda wish they would just go all out on these. Cause if we're getting another laptop CPU tier consoles, oh boy, that is not going to be fun in 2019/2020
The "hardcore audience" does not offer enough money to support a separate SKU.
To be more exact, the "hardcore audience" is smaller than you think because the PC gamer market siphons off those who ended up dissatisfied with console performance. So you end up with only those who both want more powerful consoles AND don't want to game on PCs. That shrinks the numbers significantly.
And to make it worse, since the money is in the software, Sony and Microsoft really don't get more money from a hardcore person than a normal person. Selling a more expensive console doesn't bring in more money overall than selling a normal $399 machine to the same person.
Announce it a couple days b4 Christmas and they might be all right.
Sorry team 2019, think I'm (back on) team 2020. I call 'em as I see 'em. While 2019 remains theoretically possible (never say never until February ends), it's looking more likely to me that late 2020 is going to be the launch point for both Sony and Microsoft.
It's going to be a long two years and a relatively barren E3 2019 (how many NG games get shown this time?), but there's plenty still to be excited about (and, oh, my backlog!).
I hope the hardware & software teams take full advantage of the time they have left - if the two year hardware lock remains accurate, I guess they just finished design work huh?
It's going to be a long two years and a relatively barren E3 2019 (how many NG games get shown this time?), but there's plenty still to be excited about (and, oh, my backlog!).
I hope the hardware & software teams take full advantage of the time they have left - if the two year hardware lock remains accurate, I guess they just finished design work huh?
The current PSVR uses OLED. There's no reason to believe the next version would use anything else.
Thank you for sharing that!
Personally I'd love 2020. More time to be developed. Would love for a tie into the Ps2's 20th anniversary which will be October 2020 for US.
It would be better to do a switch style January event for an April or May release. No reason to affect retailer sales of ps4.
Remember a lot of holiday return periods end around the first week of January so they'd get a lot of returns potentially if they did it in December
I get the leaning toward 2020 from those citing a lack of leaks etc.
However if this was backed by a roadmap of games extending into 2020 i could get on board with it.
This is the only time I can recall (which i am happy to be corrected on) where the roadmap for games literally drops off a cliff 6-12 months from now. And even then that slate is relatively small.
Its also such a long time, 2 years! The momentum will have really slowed by then on the current gen and frustrations around its capabilities for the hardcore will be abound. I mean, can it really get any better than RDR2!?
I just get the feeling that because no one is coming out to say definitely it isn't next year (because they won't want to harm xmas sales for this gen by saying it is next year, also not wanting the PR blowback by suddenly announcing Feb after denying its on the horizon) means the silence speaks volumes to me.
Probably wrong, nothing to back this up, just looking at the pieces and trying to read the runes.
However if this was backed by a roadmap of games extending into 2020 i could get on board with it.
This is the only time I can recall (which i am happy to be corrected on) where the roadmap for games literally drops off a cliff 6-12 months from now. And even then that slate is relatively small.
Its also such a long time, 2 years! The momentum will have really slowed by then on the current gen and frustrations around its capabilities for the hardcore will be abound. I mean, can it really get any better than RDR2!?
I just get the feeling that because no one is coming out to say definitely it isn't next year (because they won't want to harm xmas sales for this gen by saying it is next year, also not wanting the PR blowback by suddenly announcing Feb after denying its on the horizon) means the silence speaks volumes to me.
Probably wrong, nothing to back this up, just looking at the pieces and trying to read the runes.