Let's not assume much about ipc gain in rdna 2 before we have some legit benchmarks, for example amd also claims ipc gain for vega https://www.anandtech.com/show/11002/the-amd-vega-gpu-architecture-teaser/2
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PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?
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Oh yeah, there were plenty that were better on the Spectrum. I was just regressing to childhood. I'll stop derailing now :)
And this is what GithHub believers told us, and that Cerny lied.
Now they are saying, "yes, I always knew it was RDNA 2" but without VRS or RT because reasons.
I think it's time for me to stop hitting my head off a brick wall trying to convince some people in this thread.
Cannot wait for the reveal! There will be more crow to be served.
I think you're making a misrepresentation of the argument there it's got to be said. I think most people who think the Github leak was representative of the PS5 (I do, for the record) would also tell you that the leaked repo was missing a great deal of context and information.
Anyone who tried to claim that Mark Cerny was lying outright was never arguing in good faith.
Oh damn sweet. RDNA2 is an impressive beast. Much more than I could've ever hoped for.
I have to be honest here and say that I did not expect AMD to step up their game this much (looking back from 1-2 years ago). This bodes very well for high powered gaming consoles which I thought were hard to pull off giving the power consumption limitations a console normally comes with, but RDNA should make it easily possible.
It was always the part I struggled with when I looked at the 5700 XT power consumption and imagined a console with much more performance than that, but it makes sense when you factor in that consoles are going to have RDNA2.
Really cool to see
I have to be honest here and say that I did not expect AMD to step up their game this much (looking back from 1-2 years ago). This bodes very well for high powered gaming consoles which I thought were hard to pull off giving the power consumption limitations a console normally comes with, but RDNA should make it easily possible.
It was always the part I struggled with when I looked at the 5700 XT power consumption and imagined a console with much more performance than that, but it makes sense when you factor in that consoles are going to have RDNA2.
Really cool to see
13F8 was Navi 10 Lite indeed, 13F9 is a new ID and you must have seen the question mark in the tweet of KOMACHI which indicates to me that this was speculative. Somebody told me (I never saw it myself) that it was corrected by KOMACHI to "unknown" in a later tweet.lol
Baseless Next Generation Rumors with no Technical Merits [post E3 2019, pre GDC 2020] [XBSX, PS5]
I don't see how any third party dev would be privy to any changes to the hardware regarding cooling. Yes they will obviously have performance targets and so forth but I get very sceptical when they start talking about design decision that only the hardware guys at AMD and Sony would know. Even...forum.beyond3d.com
Here Oberon is link to Flute and a PCI ID use for Navi10 Lite.
ZEN2 8c/16t with NAVI GPU Spotted - AMD Console chip?
Twitter user Komachi has stumbled into a quite remarkable finding, actually, he might have stumbled into the pending Xbox (XBox Scarlett) APU. According to the leaked info, this is a Zen 2 architect...www.guru3d.com
Also thank you to link the Beyond3D post, which underlines that Oberon/Flute is PS5 and perfectly lines up with Github!
Here is something I want to add to the discussion too (reddit):
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PS5 reddit said:
To me this little tidbit (the bolded part of the quite) is a really good case for Ariel (RDNA1) was upgraded to Oberon (RDNA2) because the improved efficiency would allow 2000 Mhz instead of 1800 Mhz and such a change of architecture would cause a new code name. I always wondered why there was that move from Ariel to Oberon and what triggered it. Now we have the highly likely answer.
This also would explain all the stories posted in here from 3 different Dev Kits and that Dev Kit V2 would further improve performance. And indeed just the change RNDA2 would further increase performance as we just learned yesterday -> another IPC (unknown value) and Perf per Watt (50%) increase:
Alleged PS5 dev kits as far as I remember the discussions about it:
- Silver Tower: which I assume was Vega based
- V-Shape Dev Kit V1: which I assume now was RDNA1 (Ariel) based
- V-Shape Dev Kit V2: which I assume now is RDNA2 (Oberon) based
As many would say "it all adds up now".
Btw, your avatar of shame, my condolences. Really ugly ....
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Saw your edit and the addition of some screenshots of _rogame tweets.
In response to that and because you got them from beyond3D I just want to add this from there too:
Baseless Next Generation Rumors with no Technical Merits [post E3 2019, pre GDC 2020] [XBSX, PS5]
So, The best news of the day that no one is talking about (yet) ... With all the power efficiency gains AMD talked about for their GPU and CPU, a SOC with LockHart's rumored specifications would be in the 22 Watt range. Sure would fit with the Surface product line. Does that sound about right?
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I would highly suggest not throwing around...
... you took the words from my mouth. IPC gains need to be tested before actually talked about. Early GCN had touted IPC gains between the more minute changes, but they were practically invisible at times.
You know...I swear, before that lil clip last week saying the PS5 was RDNA 2 also, Oberon was looked at as Nav10...with vrs and rt turned off for testing.
In that short time where it was just Series X confirmed, I don't think anyone changed tune after Series X was confirmed to have it.
What many have said tho is there is some missing context. That some keep, kept using it was confirmation was wild.
Instead of just trying to interpret the data and keep an open mind.
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I'm not sure what your work intent has to do with biased behavior. It's like the "I have black friends" response to racism claims. One being true doesn't negate the other. It's not targeted just at you by the way it was a series of similar posts back to back from multiple users that made me chuckle. I hope the PS5 isn't 9.2 as well.
Agreed. Intel, Nvidia and AMD are all guilty of presenting optimistic comparison (between their own products and again competitors).
I've been saying this since the Github leak surfaced but people I told this to said I was wrong. I'm glad to see that now that we are having a clearer picture that this is what's becoming the most likely conclusion. I never felt that the Github leak was confirmation of anything final related to the PS5's specs. It didn't align with what insiders were saying about the consoles being close in power and the lack of hardware RT testing results was a big red flag.
They took the time to design a RDNA2 chip without RT and VRS. I find this very suspicious.
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"After" ? It talked about "before".
Maybe you, but I wouldn't say "most people".
I don't know, I come out of work and fucking crazy shit on this thread (more than usual).
I hope you're right but I wish someone can post proof that Oberon was leaked as Navi 10 lite.
We know where mostly of GitHub team come from,PS5 will be +12TF and Klee once again will be right,I would like to read a nice poem after that
I wonder if there was supposed to be a Feb PS5 reveal but they cancelled it before inviting anyone due to coronavirus?
Of course we are, it's Friday.
On next Monday it will again be 9TF, and each day it goes up by 1TF.
We need the infamous "crazy graph" meme back (from PS3/360 era) but for TF not sales numbers ;) Anyone?
Yeah, it's looking good for Doct0r and his bank account, he might not need to give anyone a PS5 at this rate.
This doesn't make any sense. They announced it with a Wired article which led everyone to believe Sony was done with traditional on-stage announcements so how does Corona affect them now? MS announced their TF number and some general info with a blog post.
Nothing stops Sony from doing what they did before in the past.
Unless they have other problems that stem from the virus. Like supply chain problems that make them reconsider launching this year.
Again the theory for Oberon to be RDNA2 is not logic at all. They created not two chips but three physical chip one RDNA 1 Ariel, Another one Oberon RDNA2 without RT and VRS. They did huge modification of the GPU to add RT and VRS. I am not convinced at all.
How kind of you to assume I was trying to start console war BS when I was just poking fun at the thread's general directiom then. Perhaps if you were so easily offended by a simple joke, you should consider if you have a bias yourself :)
No one claimed you can have 2 active games at the same time.
I think this is the best advice, and some I need to take.
We shall hopefully see soon. If Sony cancelled any planned media events I wonder if they plan to announce via state of play?
Coronavirus is only going to get worse, not better. So I can't see them holding a big media event.
Easy. Memes, occasional voting and laughing at ridiculous avatars.
There's a decent amount of games that aren't 4k on the X1X though so this isn't quite true. Some games even run at 1440p30fps on the X1X which would mean performance wise you'd need about 4x the X1X to hit 4k60fps. You'd be able to hit 4k on them but not at 60fps.
Vega does indeed have better IPC than Polaris so they were telling the truth. It's just that Vega doesn't scale well with CUs so you get a big drop off in performance. Most likely Polaris would be the same or even worse.
You're giving far more resourceful advice than most in this thread will take
The virus is affecting manufacturing and logistics in China so if they do another big announcement/event I expect pre-orders to be included and its possible they want to see how it progresses in the Spring. It makes sense for them to do a direct to consumer announcement video thing around E3 time in the summer.
I don't see what other info drop they'd do before then at this point unless its maybe something like crossbuy confirmation.
Indeed. Though speculatively, with what Sony described, it might be possible. Games can expose light 'apps', integrated into the PS5 OS UI, that allow you to do certain things or see certain things from the game, without actually having the game launched - including, potentially, setting up MP games etc. You could possibly, probably, have multiple of those apps running at once.
I think it's pretty obvious what Sony's plan is now that we have a good timeline of exclusives between now and the end of June 2020. Sony simply needs to make sure that these exclusives sell well and although they may work on the PS5, they do not want to damage immediate sales. Don't forget that these games will likely all sell over 10m copies each. Sony may also want to charge a small fee to 'upgrade' these exclusives to PS5, although I do think that this is highly unlikely if Microsoft are pushing backwards and forwards compatibility.
Microsoft do not have any big exclusives over the next year, so have no problems in showing off their new console now and they need to find a way of competing with Sony.
I highly doubt that we will see anything concrete on the PS5 until either June or July 2020.
I also think the PS5 could be delayed until next year and I would not have much of a problem with this.
Microsoft do not have any big exclusives over the next year, so have no problems in showing off their new console now and they need to find a way of competing with Sony.
I highly doubt that we will see anything concrete on the PS5 until either June or July 2020.
I also think the PS5 could be delayed until next year and I would not have much of a problem with this.
The way I see it Sony has practically no reason to push marketing for PS5 yet.
In fact, seeing their lineup for PS4 in the first half of the year, it might actually be in their best interest to make it seem like PS5 doesn't even exist at all.
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