The physical size is not correlated to capacity. They are all the same physical size but they could have different capacities each.
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PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?
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The physical size is not correlated to capacity. They are all the same physical size but they could have different capacities each.
I think this is the Lockhart mobo :o
16gb or 20gb or some other custom configuration !!
It looks so fancy :)
I think this is the Lockhart mobo :o
when is their GDC Live presentation kicking off again?
SMDH. It's not about the number of deaths compared to the flu. COVID19 isn't replacing the flu, its additive. So in addition to all of the flu cases and various other cases that fill up hospital emergency rooms, you think it's no big deal to add a highly contagious virus that can be carried and transmitted without symptoms but also kill a significant number of those with symptoms.
We've already seen what attitudes like yours has done to Italy. People thought it was no big deal, now there aren't enough beds to treat all the critical patients - regardless if they are inflicted with corona or something else.
Corona didn't get so widespread because people were surpressed. It got widespread because factual information was surpressed and nonsensical misinformation was allowed to run rampant. People with misinformation and false "opinions" should definitely be banned.
Could be too. Very hard to know though as the shot has a really bad quality. Maybe on purpose LOL.
I think this is the Lockhart mobo :o
Would give Lockhart a memory range between 10GB and 20GB.
I thought we already knew about the ten memory modules thing? I swear they showed off quick closeups of the APU in a Project Scarlett teaser video and we pieced those together to figure out that there were ten modules arranged around the APU just like they are in that profile picture.
I don't think this is really any new information?
I don't think this is really any new information?
To me it looks very "modular" so perhaps Microsoft uses the same motherboard for both Lockhart and XSX but the actual RAM and SOC are on a "module" so they can use the same motherboard for both.
That doesn't make much sense to me. Other components on the motherboard would differ greatly between the two consoles (differing USB ports or outputs) and differing VRMs due to the difference in power draw for example. It looks to me like it has a cooler that covers both the SoC and GDDR6 modules with one unit.
remember that based on the E3 trailer MS are mixing different ram size modules and windows central reported Xbox anaconda (series X) is using 16GB of memory overall.
Yea based on the E3 trailer, nice to have a reconfirmation of the guesses though
16 gb would be a little disappointing after 12gb x. I hope its 20gh minimum. 4 for os 16gb for games.
WC said 13GB for games, 3 for OS, that would hopefully be enough thanks to the SSD.
Yeah I'm no tech guy so I hope it's enough. I just think it's nice to have a little extra headroom for high res textures. Maybe the vrs frees up memory requirements.
I don't think VRS will change memory usage. 16GB should be plenty, SSDs will help with reducing the amount of data needed in memory.
No, not with a 320-bit bus!
Maybe it is Lockhart. SOC seems slightly slimmer than the XSX chip to me. Hard to tell because of the image quality. Also no 8K marker to see. I think XSX chip would have that.
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It doesn't fit with your prediction ? So it must be Lockhart ? With a 380mm² die size ?
Daily reminder that storage speed does not replace RAM quantity. 13GB for the next 7 years sounds like a terrific idea.
It doesnt but it can reduce the amount of assets that need to be cached because you can stream them faster.
It doesn't, but the faster the SSD, the more you can keep the data in the ram relevant per frame, and thus use more of the ram.
You need a better memory. And I have no measurement for that picture or did somebody post one?
PS5 and Xbox Series speculation |OT11| Cry Havoc and Let Slip the Dogs of War [NEW NEWS, NEW THREAD - CHECK OUT THE STAFF POST]
Time to provide my last prediction LOL While I did not have to change anything on the Xbox side (Spec now confirmed for TFs) it is my final prediction for Sony PS5 now. Have fun ... Edit: Both will use a 7nm node for manufacturing the chips. Not 7nm+!
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Well 380mm² is under your min range 381mm² ;-)You need a better memory.
PS5 and Xbox Series speculation |OT11| Cry Havoc and Let Slip the Dogs of War [NEW NEWS, NEW THREAD - CHECK OUT THE STAFF POST]
Time to provide my last prediction LOL While I did not have to change anything on the Xbox side (Spec now confirmed for TFs) it is my final prediction for Sony PS5 now. Have fun ... Edit: Both will use a 7nm node for manufacturing the chips. Not 7nm+!
What's the matter then with this SOC ? The lack of 8K printing ?
What would be the point of lockhart being 380mm^2? that would just make it really hard to release it at a low price. I am pretty sure its the Series X. Its possible the calculations of the previous image were too big because of the image being at an angle, this time the image is from the top so the calculations should be more accurate.
Its from phil's twitter, its xbox.
How about Lockhart with a 320-bit bus with 16 GB (12 Gbps chips) and Series X a 384-bit bus with 24 GB (16 Gbps chips).
380 is almost within my original estimate of XSX chip based off initial calculations.
Again, did anybody measure the chip on the new image?
And yes I was guessing based on the absent 8K marker.
And I said "could be". Means I am not sure. Though have a tendency.
Do you know what the "~" sign stands for? You should actually. Only 1 mm^2 difference to the real chip would be amazing ... if it is really exactly 380mm^2.
Doubt, the windows central leak has been accurate so far, both will probably be using 320bit bus, Series X with 6 chips of 2GB and 4 chips of 1GB, both chip modules at 14Gbps, while lockhart will be 2 chips of 2GB and 8 chips of 1GB, but slower chips.
the lack of the 8K marker might just be attributed to poor image quality.
I mean, the 8k "capabilities" for both next-gen games is more marketing than anything anyway. A marker doesn't change anything in that regard :)
the question was on whether this was the Series X chip, which had an 8K marker in the previous image. This chip is too large to be lockhart, thats for sure, unless if lockhart is even more expensive than $400.
Xbox Series X chip size estimation
Your recall is correct. Some folks didn't trust that video and consistently treated it as unconfirmed. Now it seems its info of a 320-bit bus and a ~380mm^2+ SOC are proven correct. Which was relatively predictable, given that it came straight from Microsoft.
The video even has specific RAM module part numbers visible. From that, a total of 16GB and a max bandwidth of 560 GB/s are very strongly suggested. (The speed also matches to GitHub data.) Here's my post from last June giving the evidence.
Facts. But these ain't current-gen assets anymore. The storage got faster but the assets also got bigger. When sub 500$ gaming PC's are already packing 24GB of combined RAM at the moment, I consider 16GB usable to be the absolute minimum for the next 7 years or so, regardless of how fast the storage is.
Yeah but how much of that 24GB of combined ram is actually graphic ram?.
So I'll ask you this, do you think that lockhart's APU could be a 380 mm^2 chip? A reminder that this console is supposed to be of a entry price, or are you going to suggest that lockhart is using the same chip as xbox Series X but clocked down to hell?
For match a 13 GB configuration for game on PC you will need probably 16 GB of DDR4 and 10/11 GB of GDDR6. The memory is unified on consoles. On PC there is some duplication between main RAM and VRAM.
With a fast SSD probably 3.75 GB/s, this is enough for 4k gaming. The SSD is 93 faster than the slow 2.5 HDD in Xbox On nearly two order of magnitude faster, it changes everything.
Where does the 380mm^2 come from? Has anyone measured it already?
(Chip on the new image)
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