Interesting, I think he just explained what the Github tests are.
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PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?
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Interesting, I think he just explained what the Github tests are.
There is no way Microsoft has an exclusive on the term RDNA2......I mean it's all over AMDs graphics cards and roadmaps now.
This is not correct. 50% gain is in performance per watt, that doesn't change the TF measurement. Though there may be IPC gains we have no idea what those are yet, and they will be the same for both Microsoft and Sony since they are both using RDNA2.
RDNA 2 is heavily implied to be used on both consoles as the "common architecture" of next gen consoles
RDNA 2 has an IPC increase over RDNA 1
RDNA 2 has 50% performance per Watt increase.
that's pretty much it.
So, we now know why Sony delayed their console. It was because they were going with tech that was not going to be available in time for a 2019 launch.
1. They were looking to have a cheaper priced console.
2. They have other things on their plate that they are looking and investing in, like VR.
3. No one would go for a bigger chip that is more expensive to manufacture and then follow that with a procedure that would see yield tank thereby driving up costs.
If Sony does end up having a console that is 9.2TF or less, then the reasons may be
1. They were looking to have a cheaper priced console.
2. They have other things on their plate that they are looking and investing in, like VR.
3. No one would go for a bigger chip that is more expensive to manufacture and then follow that with a procedure that would see yield tank thereby driving up costs.
Your result should tell you that you've made an incorrect assumption somewhere. You're describing an XSX that has the power envelope of an Xbox One S, but for some reason MS built it into an enormous tower.
14 tflops might be improbable, but its the only explanation. both sony and ms went wide and slow, sony then got some fancy cooling solution and were able to clock a bit higher than MS. 13-14 tflops.
if anything, this proves that MS has a lot of headroom to increase clocks. they dont have to settle for 12 tflops. they should be around 13 tflops by the time the consoles launch.
Same point. If you were right, there'd be no reason to settle at 12TF for the kind of all-out, premium device XSX is supposed to represent in contrast to Lockhart. They'd just be leaving hundreds of MHz on the table. The fact that your calculations don't at all match the market strategy shown so far should give you pause.
This is correct, though there may be some IPC improvements they will not change any of the clocks, shader engines, CUs, etc...
This is exactly what I hoped to hear.
AMD are trying to pull a Zen on the GPU market, which is amazing. They will have a tougher competition with NVidia though.
What is miles away from rumors? The recent rumor said RDNA 2 has 50% IPC increase over RDNA1 and people just doubted it few days ago. It is just confirmed now with exact number.
In fact, there is even more than just that:
PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?
Oh really? Then that would make me rate 1 equally likely as 2.
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There's IPC increases, also the massive improvement to performance per watt means they can go for higher performance targets.
They are referring to the rumors that MS will announce FM8 and RDNA 2 exclusivity which turned out to be a fake as expected.What is miles away from rumors? The recent rumor said RDNA 2 has 50% IPC increase over RDNA1 and people just doubted it few days ago. It is just confirmed now with exact number.
In fact, there is even more than just that:
PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?
Oh really? Then that would make me rate 1 equally likely as 2.
Microsoft co-developed Xbox chips with AMD. This is the same thing that Sony does when they are making semi custom chips for their console.
There i absolutely no one that has full exclusivity to an entire product line.
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This is very interesting. AMD changed the whole testing process. They are testing the silicon in hours/days and not in weeks/months like in the past thanks to their simulations.
What? Xbox one s is only 55w during gameplay for the entire console. Here the gpu alone is 97w and the apu will likely by 130-150w. That's a 200w console. 4x more power consumption than the Xbox one s while playing sunset overdrive.
Xbox One S Power Consumption Test - Nerdburglars Gaming
Xbox One s power consumption test to see how much energy the game console consumes. Total wattage measurement in game to see if the xbox is energy efficient
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And I literally said they won't be settling for 12 tflops.
But.. modiz where does this leave the Oberon CU count? From what I gathered.. the tests didnt confirm if those were the full CU count or not, so those saying 13TF are assuming 36-40CU at 2.0Ghz with RDNA2?
Does the possibility still exist that Oberon did not have the full CU count and could be higher? Or do we not know? Or we cant know until Sony tells us CUs/Clock etc?
I gave up on trying to find logic between all the rumors, either jason/DF whatever leak it all or let Sony do it. The fact that they were testing on 2000mhz doesn't mean oberon B0 also had the final TDP target.
personally I still think it'll be over 10TF, and especially now that RDNA 2 has an additional IPC increase over RDNA 1 (I saw anex saying 15% earlier but I am not sure where it's from, 15% will be an amazing improvement, add that to the 30% improvement from RDNA 1 to Polaris, and you get pretty much 50% better performance per flop when compared to polaris, amazing!), it means that the console would be very capable.
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What? Xbox one s is only 55w during gameplay for the entire console. Here the gpu alone is 97w and the apu will likely by 130-150w. That's a 200w console. 4x more power consumption than the Xbox one s while playing sunset overdrive.
Xbox One S Power Consumption Test - Nerdburglars Gaming
Xbox One s power consumption test to see how much energy the game console consumes. Total wattage measurement in game to see if the xbox is energy efficientnerdburglars.net
And I literally said they won't be settling for 12 tflops.
I thought you were talking rated watts, not power at the wall, but the point stands. An Xbox One X can draw 170W+ at the wall. So you think MS has gone all out to build a massive tower that will draw 150W GPU + CPU, maybe a bit more than XB1X overall? Doesn't seem to justify the increased overall volume and presumably cooling capacity.
The Xbox One X Review: Putting A Spotlight On Gaming
Edit, misread your post somewhat.
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Wait, you think the public in general actually look for teraflops to know what console to buy?
So I expect the ps5 to come out slightly higher and then MS at E3 (or whatever) announces the increased the clock speeds and are the most powerful console on the market. Got Sony in a bind.
No but they hear from their misinformed friends who read misinformed articles on clickbaity sites.
So why does RDNA2 disprove the GitHub stuff?
To be fair didn't the 1X use quite a fancy cooling system itself? Maybe that was quite expensive so they decided the more economical way to go would be to just make it a tower?I thought you were talking rated watts, not power at the wall, but the point stands. An Xbox One X can draw 170W+ at the wall. So you think MS has gone all out to build a massive tower that will draw 150W GPU + CPU, maybe a bit more than XB1X overall? Doesn't seem to justify the increased overall volume and presumably cooling capacity.
The Xbox One X Review: Putting A Spotlight On Gaming
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Edit, misread your post somewhat.
Maybe, I guess that's possible. Just seems odd to me to conclude that MS built a big tower and a two console strategy so they could leave 100-200MHz on the table with their "beast " machine. Easiest conclusion is that the power numbers aren't quite as favorable as Aegon thinks.
And that's not a dig, he had 56 CUs for Arden months ago and had been more right than 95% of this thread. Hopefully he's right and MS turns it up to 14!
This makes complete sense, thanks for your input.
V excited for next gen.
This is literally the first thing I speculated in these threads, and I immediately was told how unlikely that would be.
Looks likely that my initial speculation was correct.
Is there somewhere I can read Matt and Klees actual comments, not other people saying what they've said. Just so I can get my own take.
Also, I'm so happy I've never even glanced eyes on the github stuff. It looks to have caused a serious kerfuffle lol.
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I just don't think that a July reveal would be that bad ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Main issue has been the lack of games releases during this first couple of months, but soon we're getting Nioh2 , RE3, FF7, TloU2, GoT etc and that's a great way to say goodbye to the PS4 and right after that get full onto the PS5 hype, and it's launch games, both exclusive and third part
Does it, reslly? Does it?
Compared to 9TF, GitHub, 36CU...14TF gets posted "a lot"?
It really doesn't
Edit: It's clearly 11-12RF
That's up to developers.
But yeah, even with 9TFlops you can get 4K, not at 60fps with max settings tho. It depends on the game engine, how talented are the devs etc.
Thanks for this, thanks for breaking down the actual evidence we have right now.
This is what I have been seeing a lot of too. I've never even looked at github, but reading these last few pages I'm seeing a lot of evidence to backup github not kill it...yet there is a lot of github is dead.
I was in the, no way its 2000mhz camp but after today I'll hold up my hands and say I can now see how that's possible.
'I know I'm 10 pages old - but I only meant, those efficiencies May not be linked to functional blocks - if either Sony or ms are pulling RDNA2 features in a mainly rdna1 chip (like they have with precious chips), then they may not see full efficiency gains. Hopefully both are simply taking rdna2 wholesale but both will be semi-custom so no real way to know completely. I'm sure power efficiency gains would be interesting to them though
'this time last year we were saying the same about Sony and AMD. Both will have worked on this with AMD. My guess is most likely that was in reference to ray tracing and DXR in particular. AMD comig out late with RT and they'll need to support DXR for pc gpus. Makes sense to work with MS as early as possible To co-develop the RT hardware to be efficient when used in a DXR environment
How do we know it's 13.8TF...? The one guy who said that BGs and then he said it was a joke.
I see. Thanks. Seeing guys throw 13TF as a possible spec .. very exciting times. I will be happy with 12.. or more.
The reference to co-development with MS was to the DX api they were demo-ing after the presentation, not rdna2 wholesale. Of course, I'm sure when developing archs they take input from partners, and certainly when they're developing custom SoCs. But that 'co-developed' bit referenced in the presentation was just about DX stuff.
I don't think anyone doubted 2GHz clock speed after a while; the doubt comes from 36CU. With PS5 seemingly being RDNA2 (no 40CU limit), having RT, allegedly supporting VRS and Oberon being associated with Navi 10 Lite by both _rogame and Komachi is where github falls apart. The only reason we think Oberon/Ariel/Flute is PS5 in the first place is because Komachi guessed it was PS5 (not being sure themselves) the same way Komachi guessed that Oberon/Ariel/Flute are Navi 10 Lite.
Needless to say, with PS5 practically being confirmed to be RDNA2, where does the Navi 10 Lite APU come into play? RDNA2 is Navi 2x.
You guys have to end this persecution complex after months of "Phil never said 12TF Navi" talk.
I'm so glad I dont use twitter, it looks like a sess pit.
So happy we got confirmation of RDNA2 for both, it always made the most sense. Anyone still thinking its RDNA 1 is silly.
Glad sony hasn't using a custom raytracing design, as it just never seemed to make sense from a cost and development approach in today's market.
Sony please bring us the facts now.
So happy we got confirmation of RDNA2 for both, it always made the most sense. Anyone still thinking its RDNA 1 is silly.
Glad sony hasn't using a custom raytracing design, as it just never seemed to make sense from a cost and development approach in today's market.
Sony please bring us the facts now.
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