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Hmm 13 TF is 8% better than 12
Klee vindicated?
Next gen gonna be lit
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Hmm 13 TF is 8% better than 12
Klee vindicated?
Next gen gonna be lit
Wouldn't be much of a discussion thread without the discussion, and discussions usually lead to disagreements. Just enjoy the ride.
Won't be lit for the xbox guys who have an 8% weaker system. :'(
It don't matter it performers better when it comes to marketing 9.2 is less than 10.7 .
Numbers are the easiest thing for the mass market to understand .
This giving flash back to when people thought MS or Jason was talking about something other than hard numbers.
Why won't it ?
The systems being 8% TF apart not going to mean anything no matter who stronger .
We are talking a few frames and maybe not even then depending on other aspects .
No, they still lit...and I think MS may be lowballing to have a final clock surprise
Reality is that both machines will be beastly and really close
I'm just joking, I think they'll be great too. But I do find it funny how PS is always apparently faster than Xbox. I just have to poke fun when it I see it.
Lockhart is gonna be interesting since MS is all about them flops now. It has less tittyflops despite performing on par (and better than due to new techniques) with the One X. But because they chose to tout the floppage of the SX, they can't do the same of the SS. Will be interesting to see how they handle the narrative
"Fortunately, we have a product for people who can't afford to pay $499, it's called the Xbox Series S"
Please don't hurt me, it was a joke
It ain't going to be 56 CUs at 2 Ghz. Not for a reasonable price.
Much more likely to be 54 CUs at 1.8 Ghz (i.e., 12.44 TFs). 3 SEs with 18 CUs each makes hardware-based bc feasible as well (just disable 1 SE).
That would make sense as well because insiders were saying that there was practically no difference in raw power between the 2 consoles.
Much more likely to be 54 CUs at 1.8 Ghz (i.e., 12.44 TFs). 3 SEs with 18 CUs each makes hardware-based bc feasible as well (just disable 1 SE).
That would make sense as well because insiders were saying that there was practically no difference in raw power between the 2 consoles.
You might be joking.....but that rumor about Sony trying you expand the platform.
Could it be possible we see hybrid, handheld devices from MS and/or Sony?
Klee has been vindicated if certain...
But this thread moved really fast..
wheres confirmation PS5 is 13TF and Xbox is clocked at a lower Mhz than PS5?
54 CUs*64 Streaming Processors per CU*2 Operations Per Streaming Processor per Cycle*1.8 Ghz*0.001 flops to teraflops units adjustment =12.44 TFs
I hope the machines are nearly identical.
Same TFs, same clock speeds, same RAM. The less we hear about the power difference between the consoles, the better.
Same TFs, same clock speeds, same RAM. The less we hear about the power difference between the consoles, the better.
We had a individuals saying the XSX was GCN numbers. So yes, people will be discounting the PS5 numbers!
Mass market doesn't care about hardware specs and they dont know or care what stadia is. No one will take notice at the 12 stadia users bragging about the platform.
Cloud hardware is adaptable anyway so specs don't matter in the same way.
They are going to be near identical raw powerwise...I think it will come down to customizations for specific goals they are trying to achieve (i.e., Sony with VR; MS with high FPS and cloud-based distributed computing)
The difference between xbox one and xbox one s.
Which Klee approximated for the difference between ps5 and xsx.
Benji's sources must have had white papers.. so did Klee. While the dev kit revions didn't always match that, devs knew, much like the 1.84TF confirmation in 2012 that Sony were targeting thise specs.
Sony.... just show us already!
Well, it is the circle of life.
This is what a 12TFlops machine is capable of in real time. Let's see if PS5 hits that mark too
Cool. Thanks.
I thought they were talking about some new confirmed stuff. lol
We did get a bunch of new stuff. Mainly confirmation of rdna2 for both ps5 and xsx.
And rdna2 being a 50% improvement on performance per watt.
I see. And yet I see some people speculating that PS5 could be using RDNA1 with some RDNA2 features.
But I agree. What came today from AMD conference sounds like both XSX and PS5 are RDNA 2.
This made me chuckle more than it should have.
On topic, why are people so resistant to the idea of PS5 being RDNA 2.0 when its clear thats obviously what it is?
13 TF comes from Benji last year. He leaked it from a source, but later took the tweet down because it was so high he didn't believe it
13 TF being 8% better than 12 is also consistent with Klee saying PS5 was slightly more powerful and that MS revealing 12 TF didn't change anything
Thats what I'd like to know..
Also.. how we know for certain Xbox is clocked at a lower clock speed? What are the CU counts for both?
I see... but...are we assuming Series X and PS5 uses the same GPU but at varying clockspeed?
RDNA 2 for PS5.
RDNA 2 has a 50% increase performance per watt compared to RDNA.
There ya go.
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Last 10 pages were fascinating, can any of you kind souls point me towards something (other than ro_game) which says Oberon is NAVI 10?
Both Ariel and Oberon are iGPUs, if they were based on same architecture aka RDNA1 and Oberon is an evolution of Ariel, then why the need for name change? Why not name Oberon A0 as Ariel C0 instead?
Things still don't add up for me, name change implies a big shift, unless someone can provide evidence of Oberon being a NAVI 10.
Both Ariel and Oberon are iGPUs, if they were based on same architecture aka RDNA1 and Oberon is an evolution of Ariel, then why the need for name change? Why not name Oberon A0 as Ariel C0 instead?
Things still don't add up for me, name change implies a big shift, unless someone can provide evidence of Oberon being a NAVI 10.
Well, we know for a fact both are on RDNA2 and 12-14TF doesn't sound all that ridiculous now that AMD revealed 50% energy efficiency gains with RDNA2
CUs and clocks could vary for both, but they will end up very close
Could be 54 CU at 1.89ghz or so. 🤔
They're both custom gpus. It's very likely that Xbox landed at 56 CU. So they could still up the clock and beat PS5 if that ends up being 54 CU like some of us think.
I see. Well.. let the 8TF nonsense die now... and quite frankly.. I'm hoping admin pays close attention to those that want to go back to saying RDNA1... or day I say it... Vega CGN again.
I suppose that is possible on MS's side. But what if...They are relying on a single fan design and they wanted the safest, most efficient way to cool it. And that is to go 56CU at a lower clock speed, but at the same time, get chips that cant handle a clock speed thats way more than what it starts at. (if it's at 1.7Ghz... they know it cant get to 2.0ghz)
I'm expecting the PS5 to be louder... but MS has been saying day 1 "12TF in a very cool box, very low audio profile" not exact words. But it's how they have been marketing Series S since last years reveal. That it is quiet as hell. I'm expecting silence from it.
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From the 46th minute. They talked about how they put their simulation to test chips. A lot of what he said reminded me of what I've seen from the Github leak.
The very best scenario from my perspective is that the two are both very capable, but that each has some unique characteristics that the other can't match. Sure, obsessive warriors will try to argue about which aspects are the most important, but the sane among us can enjoy meaningful exclusives that showcase the two designs rather than buying the same box twice with artificial ties to disjoint marketplaces.
Sounds like this would have made pre emptive BC tests reasonable instead of too expensive. But I may be misunderstanding too.
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