It's clear from the fact they all keep saying that such a cut will trickle down to the consumer yet only one instant of that has been seen so far with Metro. Where's this effect? Where are the consumer savings because the devs is making more money per dollar on EGS?Ofcourse it's absent. It's inconvenient to their PR talking points about "thedeveloperpublisher cut"
This is about corporate or personal self interest and shilling a narrative, not a good faith discussion or debate.
Say what you will about the man, but Randy is absolutely correct about this point. Epic is far more profits-driven than Valve ever has been because of what lies above them in the shareholders, and it wouldn't surprise me to see the Epic Game Store grow by leaps and bounds out of an effort to increase their valuation.
The mire of game exclusivity aside, if Steam is the baseline example that they are attempting to emulate in terms of feature set, I can believe that Epic will be meeting that baseline as quickly as possible.
I think OP's are supposed to be more unbiased, else you're just pushing discussion down your preferred path.
Well no, I personally think it's ridiculous that of all things that you could get riled up about in this industry, it's about the EGS.
Competition in the market is a good thing, Valve has droooopppppeeed the ball in terms of making their store front quality, they opened the floodgates to bullshit and they don't currently deserve the monopoly they have (or had).
The EGS having exclusive games doesn't mean you have to buy a new PC, you just download a new client.
It's annoying, sure, but the out of proportion reaction to the EGS is precisely why nobody treats gaming communities seriously, it's up there with "SJW's ruining Battlefield 3."
Your arguments for are flawed though when you ignore genuine issues raised in favour of pushing the premise that it is "just another launcher" and claiming competition is good despite no competition being had. How is taking a game off all other stores allowing for competition? How is that even classified as competition when it's a one person race?Well no, I personally think it's ridiculous that of all things that you could get riled up about in this industry, it's about the EGS.
Competition in the market is a good thing, Valve has droooopppppeeed the ball in terms of making their store front quality, they opened the floodgates to bullshit and they don't currently deserve the monopoly they have (or had).
The EGS having exclusive games doesn't mean you have to buy a new PC, you just download a new client.
It's annoying, sure, but the out of proportion reaction to the EGS is precisely why nobody treats gaming communities seriously, it's up there with "SJW's ruining Battlefield 3."
Well no, I personally think it's ridiculous that of all things that you could get riled up about in this industry, it's about the EGS.
Competition in the market is a good thing, Valve has droooopppppeeed the ball in terms of making their store front quality, they opened the floodgates to bullshit and they don't currently deserve the monopoly they have (or had).
The EGS having exclusive games doesn't mean you have to buy a new PC, you just download a new client.
It's annoying, sure, but the out of proportion reaction to the EGS is precisely why nobody treats gaming communities seriously, it's up there with "SJW's ruining Battlefield 3."
He comes from an educated perspective on this and I would agree with him that it is good. Hearing it come from people who release games gives it a lot more weight than consumers.
An aside, but I'm glad to see someone else bring up the split for MTX creators as a Valve criticism, it pretty much never gets brought up.
I hear this argument so much and I don't understand why people are willing to bend over backwards to defend decisions that actively work against their interests as consumers.
Say what you will about the man, but Randy is absolutely correct about this point. Epic is far more profits-driven than Valve ever has been because of what lies above them in the shareholders, and it wouldn't surprise me to see the Epic Game Store grow by leaps and bounds out of an effort to increase their valuation.
The mire of game exclusivity aside, if Steam is the baseline example that they are attempting to emulate in terms of feature set, I can believe that Epic will be meeting that baseline as quickly as possible.
So, during the Berlin TwitchCon last weekend Epic threw a nice party for all Influencers and Business people.
They did spend big bucks on their party and it was objectively pretty epic. And awesome.
On the other hand they spend 0 bucks on the customers because a) they were not allowed to the party and b) Epic didn't even have a booth at the showfloor of the convention for customers and wasn't officially attending.
Those priorities kinda felt like an analogy to their store.
Well, here in America, we had tens of millions of people vote for an awful human being and terrible businessman named Donald Trump, and for many of them, it was because they thought it would be a good idea if he ran America like one of his businesses.
Yeah, that.Do you mean the 70% (iirc) they take on MTX content on games such as Dota 2? If so, I'm with you and it was a central point of the paid mods debacle.
Well Ubisoft is consolitating their games on their own launcher.Why not just say a variation of what he said in his first tweet...that Epic is giving them a bigger cut and has tools to allow crossplay. The fact that this game is coming to Steam 6 months later really invalidates his whole post.
It's one 2K game...this isn't like UbiSoft which is actually removing all its games from Steam and not looking back. These comments from him are extremely over-defensive.
This is probably the worst part of the whole thing, and the one that will resonate more with people to agree with him on ERA.It's encouraging the listener to automatically equate "PC gaming" to "Bleeding-edge AAA gaming that's dependent on profit margins"; just quietly normalising that association - and I'm sure a number of people making the statement don't get that they're treating that association as completely normal and healthy.
He's wrong on all fronts, I'd say.
It's more local currency for us since there's a regional pricing for SEA. But paying in USD means that we are that mercy of exchange rate and it is especially bad when recession or some shit happened.Maybe ask the people actually playing on PC. Or the people where regional pricing was gone (mostly SEA). Or people who want achievements. Or people noticing that all their saves are gone because they dont support cloud saves. Or people who bought keys from outside the store (like around half of DMC5 reviews on Steam showed they got the game outside of Steam). Or or or or.
It's more local currency for us since there's a regional pricing for SEA. But paying in USD means that we are that mercy of exchange rate and it is especially bad when recession or some shit happened.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DuU-bjOqiCsZgXtqN_F3eCdx2CKKOT8_/view?usp=drivesdkAs someone who has not been following Epic Game Store much, can someone explained why EGS is so disliked other than the exclusives thing?
It's clear from the fact they all keep saying that such a cut will trickle down to the consumer yet only one instant of that has been seen so far with Metro. Where's this effect? Where are the consumer savings because the devs is making more money per dollar on EGS?
You can't claim the cut is great for consumers then asterisks it with *in the potential future when developers and publishers feel it necessary to pass on the savings they are now experiencing to customers.
Yeah, that's what I mean, 2K isn't doing that. He is acting like they are changing the world with a 6 months exclusive window. No dude you will still be on Steam and 5 years from now most of your sales will likely be on Steam, because they actually have price cuts and a UI that isn't slightly above Bethesda's terrible launcher.Well Ubisoft is consolitating their games on their own launcher.
Basically they are being paid by Epic to pull an EA and go self launcher.
The Epic store is just a free paycheck and a free excuse.
Yeah, the problem with the store is that their whole sales pitch is, "For the Dev's" which means nothing for consumers. The whole cost ratio thing is between store and dev, its not for me to be concerned about. I dont give a shit about promises of how something will be one day, maybe. As a consumer, the benefit for me should be a high quality and service rich store where i want to invest my money and time in. They dont offer that, and all this crap that they keep saying turns me off of ever wanting to be part of it. Stop talking and show me why i should be using Epic.
They're basing their whole platform around having pitty for developers. They have somehow turned this into some ideological movement and its not. its business. They're exploiting the fact that they know millions of gamers are compulsive consumers who wont wait to buy their games so they can take a bigger chunk. I dont blame them for wanting more money. Consumers need to be more aware and responsible who they choose to do business with. If we did that, none of this would be an issue. Actually compete with steam with services and offer better cuts for devs and consumers. Then your store will be worthwhile for everyone.
As someone who has not been following Epic Game Store much, can someone explained why EGS is so disliked other than the exclusives thing?