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Relic will drop Dawn of War III, focusing on Age of Empires IV and a new title
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Damn, Cheong and Cumming left? Talk about bleeding essential talent
What a fucking joke. Who the hell put this clown in charge of Dawn of War? Couldn't the management see his talents we're beter put elsewhere? Why the hell was he given reins over Dawn of War?
because Relic is now full of managers who don't have a clue about the studios history or fans.
I've had a few dealings with them and I understand that at the end of the day its their game but they arent very receptive to feedback from outside the studio.
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Blind trust at best, nepotism at worst. His main qualifications were in the art department. His wife didn't even have any experience in game industry...
It is rather important to remember that DoW3 didn't just magically fail or got "unlucky", it sold enough copies to begin building the core community. Over 200k in the first month and as much as 400k before monthly/free weekend/deep sales. When you have the executive producer with art-skills, and community manager with fitness coach experience, how likely is it that you are going to build the successful product and community? There were so many bad decisions or inactivity from Relic that it is a must to drill down to the bottom of it to learn from the experience.
CoH2 community is the biggest RTS community on Steam, half of those people were easily interested in DoW3. But Relic has done this many times: they will drop the pool of Beta testers or community members if they see negativity, they will just use another sample to discover the same criticisms. Rinse and repeat until it is time to ship the game which nobody feels passionate about.
Moral of the story is simple: Don't put unqualified people in charge of the key roles.
All I want is a successful CoH3 game and I hope that Sega or CA can step in to shape what is left of Relic into a qualified functional team.
they didnt even beta test DoW3, unless you want to call 4 days spread over 2 weeks just before launch a beta test.
The only reason why AoE 4 is being made, is to push PC gamers into the Windows Store, UWP and Xbox Live ecosysteem. A Steam version is very unlikely, unless PC gamers actually vote with their wallets against AoE DE when it releases exclusively in the Windows Store this month.
I enjoyed the campaign more than the skirmishes in DoW2. The lack of base building was bleh, and the emphasis on trying to preserve your limited units through things like the retreat button didn't really appeal to me. The game did do well with giving combat a heavy weapons feel, and had nice touches like destroyed tanks leaving remains that could be used as cover. Nice visuals too.
Never tried the third game after hearing of the poor reception and not being convinced by gameplay videos. I still play the first game during free time sometimes, so would love a fourth that is related to the first but with updated visuals and a few of the best aspects of the second game.
Age of Empires was the first rts that I really loved, and the second one was amazing. Provided hundreds of hours of entertainment. The third one fell flat badly, and I was so disappointed that I stopped playing after an early campaign mission glitched and wouldn't end even after I completed all the objectives. I hope a fourth AoE does not take after the third.
Never tried the third game after hearing of the poor reception and not being convinced by gameplay videos. I still play the first game during free time sometimes, so would love a fourth that is related to the first but with updated visuals and a few of the best aspects of the second game.
Age of Empires was the first rts that I really loved, and the second one was amazing. Provided hundreds of hours of entertainment. The third one fell flat badly, and I was so disappointed that I stopped playing after an early campaign mission glitched and wouldn't end even after I completed all the objectives. I hope a fourth AoE does not take after the third.
Which is a horrible combo. MOBA elements should never be mixed with standard RTS mechanics.
I mean, heck, we had all those forgotten games from the late '90s who mixed regular RTS with micro-heavy elements. They all failed.
Jost because control schemes have improved since then doesn't mean the idea of mixing micro-heavy and classic blob-based combat is suddenly functional.
If they wanted to make a MOBA game, they should've just made a completely separate RTS game for that genre. Steering 90 degrees with DoW franchise to follow MOBA-style gameplay was a boneheaded decision, losing much of fanbase and new players. If people want to play MOBA game, they can go play free ones.
The same way Uncharted is made only to sell PlayStations and Mario to sell Nintendos. Not sure how this is relevant to the discussion.
This is very relevant to any questions about the AoE games coming to Steam or not.
It wasn't fundamentally any different from the gameplay in DoW2's hero units. Except the cover system being gone, it was actually the better game minus a couple passes and patches. DoW3 is a really unique and cool experience when you actually play it. It definitely deserves better support from Relic and SEGA.