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I am cashing in my once in a lifetime "bump for bottom of page" token....
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You know what the best I could say is that at least this is 4 years old, so one could argue in context it could be worse. I don't know though, that kind of post unmoderated remaining for all to see just sums up my fears here. For all its faults this is the most progressive place I know and frankly I do not trust MOBAfire to keep that up, I don't see how they could and expect a RoI as mentioned in the OP. At the end of the day no one here, not staff or moderators have any control versus MOBAfire.
I do suffer a certain degree of anxiety with the rise of the right, of facism and hate and its apparant popularity, I hate to imagine taking many steps backwards, so excuse the "excitement" here it is real and it is genuine.
Funny you mention that, likely its been mentioned, but I am already upsetting myself by coming back to this discussion as it is so don't want to trawl from where I left off yesterday.
A friend who deleted her account yesterday, had looked at our new sister sites and sent me this link earlier, apparently this kind of thing is allowed to exist within MOBAfire's network unmoderated and remain so for months. that is not a "family" I am comfortable to be with.
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You know what the best I could say is that at least this is 4 years old, so one could argue in context it could be worse. I don't know though, that kind of post unmoderated remaining for all to see just sums up my fears here. For all its faults this is the most progressive place I know and frankly I do not trust MOBAfire to keep that up, I don't see how they could and expect a RoI as mentioned in the OP. At the end of the day no one here, not staff or moderators have any control versus MOBAfire.
I do suffer a certain degree of anxiety with the rise of the right, of facism and hate and its apparant popularity, I hate to imagine taking many steps backwards, so excuse the "excitement" here it is real and it is genuine.
Funny you mention that, likely its been mentioned, but I am already upsetting myself by coming back to this discussion as it is so don't want to trawl from where I left off yesterday.
A friend who deleted her account yesterday, had looked at our new sister sites and sent me this link earlier, apparently this kind of thing is allowed to exist within MOBAfire's network unmoderated and remain so for months. that is not a "family" I am comfortable to be with.
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So, I posted what I posted about being a mod because I care about this community, because I care about this experiment that we actually could create a progressive(ish) gaming/nerd space. I clapped back at one disrespectful post. And then I went to bed.
And then I woke up to this. 10 pages of this.
Being told that I don't respect myself, I don't know any better, I'm actually part of the problem. Apparently I'm actually taking a job from a hypothetical person who would do this for pay?
This has made me feel worse than anything Cerium could have ever done to me or exploited me for.
I'm taking a break for a day.
And then I woke up to this. 10 pages of this.
Being told that I don't respect myself, I don't know any better, I'm actually part of the problem. Apparently I'm actually taking a job from a hypothetical person who would do this for pay?
This has made me feel worse than anything Cerium could have ever done to me or exploited me for.
I'm taking a break for a day.
is this shit gonna start over or is it a lost cause?
bunch of geezer 30yo+ posters
this place is gonna slowly turn into gamefaqs with an open registration
I'm not really understanding why the whole convo here is about mods not getting paid. They're vocal they don't want paid.
anyway if there is a place to go as this devolves into nothing someone shoot me a message because I just wanna read about games and ect bullshit without dealing with most of society that I can't understand or In general can't stand.
the idea that my data was sold irks the hell out of me
bunch of geezer 30yo+ posters
this place is gonna slowly turn into gamefaqs with an open registration
I'm not really understanding why the whole convo here is about mods not getting paid. They're vocal they don't want paid.
anyway if there is a place to go as this devolves into nothing someone shoot me a message because I just wanna read about games and ect bullshit without dealing with most of society that I can't understand or In general can't stand.
the idea that my data was sold irks the hell out of me
The "clear best fit" right here, obviously.Funny you mention that, likely its been mentioned, but I am already upsetting myself by coming back to this discussion as it is..
A friend who deleted her account yesterday, had looked at our new sister sites and sent me this link earlier, apparently this kind of thing is allowed to exist within MOBAfire's network unmoderated and remain so for months. that is not a "family" I am comfortable to be with.
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It sure was reassuring to look into a thread made last year on one of our new sister sites, MMO Champion, only to find this fun little moderation message:
Pelagos and trans representation in Shadowlands
So with Shadowlands World of Warcraft is getting our first transgender character. Pelagos, a Kyrian soulbind, is a transman after having presented as female during his mortal life. I think it's great that WoW is finally getting it's first trans character and I'm glad the developers took time...
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Of course, that wasn't before four pages with charming, unmoderated posts like
There's another thread, on the same topic, on the same forum, with even more awful responses, including the trash OP itself, but i'm not posting any quotes from this one here. All I got out of it was more confirmation that trans identities are a "forbidden topic" over there; great sign!
Yeah, this is quite the norm here, that people do things for free (when it comes to doing things for free where money is involved) is a bad thing to do, EVEN if you do it on your own voalition. People love to smash down on people that can actually do things for free, just because.
So you do you, what you feel is the best, since you have your own needs, agenda and life to live, don't let other people say what is wrong or not when it comes to your own time.
33 hours later, that's a lot of sleep.
If i was given millions of pounds i would stay in bed as well.
Making ads worse just seems like a weird thing to rely on when ad blockers exist.
But like I said, I don't understand this stuff. Maybe you can always expect to get a certain % to view your ads and plan around that.
Yeah the main thing I'd be concerned about is opening the registration floodgates and easing off on moderation to get the maximum people and engagement in here and gradually it just turns into a shithole like most of the rest of the internet.
Whatever plans MOBA has, or will implement, and whether they fail or succeed, I'm 99% certain that it will make things worse.
At best, things will remain the same, for a while.
You're more optimistic than me. :D
I expect like 12 months of status quo as they oversee, plan and prepare, then implementation from there.
Stay up Roy, you've always been a class act. Don't let herbs with unwashed legs get you down.
Best fit! Hours of researching, clearly.
My hasty edit was trying to play "devils advocate" as well since I just know otherwise I would get a hammering for being overly dramatic, but this is my genuine fear. A business wants a return, it wants more people engaged, negativity and hate helps increase that engagement, look at twitter and facebook. I just cannot understand a company without trillions of spare dollars can afford to allow somewhere like ERA to continue as it is, they would need a large increase in eyes on the site.
This essentially.
Basically this. But I don't think it's funny I just don't understand why.
"M.O.B.A. Network sees significant opportunities to increase advertising revenue through a higher share of direct sales, implementation of new ad formats, and a long-term product development strategy."Some info here:
M.O.B.A. Network acquires ResetEra.com - one of the world's largest gaming forums
M.O.B.A. Network has today acquired ResetEra.com, one of the world's largest gaming forum andnews.cision.com
This makes it sound like they're going to make ads more annoying to push paid memberships.
Really well put. Kinda encapsulates my thoughts in one sentence.
That would have been cool if we had done that, could have set up a few causes to benefit from the profits.
Is that really complicated to do?, i imagine it requires lawyers etc to do properly.
There has been a tip button implemented for nearly four years, members could buy the "Era Clear" as a means of "giving back". Except it turns out instead all the proceeds went straight to a millionaire's 2nd Lambo fund.
We were given this information in the press releases from MOBA Network. All expenses (hosting, staff, legal etc.) total around $11,600/month for the last year. Around 20% of the ~$58,300/month the ads and Clear subs bring in. Leaving $46,600/month profit (before tax) for the single stakeholder Mr Cerium.
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My word, Cerium really picked some like minded individuals for our sister sites and no mistake.
I felt a little guilty I posted the link which was 4 years old, as I feared I'd get a monstering for "digging up the past"..... Not any more.
4.5 million, wow, pretty wild. Once MOBA opens this site up so that anyone with an email can join its gonna be run over by GAF chuds and the mods won't be able to stop the flood. This place will look like GAF within months, it was a fun ride but I'm not
Going to migrate wherever this community ends up going, end of an ERA
Going to migrate wherever this community ends up going, end of an ERA
Can even just look at the main page, trans joke taken out of the games (WoW, Hearthstone). 400 lovely comments.
Did his research consist of which Ferrari to spend the money on?
I'll repeat what I asked earlier then; are we going to have a link to those cesspools at the bottom of every page on this forum, like the other sites on this network?
Hopefully this shit won't be plastered at the bottom of every page here like on all the other sites run / acquired by this network.
(screencaps from two seperate sites)
Plastering all your affiliated links at the bottom of every page will increase your google backlink score aka "makes all sites more visible".
I see no technical / financial or SEO reason why they wouldn't include all sites of the network in the footer of every page.
I see no technical / financial or SEO reason why they wouldn't include all sites of the network in the footer of every page.
or this:
"Oh look at all those sister sites which much share the same values as ERA"
or
"Oh look we own RESETera now, I thought that was a hive of SJW snowflakes, I better join there"
So whats the absolute best takeaway from this? That MOBAfire really are as "Hands off" as everyone says so will leave ERA alone to do as they see fit. But then ERA is happy to be part of a network actively and openly homophobic, bigoted and god knows what else.
What would ERA do, blacklist its own sister sites? No wonder the ACTI BLIZZ response was so tepid if this is the kind of readership that was being courted.
Very upsetting.
See my point, so best case, they are hands off.... So ERA is officially fine to be a part of a network which encourages homophobia and bigotry. Would ERA blacklist these sites from discussion.
Not to mention the utter ridiculousness of somehow saying that allowing open bigotry is a good thing that should be lauded as being "allowed to happen".
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You inspired me to look; as a gay dude myself I am also concerned about being attached to a forum that is potentially homophobic, transphobic, racist or misogynistic. I love the community here and I thank that I can talk about games with a community that won't berate my opinions or me because I'm gay.
And well… That thread took me seconds to find on Google.
Yeah, not liking this. How are Era's staff feeling about it?
Yeah.. Its not hard to find. I am not sure of the histories of course, but if MOBAfire has courted these other sites and bought them like ERA for being a "good match for their values" then that sends the signal that MOBAfire are happy with such threads to remain.
Meaning by association ERA matches those same values (or lack thereof as it appears).
Jesus, :(
I also wonder about the opposite : will a link to resetera be added to those websites? I don't know how to feel about this website being advertised on other sites that allow this crap.
What incentive do the mods have t stay on for free instead of just jumping to a new site? where they're not just volunteering for a huge corp?
Just in case you only stumbled onto this thread today here's what's happening.
1. ResetEra was sold to MOBA network. Nothing has effectively changed except for who will be getting the add revenue from now on.
2. Users are complaining that Cerium got money and didn't pay mods. They ask mods to speak up.
3. Most Mods speak up and say that they don't want any money, they'd just like people to be kind to them.
4. People continue to ignore them or outright say that they are wrong for not wanting to be paid. Nothing says kindness like demanding someone's opinion and then dismissing it entirely.
5. Repeat 3. and 4. multiple times.
6. You are here. "Why isn't Cerium responding? We've harassed him and all the mods for 60+ pages... I guess he just doesn't care about us now"
7. Era users continue to be pricks to mods and Cerium, demonstrating why most people who try to moderate this place eventually leave. No matter what anyone tries to do for this community people will hate them and at the end of four years only one person still had the stomach to try to keep running this place.
It says a lot about this this community that we're on page 68 and only about 8 in over 3300 posts asked about Cerium's personal health and/or wished him good health. Most of the responses on this thread are mocking or criticizing Cerium for "selling out" or "not paying mods" (who don't want to be paid, but apparently mods are wrong about their own opinions) and yet there are still some people here howling and asking for a response for him as if his words would "cure" anything rather than serve as an avenue for a new torrent of attacks.
You are damaging the people that keep this site running to the point where they have to retreat to take care of their mental health, yet somehow you still think the problem lies with them or with their practices. This forum is incredibly abusive to any and all moderators. You treat them like enemies then you act surprised when the only way they can speak openly about how they feel is either with sarcastic posts or inside private Discords with other mods.
Some of you are frothing in the mouth for the next screencap or quote that you can use to attack the staff.
Most of you don't even pretend you are.
Some of you don't even wait.
You (and by "You" I am referring to the people harassing and disrespecting Cerium and this site's staff), don't care about any mod's health.
You don't care about Cerium's health.
Drop your pretense.
1. ResetEra was sold to MOBA network. Nothing has effectively changed except for who will be getting the add revenue from now on.
2. Users are complaining that Cerium got money and didn't pay mods. They ask mods to speak up.
3. Most Mods speak up and say that they don't want any money, they'd just like people to be kind to them.
4. People continue to ignore them or outright say that they are wrong for not wanting to be paid. Nothing says kindness like demanding someone's opinion and then dismissing it entirely.
5. Repeat 3. and 4. multiple times.
6. You are here. "Why isn't Cerium responding? We've harassed him and all the mods for 60+ pages... I guess he just doesn't care about us now"
7. Era users continue to be pricks to mods and Cerium, demonstrating why most people who try to moderate this place eventually leave. No matter what anyone tries to do for this community people will hate them and at the end of four years only one person still had the stomach to try to keep running this place.
It says a lot about this this community that we're on page 68 and only about 8 in over 3300 posts asked about Cerium's personal health and/or wished him good health. Most of the responses on this thread are mocking or criticizing Cerium for "selling out" or "not paying mods" (who don't want to be paid, but apparently mods are wrong about their own opinions) and yet there are still some people here howling and asking for a response for him as if his words would "cure" anything rather than serve as an avenue for a new torrent of attacks.
You are damaging the people that keep this site running to the point where they have to retreat to take care of their mental health, yet somehow you still think the problem lies with them or with their practices. This forum is incredibly abusive to any and all moderators. You treat them like enemies then you act surprised when the only way they can speak openly about how they feel is either with sarcastic posts or inside private Discords with other mods.
Some of you are frothing in the mouth for the next screencap or quote that you can use to attack the staff.
Most of you don't even pretend you are.
Some of you don't even wait.
You (and by "You" I am referring to the people harassing and disrespecting Cerium and this site's staff), don't care about any mod's health.
You don't care about Cerium's health.
Drop your pretense.
I'm sure he can get decent mental health care with his 4.5 million dollars.
Have you watched squid game? Having too much money can cause depression too
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"clear best fit"
I'm also curious if Era's staff/team know much detail about these plans for new ad formats, creating growth and synergies with the MOBA Group yet?
news.cision.com
M.O.B.A. Network acquires ResetEra.com - one of the world's largest gaming forums
M.O.B.A. Network has today acquired ResetEra.com, one of the world's largest gaming forum and
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Equivalent to "graphic violence gore"
Truly its like looking in a mirror.
Jesus Christ.
I'm also curious if Era's staff know much detail about these plans for new ad formats, creating growth and synergies with the MOBA Group yet?
M.O.B.A. Network acquires ResetEra.com - one of the world's largest gaming forums
M.O.B.A. Network has today acquired ResetEra.com, one of the world's largest gaming forum and
They said a few pages back that they didn't know. But also they somehow knew they wouldn't impact on the site and moderation, despite not knowing what they are.
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