Nah. I'm not okay with it. I'm also not okay with your toxic approach to mental health.
I don't believe you.
Nah. I'm not okay with it. I'm also not okay with your toxic approach to mental health.
It was definitely brought up in the OTs shortly after the movie came out. Not as much anymore. But I know there are people who had issues with it, even on this board.Of all the complaints I've heard (several of them warranted), this isn't one. Didn't know people had issues with it.
Her obsession with validating herself through her parents and her misguided attempt to redeem Kylo Ren surely rate as character flaws. And since this fanbase is obsessed with video game power levels, also consider that Luke, Snoke, and Kylo are all proven to be stronger in the Force and superior fighters.
Well
We looked past Luke from being a normal farmboy to a good pilot, and jedi knight in the span of two movies.
I feel like there must be a farm somewhere where they're growing new people just to endlessly participate in the same arguments across all three identical Star Wars discussions on this forum at all hours of the day, all at the same time.
She has unearned power, a good director would have had Luke training her, showing her learning her skills and learning something about herself along the way. We didn't need that chase scene, we didn't need the casino, all we needed was a story about Rey and Luke passing the torch through training and discovery of what it means to be a Jedi. Instead we got whatever rush job Johnson wrote. Because...fuck fan boys am I right?
So her biggest flaws are having feels about not knowing her true parents, having hope that someone with conflicting emotions (moreso than Vader no less) would choose to do the right thing, and being briefly seduced by the dark side (before overcoming it quickly)?
Also, didn't she get the best of Luke in that quick bout? AND didn't she rek Kylo in their very first battle the moment she realized she could?
I don't mind the idea of a character who is an unstoppable force prodigy, but not so sure it makes for a compelling lead protagonist. Give me a main character who's arch is more than just a bland hero's journey.
He was trained in the ways of the force for the duration of two movies by TWO mentors. He had highs and lows as a character. He also went through some shit that kinda justified the bad attitude he had to overcome (that'll happen when your uncle and aunt caretakers are murdered, not one but TWO surrogate mentors/father figures also bite the dust, you learn your real dad is the second most evil person in the galaxy, etc). Rey wasn't trained for the duration of even ONE movie. She was just a Jedi master from second one apparently, and has few if any true negative personality traits. Self taught from the get go to be more powerful than Luke, Kylo, etc. What are the stakes?
I mean, I get it - she's a middle finger to men's rights bros. She's strong and got to that point herself. I love what she represents, but from a character development standpoint i don't see what's supposed to be compelling about her beyond being an icon or archetype that hasn't existed in SW until now. Not that Luke was ever a super interesting character either (not until TLJ at least).
That guy is literally replying to someone doing just that. lolThis is one of the many disingenuous tricks defenders of the movie make. In fact this is almost Inception level deflection.
Firstly, nobody complained about Luke's projection power in itself
This is one of the many disingenuous tricks defenders of the movie make. In fact this is almost Inception level deflection.
Firstly, nobody complained about Luke's projection power in itself. They complained that using it made no sense (why not just go to the planet?) and that his death was unsatisfying given how ambiguously it was shot, in terms of why Luke died and whether he knew that was what was going to happen.
Secondly, one of the main complaints about the prequels is that they didn't invent any new Force powers. Yoda and the Emperor should never have demeaned themselves to using lightsabers. The projection ability is new (as far as cinema goes, I've no idea what that book is in the tweets) but it's also boring and seems to offer no benefit over just going to the planet - or even just simply using a hologram.
This is one of the many disingenuous tricks defenders of the movie make. In fact this is almost Inception level deflection.
Firstly, nobody complained about Luke's projection power in itself.
Rian Johnson explains a lot of things away. The "I can't be bothered thinking the rules of my time travel story through so let's break the fourth wall and tell you not to think about it" cafe scene in Looper was an eye roller. He's just not a good writer and it's only because it's Star Wars anyone is fighting his corner.
Rian Johnson explains a lot of things away. The "I can't be bothered thinking the rules of my time travel story through so let's break the fourth wall and tell you not to think about it" cafe scene in Looper was an eye roller. He's just not a good writer and it's only because it's Star Wars anyone is fighting his corner.
That wouldn't have worked better because force projection was set up by the film. You're asking for a weird way one Jedi can take on a bunch of AT-ATs to set-up an arbitrary "better" end when his end works with the theme of the movie (saving what you love so what you love can spread) and for his character (he's never been big on acrobatics or trying to defeat a bunch of enemies). There's literally no reason why this would have made sense since the way he didn't die makes more sense than super jumping all bullets. In fact, the way he made it is so good that it's no wonder he's written award-winning screenplays.
Yeah, like, the movie actually shows us the 'rules' that his time travel has by it happening and not by Bruce Williams taking out a sharpie and drawing graphics on a napkin. His younger self's questions about memory and whatnot are then seen later on and didn't need an exposition scene.For the record, Looper DOES have an internal logic to it's time travel. Rian created rules for himself, and followed those rules. It's not explained in the film because that'd just be a bunch of nonsense exposition, not because the logic isn't there.
I'm surprised to see how many people actually thought Rey/Luke were for fighting for real
Plenty of people did, I've seen a ton of people arguing that the film took too many liberties with force powers. I don't really see how you can say it doesn't provide a benefit, when it saved The Resistance.
Rian Johnson explains a lot of things away. The "I can't be bothered thinking the rules of my time travel story through so let's break the fourth wall and tell you not to think about it" cafe scene in Looper was an eye roller. He's just not a good writer and it's only because it's Star Wars anyone is fighting his corner.
How do you best someone easily when you don't hit them even once, the other person hits you once and is just dodging your attacks and then takes your weapon away and throws it?Let me clarify that obviously they had no intent to kill each other, but it was a sparring match and she bested him easily. Rey's biggest hurdle as a character is pinpointing the right moment to close her eyes and activate god mode in any battle.
Yeah, like, the movie actually shows us the 'rules' that his time travel has by it happening and not by Bruce Williams taking out a sharpie and drawing graphics on a napkin. His younger self's questions about memory and whatnot are then seen later on and didn't need an exposition scene.
Exactly. They could have literally written and taken the movie in any possible direction.
RJ can do whatever the hell he wants its his movie but he decided on the specific direction the movie went in. When people have to bend over backwards trying to explain and justify certain scenes it just shows how sloppily written the movie is.
This is one of the many disingenuous tricks defenders of the movie make. In fact this is almost Inception level deflection.
Firstly, nobody complained about Luke's projection power in itself. They complained that using it made no sense (why not just go to the planet?) .
Exactly. They could have literally written and taken the movie in any possible direction.
RJ can do whatever the hell he wants its his movie but he decided on the specific direction the movie went in. When people have to bend over backwards trying to explain and justify certain scenes it just shows how sloppily written the movie is.
May I ask why?The "I can't be bothered thinking the rules of my time travel story through so let's break the fourth wall and tell you not to think about it" cafe scene in Looper was an eye roller.
So would going there. And that wouldn't have ended up with him him dying. (And yes, it is perfectly reasonable to assume he has some sort of super Force shield that could have achieved the same effect.)
I'm surprised to see how many people actually thought Rey/Luke were for fighting for real
What part are people bending over backwards to defend? Most of the defense of the film is reaaalllyy easy, especially since some of the attacks (since when can Jedi do THIS?) shows a lack of understanding of the prior films.
Fair enough. But why did LS have to die after using his doppelganger skillz.
Nah it's not really any big effort to address most of the things people have issues with. The movie pretty easily explains what's going on and set up a lot of the plot points that happen in the movie.Exactly. They could have literally written and taken the movie in any possible direction.
RJ can do whatever the hell he wants its his movie but he decided on the specific direction the movie went in. When people have to bend over backwards trying to explain and justify certain scenes it just shows how sloppily written the movie is.
This feels like low quality trolling. Most of these aren't scenes that need justifying. Most of these are just gripes about personality or the outcome of a character not being satisfactory. Not about them making no sense.Bombers in space
Superman Leia
Force projecting
Could have come up with better scenarios for each one. The movie is intent on pulling those AHA PSYKE moments at every moment and undermines itself in the process.
AHA you thought Holdo was a cold hearted fool but PSYKE she's a hero.
AHA you thought Leia was done for but PSYKE she's Superman.
AHA you thought Snoke was boss buy PSYKE he ain't shit.
AHA you thought Finn was about to go out on a blaze of glory but PSYKE its not about who you hate, its about who you love.
Because he's Jedi Level 99 and has unlocked all the skill trees, OBVIOUSLY.
Can you at least acknowledge that "training" has been a major theme in all the previous movies before episode VIII?Because he's Jedi Level 99 and has unlocked all the skill trees, OBVIOUSLY.
Can you at least acknowledge that "training" has been a major theme in all the previous movies before episode VIII?
How do you best someone easily when you don't hit them even once, the other person hits you once and is just dodging your attacks and then takes your weapon away and throws it?
Well you're kind of mocking the whole idea with your posts, equating anyone talking about it to a gamer obsessed with leveling up.
Let me clarify that obviously they had no intent to kill each other, but it was a sparring match and she bested him easily. Rey's biggest hurdle as a character is pinpointing the right moment to close her eyes and activate god mode in any battle.
By noticing the lightsaber they are apparently not capable of being aware of and force-pulling it into your hard and putting it to their neck.
But TBH, I just checked the tape again on youtube and on further inspection there does seem to be more evidence that Luke simply didn't care to exert the effort needed to defeat her/school her in combat and was just doing what he had to do to get back to his hut and drink his green milk in peace, so I'll go ahead & concede to the point that he was holding back.
Nah it's not really any big effort to address most of the things people have issues with. The movie pretty easily explains what's going on and set up a lot of the plot points that happen in the movie.
This feels like low quality trolling. Most of these aren't scenes that need justifying. Most of these are just gripes about personality or the outcome of a character not being satisfactory. Not about them making no sense.
Bombers in space
Superman Leia
Force projecting
Could have come up with better scenarios for each one. The movie is intent on pulling those AHA PSYKE moments at every moment and undermines itself in the process.
AHA you thought Holdo was a cold hearted fool but PSYKE she's a hero.
AHA you thought Leia was done for but PSYKE she's Superman.
AHA you thought Snoke was boss buy PSYKE he ain't shit.
AHA you thought Finn was about to go out on a blaze of glory but PSYKE its not about who you hate, its about who you love.
The movie also justifies a scene with Luke milking an alien seacow, doesn't mean that scene had to be in the movie.
Well you're kind of mocking the whole idea with your posts, equating anyone talking about it to a gamer obsessed with leveling up.