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RUMOR: First Alleged Pokemon Gen VIII Details Surface
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I think you can blame BotTW, Odyssey, and Xenoblade 2 for that. Although to be fair, "BotW but Pokemon" doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the battle system and people in that camp will point that out.
It's probably best to let them do whatever rather than getting too worked up about it. These people "trying to turn the series into something that it isn't" literally don't have the power to do so. Let the wallow in their ignorance.
Fair enough. Claiming Pokemon would benefit from some ni no uni style battle system is nonsense though.
I'm not even upset about the battle system changing. I always imagined an action-RPG Pokemon and if they managed to give it similar depth with a new system, why would I complain. I'm just looking at all of the things they'd need to do in order to achieve that and it seems like a completely ridiculous amount of work.
I know I know, but I'm just trying to demonstrate that I'm not automatically opposed to things being different.
(Also I got my wish anyway, it's called Gotcha Force.)
What do people actually imagine when they hear "open world" pokemon? I'm really curious, because I'm convinced some of you intentionally imagine something outlandish for the sake of striking it down or claiming it's too big a divergence.
All most people want, I'm assuming, is
All most people want, I'm assuming, is
- a large connected world (which the game's already have),
- which allow you to freely explore with few arbitrary limitations (which the game's have been doing, especially with the lower reliance on HM required obstacles),
- and which allow the player to follow an ideal route directed by the story, also allows them to explore other areas out or "order". (which the games have been getting worse at, or rather, while routes might not be physically smaller, they seem less complex, less filled with puzzles and less labyrinth-like)
I wish this came back, along with a toggle in settings stating "I'm a grown-ass person and know how to play pokémon, please let me skip all the bullshit". There's nothing interesting about exploring a cave where all you have to do is press forward. If kids could handle early gens Victory Roads back then, they sure as hell can handle a similar setup nowadays.
From what I've seen, there are a lot of knee-jerk reactions to suggestions about Pokemon games. It's necessarily "I evaluated the pros and cons of your idea and here is my opinion" but rather "that's not how it is now" and sometimes the conversation ends there with people going deeper into what their suggestion actually means.
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This.
The only thing the battle system need its a battle log.
I feel kind of bad for the gamefreak devs. While the Pokemon games in the last 20 or so years are by no means all identical they are very similar and it must get tiring making something similar so much.
So I think it would be a good idea to at least let GF have a go at a new battle system for at least one new entry. Really how much will it hurt you? If the competitive scene dislikes it they can just avoid the new one and play the old ones.
If it ends up being a disaster it won't kill the franchise but if it ends up being a really cool evolution of the old battle system it could make the games even better.
I know a lot of people will respond with "but the old system is fine and doesn't need fixing" but if Nintendo let that get in the way of progress we wouldn't have Mario 64.
Not saying the rumor is true but jeez guys give it a chance before you condemn it.
So I think it would be a good idea to at least let GF have a go at a new battle system for at least one new entry. Really how much will it hurt you? If the competitive scene dislikes it they can just avoid the new one and play the old ones.
If it ends up being a disaster it won't kill the franchise but if it ends up being a really cool evolution of the old battle system it could make the games even better.
I know a lot of people will respond with "but the old system is fine and doesn't need fixing" but if Nintendo let that get in the way of progress we wouldn't have Mario 64.
Not saying the rumor is true but jeez guys give it a chance before you condemn it.
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#TeamTradition seems to be going strong in this thread!
If Pokemon keeps it's classic battle system I just hope it's as snappy as Persona 5's. Including the entering and exiting battle cutscenes. Apparently Dragon Quest XI does turn-based battles direcly on the Overworld? That'd be cool.
I agree with everything in this post. Melee is still around. A competitive community doesn't need to stick around with new systems they dislike if there's enough passion for the old one.
If Pokemon keeps it's classic battle system I just hope it's as snappy as Persona 5's. Including the entering and exiting battle cutscenes. Apparently Dragon Quest XI does turn-based battles direcly on the Overworld? That'd be cool.
I agree with everything in this post. Melee is still around. A competitive community doesn't need to stick around with new systems they dislike if there's enough passion for the old one.
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It would be nice if it was as snappy and fast as Persona 5. Persona 5's battle system was flawless
Yay :D
Don't worry, I think they get to flex their creative muscles on other "action" franchises.
They made Tembo the Badass Elephant (published by Sega 2015) and Giga Wrecker (for PC 2017). Note that none of those appeared on Nintendo consoles.
Isn't pokejungle kind of infamous for posting bullshit rumors? I feel like they've done a lot of fake rumors in the past
It's really interesting to see how many people are vehemently against the idea of a different battle system.
Like a battle history. A list of the last actions like moves, effects, critital hits, condiction information, weathers calls, etc...
I thought pkmn pearl/diamond/platinum would already have this function due to double screen. Many RPGs already have (Golden Sun) and I thinks is a good function if you don't payed attention of whats happen in 'battle move'. I play pkmn and I watch movies in the same time, so when my pokemon faint in battle me just like 'wtf happens?'
Oh, yeah, that would actually be really helpful, especially for the competitive scene. You're right, they should add it.
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This is probably derailing the topic a bit but this just popped up at EB Games. Pokemon RPG for Nintendo Switch.
And one of the tags says "action". Now if you look up something like Octopath traveller it says "role-playing"
Though this is most likely a placeholder. I just thought I should share.
https://ebgames.com.au/nintendo-switch-225667-Pokemon-RPG-Working-Title-Switch
And one of the tags says "action". Now if you look up something like Octopath traveller it says "role-playing"
Though this is most likely a placeholder. I just thought I should share.
https://ebgames.com.au/nintendo-switch-225667-Pokemon-RPG-Working-Title-Switch
Considering Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are also listed as Action I wouldn't take this to mean anything.
It's less that I'm totally against it, and more that it's the least of Pokemon's issues. Like, if you fix how limited and handholdy the exploration has become, how linear the story is, how uninteresting the story is, how easy the games are? Fine, fuck it, give me a different battle system. But if you change it and keep all those issues? I wouldn't be surprised if I lost interest in the series. USUM are the first Pokemon games I got bored of playing. I need something that feels a little more mentally stimulating then going exactly where the game tells me to go, spamming A through walls of boring text, and just spamming attacks because the game doesn't give you any difficult opponents unless you go online.
This is just a rumor, I suppose I'd want the beauty of an open world game like Skyrim and Breath of the Wild, but would want them to keep the turn based battles.
Also would like a return of the gyms. They were my favourite part of past Pokémon games. Also how about a change to the Pokémon league to make it like an actual tornement, where you battle other trainers in an arena?
Also would like a return of the gyms. They were my favourite part of past Pokémon games. Also how about a change to the Pokémon league to make it like an actual tornement, where you battle other trainers in an arena?
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You're right. They probably have "action" for all Pokemon games. My bad
I personally would love a change in the battle system depending on the game they make. I would love one that feels more like the anime.
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According to Kanzeon other Pokemon games have the tag "action" as well so this probably means all the Pokemon games have the "action" tag on EBgames. I'll update the OP with Pokemon Switch popping up on EBgames though.
No he doesn't because all turn based Pokémon games are listed as action. We all need to stop giving a baseless rumor attention
Why? It's obvious a completely non-indicative placeholder. Hell, the price is $99, and it says "Pokemon RPG". Not to mention straight up action RPGs like FFXV and Kingdom Hearts also say "role-playing" as well
Not that I think it would happen, but if there really was a huge change that alienated the competitive scene, I think the Pokemon Company could salvage some of that by releasing a Battle Simulator app like Showdown. Rather than being barebones and uninviting, use it as way to teach people about competitive Pokemon. Start off low rank/new players in the Little Cup using rental Pokemon. The next Cup over could introduce held items and middle evo pokemon. The next cup would allow for fully evolved pokemon and choosing move sets. and the Prime cup could allow for EV/IV/Nature/Move etc tweaking down the to the very last detail. And of course different battle types (Single/Doubles/Asyncrhonous/"Qucik") and other content.
If you want to verify by yourself:
Compare https://ebgames.com.au/nintendo-switch-225667-Pokemon-RPG-Working-Title-Switch
With https://ebgames.com.au/3ds-208721-Pokmon-Sun-Nintendo-3DS
Or https://ebgames.com.au/3ds-218549-Pokmon-Ultra-Sun-Nintendo-3DS
"Action" tag everywhere for some reason.
They need to do that regardless of what they intend to do with the series tbh
Same thing happened with Final Fantasy recently Ditching the turn based system and i did not like the results at all.
Probably because its the only reason I play the games to begin with? It sure as hell isn't the engrossing post game content that has me putting 300+ hours into every game every gen. It would be like if they made Street Fighter 6 a TCG to shake things up, that fucking appeals to no one who plays SFV for gameplay reasons.
