I think you can blame BotTW, Odyssey, and Xenoblade 2 for that. Although to be fair, "BotW but Pokemon" doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the battle system and people in that camp will point that out.Who are these people who seem to think the Pokemon battle system would benefit from such a shake up sorry? I've played through the entire main series up to ultra Sun/Moon and I got my issues, but the battle system isn't one of them. Seems to just be trendy right now to say 'BOTW but Pokemon' in certain internet circles right now.
It's frustratingly annoying as they are trying to turn the series into something that isn't and refused to listen to anyone that actually understand the series, even going so far in saying that the series should taken away from Game Freak because...reasons.
Fair enough. Claiming Pokemon would benefit from some ni no uni style battle system is nonsense though.I think you can blame BotTW, Odyssey, and Xenoblade 2 for that. Although to be fair, "BotW but Pokemon" doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the battle system and people in that camp will point that out.
Rumor doesn't say action RPG.I'm not even upset about the battle system changing. I always imagined an action-RPG Poemon and if they managed to give it similar depth, why would I complain. I'm just looking at all of the things they'd need to do in order to achieve that and it seems like a completely ridiculous amount of work.
Thats..quite of a big guess time :pIts either late 18 or late 19. I cant see a early 2019 release
and which allow the player to follow an ideal route directed by the story, also allows them to explore other areas out or "order". (which the games have been getting worse at, or rather, while routes might not be physically smaller, they seem less complex, less filled with puzzles and less labyrinth-like)
What do people actually imagine when they hear "open world" pokemon? I'm really curious, because I'm convinced some of you intentionally imagine something outlandish for the sake of striking it down or claiming it's too big a divergence.
All most people want, I'm assuming, is
What those games do well is that they "gate" areas based on levels. For instance, if you get to an area you can't handle, it'll be reflected in the wild pokemon being way higher than your team, not some small obstacle that you haven't gotten the require HM/PokeRide to get past). Not to say those don't have their place, after all you have Metrovania style games that emphasis exploration, but still gate areas by required powerups, but they still allow a certain level of freedom and some minor sequence breaking even without them. I don't see what's so outlandish about that
- a large connected world (which the game's already have),
- which allow you to freely explore with few arbitrary limitations (which the game's have been doing, especially with the lower reliance on HM required obstacles),
- and which allow the player to follow an ideal route directed by the story, also allows them to explore other areas out or "order". (which the games have been getting worse at, or rather, while routes might not be physically smaller, they seem less complex, less filled with puzzles and less labyrinth-like)
I hate it when a site relays a rumor but doesn't trace back to the first originator of the rumor correctly for responsibility and monitoring... Haven't seen anyone checking it yet in this thread...
PokéJungle is citing PokéSirena as their source. They link at her Twitter but her research seems to be basically in this video:
In which she quotes Desdar300 on Bulbagarden forums (post in question) and mentions that he is "the first translator of the Sun/Moon starters leak". She is also involved in asking people around for infos.
So does that mean that "the same people who knew about Rainbow Rocket" might be reffering to the translators and not the leakers themselves?
Since Desdar300 says: "Just to clarify it's a popular rumour going around.", he doesn't attribute it to anyone in particular.
→This might be worth mentionning in the OP no?
Revelant sources:
https://forums.bulbagarden.net/inde...mours-fakes-leaks.241013/page-16#post-6402180
https://forums.bulbagarden.net/inde...mours-fakes-leaks.241013/page-17#post-6402577
https://forums.bulbagarden.net/inde...mours-fakes-leaks.241013/page-17#post-6402590
Edit: isn't that translator person also there even? I think I recognise the avatar.
This also.
This.
How do you mean a Battle Log, sorry?
Yeah, I just watched it.This is getting traction, even GameXplain posted an video about it.
I feel kind of bad for the gamefreak devs. While the Pokemon games in the last 20 or so years are by no means all identical they are very similar and it must get tiring making something similar so much.
So I think it would be a good idea to at least let GF have a go at a new battle system for at least one new entry. Really how much will it hurt you? If the competitive scene dislikes it they can just avoid the new one and play the old ones.
If it ends up being a disaster it won't kill the franchise but if it ends up being a really cool evolution of the old battle system it could make the games even better.
I know a lot of people will respond with "but the old system is fine and doesn't need fixing" but if Nintendo let that get in the way of progress we wouldn't have Mario 64.
Not saying the rumor is true but jeez guys give it a chance before you condemn it.
It would be nice if it was as snappy and fast as Persona 5. Persona 5's battle system was flawless#TeamTradition seems to be going strong in this thread!
If Pokemon keeps it's classic battle system I just hope it's as snappy as Persona 5's. Including the entering and exiting battle cutscenes. Apparently Dragon Quest XI does turn-based battles direcly on the Overworld? That'd be cool.
Yay :D
Don't worry, I think they get to flex their creative muscles on other "action" franchises.I feel kind of bad for the gamefreak devs. While the Pokemon games in the last 20 or so years are by no means all identical they are very similar and it must get tiring making something similar so much.
So I think it would be a good idea to at least let GF have a go at a new battle system for at least one new entry. Really how much will it hurt you? If the competitive scene dislikes it they can just avoid the new one and play the old ones.
Like a battle history. A list of the last actions like moves, effects, critital hits, condiction information, weathers calls, etc...
Oh, yeah, that would actually be really helpful, especially for the competitive scene. You're right, they should add it.Like a battle history. A list of the last actions like moves, effects, critital hits, condiction information, weathers calls, etc...
I thought pkmn pearl/diamond/platinum would already have this function due to double screen. Many RPGs already have (Golden Sun) and I thinks is a good function if you don't payed attention of whats happen in 'battle move'. I play pkmn and I watch movies in the same time, so when my pokemon faint in battle me just like 'wtf happens?'
That means nothingThis is probably derailing the topic a bit but this just popped up at EB Games. Pokemon RPG for Nintendo Switch.
And one of the tags says "action". Now if you look up something like Octopath traveller it says "role-playing"
Though this is most likely a placeholder. I just thought I should share.
https://ebgames.com.au/nintendo-switch-225667-Pokemon-RPG-Working-Title-Switch
Considering Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are also listed as Action I wouldn't take this to mean anything.This is probably derailing the topic a bit but this just popped up at EB Games. Pokemon RPG for Nintendo Switch.
And one of the tags says "action". Now if you look up something like Octopath traveller it says "role-playing"
Though this is most likely a placeholder. I just thought I should share.
https://ebgames.com.au/nintendo-switch-225667-Pokemon-RPG-Working-Title-Switch
It's really interesting to see how many people are vehemently against the idea of a different battle system.
You're right. They probably have "action" for all Pokemon games. My badConsidering Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are also listed as Action I wouldn't take this to mean anything.
OP you need to update the post with this.This is probably derailing the topic a bit but this just popped up at EB Games. Pokemon RPG for Nintendo Switch.
And one of the tags says "action". Now if you look up something like Octopath traveller it says "role-playing"
Though this is most likely a placeholder. I just thought I should share.
https://ebgames.com.au/nintendo-switch-225667-Pokemon-RPG-Working-Title-Switch
According to Kanzeon other Pokemon games have the tag "action" as well so this probably means all the Pokemon games have the "action" tag on EBgames. I'll update the OP with Pokemon Switch popping up on EBgames though.
No he doesn't because all turn based Pokémon games are listed as action. We all need to stop giving a baseless rumor attention
Why? It's obvious a completely non-indicative placeholder. Hell, the price is $99, and it says "Pokemon RPG". Not to mention straight up action RPGs like FFXV and Kingdom Hearts also say "role-playing" as well
I agree with everything in this post. Melee is still around. A competitive community doesn't need to stick around with new systems they dislike if there's enough passion for the old one.
Not that I think it would happen, but if there really was a huge change that alienated the competitive scene, I think the Pokemon Company could salvage some of that by releasing a Battle Simulator app like Showdown. Rather than being barebones and uninviting, use it as way to teach people about competitive Pokemon. Start off low rank/new players in the Little Cup using rental Pokemon. The next Cup over could introduce held items and middle evo pokemon. The next cup would allow for fully evolved pokemon and choosing move sets. and the Prime cup could allow for EV/IV/Nature/Move etc tweaking down the to the very last detail. And of course different battle types (Single/Doubles/Asyncrhonous/"Qucik") and other content.
Very much so thisIt's less that I'm totally against it, and more that it's the least of Pokemon's issues. Like, if you fix how limited and handholdy the exploration has become, how linear the story is, how uninteresting the story is, how easy the games are? Fine, fuck it, give me a different battle system. But if you change it and keep all those issues? I wouldn't be surprised if I lost interest in the series. USUM are the first Pokemon games I got bored of playing. I need something that feels a little more mentally stimulating then going exactly where the game tells me to go, spamming A through walls of boring text, and just spamming attacks because the game doesn't give you any difficult opponents unless you go online.
If you want to verify by yourself:
I think this is a great idea.Not that I think it would happen, but if there really was a huge change that alienated the competitive scene, I think the Pokemon Company could salvage some of that by releasing a Battle Simulator app like Showdown. Rather than being barebones and uninviting, use it as way to teach people about competitive Pokemon. Start off low rank/new players in the Little Cup using rental Pokemon. The next Cup over could introduce held items and middle evo pokemon. The next cup would allow for fully evolved pokemon and choosing move sets. and the Prime cup could allow for EV/IV/Nature/Move etc tweaking down the to the very last detail. And of course different battle types (Single/Doubles/Asyncrhonous/"Qucik") and other content.
They need to do that regardless of what they intend to do with the series tbhNot that I think it would happen, but if there really was a huge change that alienated the competitive scene, I think the Pokemon Company could salvage some of that by releasing a Battle Simulator app like Showdown. Rather than being barebones and uninviting, use it as way to teach people about competitive Pokemon. Start off low rank/new players in the Little Cup using rental Pokemon. The next Cup over could introduce held items and middle evo pokemon. The next cup would allow for fully evolved pokemon and choosing move sets. and the Prime cup could allow for EV/IV/Nature/Move etc tweaking down the to the very last detail. And of course different battle types (Single/Doubles/Asyncrhonous/"Qucik") and other content.
One of the greatest mysteries I've faced in my life is people who don't like Pokémon games and have no interest in playing them demanding Game Freak to apply absurd gameplay changes (MMO style, sandbox open world, action based battle system, etc) in order to make the games fit to them, instead of the actual fans.
It's really interesting to see how many people are vehemently against the idea of a different battle system.