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Sandy Hook Families Win Legal Victory Against Alex Jones(access to Infowars internal documents)
- Thread starter BWoog
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Imagine if we found out that InfoWars got their conspiracy marching orders from the Mercers, the NRA, the RNC, or *insert other nefarious organization here*
Ah I see, thank you. For some reason I thought these documents were the result of the lawsuit, not given for it.
Well, literally none of it is going to be under seal unless (1) plaintiffs attempt to file a portion of the discovery materials with a motion or other filing, (2) a protective order is in place, and (3) a showing for why it needs to be filed under seal is made and granted by the court. Sometimes (2) automatically satisfies (3), if that makes sense, but not always.
But I'm curious of your reasoning here, because I have worked in several federal court cases where financial information is properly subject to a protective order. In fact, every federal case I'm on where internal financials have been exchanged has had a protective order for that information in place.
That would open a gigantic bag of worms.
Like I said, I'm not a lawyer, but this is a civil suit and I'm not sure having any of it under seal would help when what they'd be looking to protect would be the very thing that would come out if Jones lost the case in the first place. I don't think InfoWars is competing with anyone in that specific market and the only thing I could see them wanting to protect is the idea that they believe the crazy in the first place. (because that's what makes them the money). But in this case I would defer to your experience.
Alright since we got someone here who can answer this:
CopperPuppy lets say for whatever reason Mueller becomes interested in the discovered documents, can he request them without prior court order? Can someone going through the documents provided see an invoice for "Talking Good About Trump" paid by "Vladimir Lenin" and send that along to Mueller?
This is all pie in the sky speculation obviously, I doubt Jones is THAT important, but just hypothetically.
If the information is properly classified as a trade secret, then a good faith motion for sealing or redacting it in public filings can be made and will likely be granted. A trade secret is any compilation of information (or process, design, formula, etc.) that a company has kept confidential, is not generally known to others, and which can be used to obtain an economic advantage over competitors or customers. Internal marketing and financial documents would certainly fall into this category (unfortunately in this case).
Again, that doesn't mean none of this is going to come out. Some of it likely will, and allusions to and summaries of it almost certainly will. Lawyers have clever ways of complying with protective orders while leveraging the protected information to their advantage in filings. Being forced to produce confidential information puts tremendous pressure on the producing party. And when you reach the trial stage, courts are generally loathe to draw the curtains on the courthouse and keep proceedings secret from the public. Which is all a way of saying that this ruling will be putting pressure on Jones in a number of different ways.
So Mueller and his investigation are not a part of this litigation, so they cannot properly compel Jones or Infowars to produce anything to them in connection with this particular case. However, Mueller has significant subpoena power as a part of his investigation. If he had reason to suspect that Jones or Infowars had information or documents relevant to his investigation, it is likely he would simply subpoena them without need for a lawsuit. As you know, Mueller has been going after much, much bigger fish with his subpoena authority than Jones.
Also, in the context of this case, should the documents be subject to a protective order and eventually filed under seal, then he has the option of petitioning the court to unseal the documents for X, Y, and Z reasons. But again, he wouldn't bother with this when his investigative powers grant him formidable subpoena reach.
So do they basically just need evidence that Alex Jones intentionally spread this lie for ratings and product sales? I'm pretty sure they're going to find their evidence.
And now, a preview of the next episode of InfoWars
"AND THAT'S WHY BERNIE SANDERS IS SECRETLY A GERBIL PERSON! On another note, you may have read on your Facebook feed that I have lost a legal battle against those hoax-masters behind the fake Sandy Hook shooting. First off, how dare you read news that isn't mine I WORK HARD TO BE YOUR ONE NEWS SOURCE! Secondly, that is a false story planted by the deep state globalist goblins! INFOWARS IS STRONGER THAN EVER! I'M STRONGER THAN EVER! I WILL DISMANTLE THE DEEP STATE WITH MY GODDAMN TEETH! RAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAAAH I WILL WIIIIIN AAAAAAAAAAH! *10 seconds of heavy breathing* On an unrelated note, I am stopping all sales of my store for the time being. God is telling me that the globalists are after people that buy things from my store, and I want to protect you. Yeah that's the ticket..."
"AND THAT'S WHY BERNIE SANDERS IS SECRETLY A GERBIL PERSON! On another note, you may have read on your Facebook feed that I have lost a legal battle against those hoax-masters behind the fake Sandy Hook shooting. First off, how dare you read news that isn't mine I WORK HARD TO BE YOUR ONE NEWS SOURCE! Secondly, that is a false story planted by the deep state globalist goblins! INFOWARS IS STRONGER THAN EVER! I'M STRONGER THAN EVER! I WILL DISMANTLE THE DEEP STATE WITH MY GODDAMN TEETH! RAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAAAH I WILL WIIIIIN AAAAAAAAAAH! *10 seconds of heavy breathing* On an unrelated note, I am stopping all sales of my store for the time being. God is telling me that the globalists are after people that buy things from my store, and I want to protect you. Yeah that's the ticket..."
Wouldn't surprise me.
If the man ever had real convictions in his lunacy, they're long gone. He's just following the sweet scent of fear money.
This doesn't sound good for the families? What stops Alex from going to his office right now, and wiping every evidence of his knowledge? Seems tough to prove. Also the burden of proof sounds ridiculous to me.
Anything filed with the court as evidence, so long as it is not under seal, is part of the public record.
I sincerely hope that this piece of trash ends up homeless, penniless, and completely alone with no one to support him. That would be the absolute *least* he deserves after the extra hell he put the victims of his harassment campaigns through after their already horrific tragedy of losing children.
Freaking great news! Hope he loses every penny that he gained from that vomit-inducing garbage he called a show.
It will probably be subject to a confidentiality order and sensitive financial information may well be filed under seal.
That's a heavy assumption he didn't get rid of most shit. At best his lawyer or someone he hates has some records. Hes deleting all his emails right now
