He only owes her a public apology if she wants that. She was the victim and should not be put back into the spotlight in this situation more than she needs to.
Scott the Woz has reportedly finally removed accused rapist RelaxAlax from his collab video and unfollowed him on social media
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This isn't a show for you. This is about the victim. Maybe the victim would prefer a private apology.
Too many people in this thread are worried more about Scott than they are about the actual victim here.
I really don't think the dude calling everyone childish for not wanting to give Scott the benefit of the doubt because he happened to do the bare minimum in this situation should be talking about projecting.
You're taking this all personally and like, you shouldn't be? People can change, absolutely. We all make mistakes. But it gets harder to to accept that in this situation when the information was out there for a year. The information about Alex was given to Scott directly and he still fucking ignored it and so I'm not sure why you're trying to shame people for not wanting to continue to watch his content or accepting this action as a good move or an apology. If it takes you a month to come to the conclusion that you shouldn't signal boost a rapist, I don't know what to tell you.
Amd before you go in to another one of your spiels about how "that's not how the real world works" or "you must not actually have close friends!" I've cut people out of my life at the drop of a hat for thinking that people we knew for years didn't deserve basic human rights because Republican's or the Bible said so. I'm sorry, but cutting shitty people out of your life, and a rapist at that isn't a hard decision to come to.
100% agreed. On every point. "Good, he did the right thing. Now he still has an apology to go make. Hope he does" is exactly the right response.
I truly hope with this Bobdunga gets the apology that she more than deserves in a way that is satisfactory to her. She didn't deserve to be ghosted by Scott after warning him of Alax.
UnFollowing a rape victim and featuring their rapist in a video is a statement.
Yeah, this.
No one on this planet is perfect, we also make mistakes. The important thing is to learn from them and try to do better.
He reversed the thing he did in public. Also personally has an offense against someone. He doesn't need to apologize to you for his offense against her.
I'm really not going to bother responding to someone who is this bad at reading what I said. I didn't say "give him the benefit of the doubt." Like, at all.
I'm saying this need to collapse him immediately to "good guy or bad guy" is weird and a childish thing to do. It definitionally is. The need to make the world black and white is childish. There's no arguing that. I'm not just lashing out insults because I'm angry or something. I've taken the time to explain why I think the way I do. Dismissing that all as name calling is really silly.
You know exactly what I mean. We're talking about making a bespoke statement like on his twitter.
Everyone knows editing the video and cutting ties with the guy makes a statement. No duh.
In fact that point you're saying is exactly...what I'm saying. Sort of.
I really hope he's apologised to Bobdunga because she's the most important part of all of this.
And you know what I mean I'm tired of people hiding behind "i know my job is on social media but I'm not when it matters". It was bullshit with AVGN and its bullshit now. James not giving Mike the boot with his racism is a statement. Jon "White Nationalist" Tron makes his racist ass statements. His normal boots crew PBG and Competitionist distance themselves from him publicly just to keep hanging out with him privately. That is also a statement. Youtube has unlimited content. I can find people that dont make me sick.
Funny how people on Social Media suddenly stop making statements on SM when racism is involved.
But...my whole point was that Scott does not really have a social media presence. He is barely on twitter ever. He's made many comments about that that he doesn't think he's the kind of person who would well handle a social media account.
And not everyone is. You don't get to tell someone they can't make videos on youtube, or if they do they have to run their own PR account, just because a lot of people watch them. Maintaining a public image on social media can absolutely destroy your mental health, even if nothing like this ever happens to you, and I honestly recommend more people DON'T do it.
I hope he apologized to bobdunga. If what Liam Robertson was saying is true, I look at this with some sideye that it was a bare minimum to dodge some other bad PR.
Regardless it IS the right gesture, but I think there needs to be more. He took a month to do this. He should absolutely make a statement on it. He does not have to put bobdunga in that statement if she does not want to be. I hope he apologizes to her.
Personally I am not convinced on re-subscribing yet, but he could prove me wrong. Yes, people make mistakes and can change. He was also given multiple warnings about this and it had been a month since the video on question released. I think it should be a bit more than just quietly removing him from the video and unfollowing. He still can redeem himself, but I am not personally convinced yet. No one is obligated to be convinced by this.
Regardless it IS the right gesture, but I think there needs to be more. He took a month to do this. He should absolutely make a statement on it. He does not have to put bobdunga in that statement if she does not want to be. I hope he apologizes to her.
Personally I am not convinced on re-subscribing yet, but he could prove me wrong. Yes, people make mistakes and can change. He was also given multiple warnings about this and it had been a month since the video on question released. I think it should be a bit more than just quietly removing him from the video and unfollowing. He still can redeem himself, but I am not personally convinced yet. No one is obligated to be convinced by this.
Far too late. Always knew the "wholesome" image was a charade. He needs to explain exactly why it took him so long and he ignored for so long or else fuck him.
You can acknowledge it was right for him to edit the video without "forgiving" him.
His (clap) job (Clap) is (clap) Social (clap) Media!
When did I say he can't make videos? I don't like him platforming a rapist so I will no longer watch him. He makes content and he is responsible for what he makes. It is his choice not to own up to it so it is my choice not to watch him.
I don't think anyone in this thread has said that they forgive him.
Simply that he isn't "damned forever and ever"
Nuance, you know? There's more states than: "Forgiven" and "Damned Forever".
I literally said in the exact same sentence that people can make youtube videos without maintaining a social media presence. Those are two very distinct ideas that, while often intertwined, are just as often not. You can consider youtube a social media platform, but it is a fundamentally different thing to twitter and other social media sites. One you don't interact with the public, and one you do. Producing a thing for public consumption is not interacting with the public, otherwise the term is meaningless because it is so impossibly broad. Publishing a youtube video is not interacting with the public. Maintaining a social media presence and posting on social media sites specifically designed around public discourse, is. Just because you can term youtube a social media platform does not make it similar at all to what we normally consider social media. And I've made it pretty clear already by context which type I'm talking about. Scott does not have a social media presence, as that concept is generally understood, and as we are literally talking about it now.
If he wants to make youtube videos and not get involved in social media, that is a perfectly legitimate and probably more healthy way to go about things. He wants to just make videos, and if a video has something bad in it, he should remove that. Extending this to wanting him to come out with a public presence is nonsense. A video persona and a public presence are not the same thing. Just like a video game developer can make a video game, which is sold to the public, but not have a public "presence" even if they feature themselves in their own game. Those are two very different things. His job is not social media. His job is making youtube videos. Some people do both. He doesn't. Getting hung up on terms is really stupid because any person should be able to see the distinction in what he is abstaining from, call it whatever the fuck you want, vs those who do not abstain. And I've made it very clear what I mean here.
He does not have to interact with the public, and demanding that he does just because he makes youtube videos is fucking unhinged. No, fewer people should interact with the public. Because interacting with the public takes energy and skill and mental fortitude that most people do not have. There is a reason it is a profession, and a profession that burns people out from it, so wanting to avoid it wholesale is a pretty wise thing to do. But just because people really should not try to have a public face doesn't mean those people can't make youtube videos. You are saying it necessarily comes with the territory, and it does not. It should not. The reason I said that he can make videos is because by your logic, if he's going to make videos, he must also interact with public on social media, so if he doesn't want to have to interact with the public, he just shouldn't make videos. That is nonsense, and bad advice to give to anyone. Stop trying to force people to have a public face who have said they don't want to. It's creepy. He's allowed to make videos and not talk about them. If they have problems, he should fix them. If he's hurt someone, he should go apologize to them. But he's not required to have a dialogue with the public ever. Again, suggesting that is weird and creepy. It's like this weird public ownership of a person. Fuck off with that.
At no point have I said he's not responsible for what he makes. The fuck?
This idea that someone must attach a performative public apology instead of just fixing the thing that's wrong is fucking weird to me.
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The original thread on this should have all the context in the first post.
Scott the Woz invites known abuser & rapist RelaxAlax to cameo in his "Borderlines Forever" video despite being warned about him prior
A while back, it came to light that RelaxAlax abused & raped his ex-girlfriend Bobdunga, as well as emotionally abusing others. Check the threads below for more information on those allegations...
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I respectfully and strongly disagree. Your heart is in the right place but he does not owe us an apology. He does, however, owe an apology to her, but it doesn't have to be public for it to count. She's the one that matters not us. Would I prefer a public acknowledgement if given the choice? Sure, but I really don't care nor should it matter that much.
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I don't know, I don't think I'll be able to find another nerdy white guy covering old Nintendo stuff on YouTube
My god, fuck giving people another chance or encouraging change in behavior in thinking. Just fuck everyone forever if they ever fuck up only once. Great world we're living in. Why not just kill all criminals instead of trying to rehabilitate them.
It's never too late, people.
Stop that.
Fucking stop that.
That's a dangerous, and quite frankly close minded, mentality to have.
This is why we need to start minding our own business, because when you don't, you sabotage an otherwise decent celebrity.
Stop that.
Fucking stop that.
That's a dangerous, and quite frankly close minded, mentality to have.
This is why we need to start minding our own business, because when you don't, you sabotage an otherwise decent celebrity.
Just want to chime in and say I appreciate your posts the last couple pages for cutting through the bullshit, sharing your own experience in a dynamic like this, and pointing out that this whole controversy involves human beings. "He learned & changed later than I would've liked so fuck him forever" is closed minded and completely writes off the humanity of everyone involved so we throw everyone neatly into whatever box we want.
Basically this. Well said.
Scott did the absolute bare minimum. As was said before, this is only the first step of what he needs to do in order to atone. If Scott deserves to be forgiven should be up to Raven. But if Liam's tweets are on the money, it looks like Scott may have only done this to try & push back more bad PR coming his way. Hopefully that's not the case.
Exactly, hence way Raven's opinion is the only one that truly matters. Until I hear from her that Scott did enough to atone, I have no reason to believe that he has.
Agreed.
Strongly disagree. For one, we don't know that he's 'otherwise decent'.
I don't think we need to, nor should we worked toward, being thankful to every person just for making a positive step.
Too many people in threads like these acting like it automatically deserves priase. What deserves praise is consistently taking the right actions, immediately standing up for a victim, not eventually coming around.
It is good whenever people correct themselves, but that doesn't deserve praise on its own and it doesn't absolve a person fromt he mistakes they made. They need to put more work in for that.
Too many people in threads like these acting like it automatically deserves priase. What deserves praise is consistently taking the right actions, immediately standing up for a victim, not eventually coming around.
It is good whenever people correct themselves, but that doesn't deserve praise on its own and it doesn't absolve a person fromt he mistakes they made. They need to put more work in for that.
I won't say "good" for doing this - because he really shouldn't have had this collab in the first place - but it's definitely more than I expected.
This is the appropriate sentiment. This action is insufficient on its own to mitigate the disgusting behavior of ignoring a victim and knowingly collaborating with their attacker.
However, these posts...
These posts are all reductionist.
They reduce the gravity of the initial act into a benign turn of phrase. Instead of acknowledging the weight of what he did, (ignoring multiple warnings and actively blocking a victim before collaborating, supporting, and platforming the walking atrocity), these posts diminish that disgusting behavior by treating it as a less specific, genetic "bad thing".
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They are all guilty of something just as insidious, false equivalency, where they are treating this miniscule gesture as something more. When the conversation is reframed so that he has 'done a bad thing and now has done a good thing', you're employing cognitive bias. Nothing he's done yet comes close to rectifying the chain of decisions he made in the first place.
Is it good that he removed the clip? Sure, it's better than nothing. But it's not an apology, or an admission of self reflection, or an acknowledgement that his actions were wrong. No one is obligated to view this gesture as one of those things either. Those things require explanation, which he hasn't done yet. He could be just as well trying to cover his own ass from further information coming out. And again, it's not our responsibility to put words in his mouth, which is so pathetic in this instance, because the words begin with something as simple as "I'm sorry".
Furthermore, the brigading in his defense, or in favor of public forgiveness seem more like some counter effort to fight the boogie man of 'cancel culture'. But behaving ethically (i.e. avoiding racism, sexism, association with rapists, etc) is literally all one has to do to avoid public backlash. When your job is to operate publicly on a social media platform, no one is obligated to continue watching your stuff, even without a victim-ignoring and rapist-platforming situation. Editing out that content doesn't erase those awful actions. There's nothing gained by derailing the conversation to bemoan people who will 'never forgive someone who has made a mistake' because this miniscule gesture simply isn't enough. What he did was disgusting, and his response hasn't come close to earning forgiveness.
No one is saying that he can't ever be forgiven, but you're damn right people are gonna be side-eyeing the people who continue to ignore the fact that he knew about Alax's past for a year and still featured him in the video. Like, what is so hard to understand about that? This isn't a case of someone who didn't know about the past of a collaborator before platforming them ina video that gets millions of views. He was fully aware of his past and still thought it was appropriate to put him in the video. That in and of itself is a statement that he made and it's incredibly stupid that y'all are going after people not wanting to forgive him when he's given no reason to do so.
I don't really give a shit whether he apologizes to the public as long as he apologized to the victim and the victim is satisfied. The dude just needs to make it right in the eyes of those he harmed.
However, some of yall are on some bullshit. Dude quietly edits a video and unfollows a dude he never should have featured or been associated with in the first place and you all wanna give him applause? Man fuck that. He hasn't done anything worth acknowledgement from the general public. If you're someone who thinks he doesn't owe the public an apology, why the fuck should the public in turn look at his on the low actions as worthy of public praise? Lmao what the fuck is that?
RelaxAlax isn't just a dude with some problematic views. He's a known rapist people. And yall are like "I'm so happy Scott made the right move in total silence. Praise be!!"
However, some of yall are on some bullshit. Dude quietly edits a video and unfollows a dude he never should have featured or been associated with in the first place and you all wanna give him applause? Man fuck that. He hasn't done anything worth acknowledgement from the general public. If you're someone who thinks he doesn't owe the public an apology, why the fuck should the public in turn look at his on the low actions as worthy of public praise? Lmao what the fuck is that?
RelaxAlax isn't just a dude with some problematic views. He's a known rapist people. And yall are like "I'm so happy Scott made the right move in total silence. Praise be!!"
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