I meant "waiting for release" as in waiting for it to become available for purchase to non-backers, not necessarily waiting for it to come out.
And I didn't mention the season pass at all
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Shenmue 3 Kickstarter Backers will not receive preorder/Deluxe Edition bonuses
- Thread starter Chairmanchuck (另一个我)
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And I didn't mention the season pass at all
These preorder bonuses are so marginal I hope they just throw them at anyone who complains because this really isn't worth a minute of anyone's time.
Yeah, because you had to act like there wasn't an actual physical copy of the game outside whatever the PC version is.
Yeah I found the preorder bonuses for PS4 at least
The PlayStation Store (PS4) is now taking pre-orders, and offering the following pre-order bonuses:
In addition, the following PS4-specific bonuses are included on the PlayStation Store:
The PlayStation Store (PS4) is now taking pre-orders, and offering the following pre-order bonuses:
- The "Blazing Kick" Advanced Technique Scroll
- Kenpogi Training outfit
- Peking Power Starter Pack* (this set can be downloaded only once per account)
In addition, the following PS4-specific bonuses are included on the PlayStation Store:
- Shenmue III Character Concept Theme
- 3 Avatars:
- Ryo
- Shenhua
- The Shenmue III logo
Just want to point out that this is not the case on consoles, where code generation does cost money (if the season pass were to be $20, it'd be a couple of bucks per code, for example).
That said, yeah, they should include at least the pre-order bonus with all copies imo. Season pass... it'd be very cool of them to bundle it in, but I get it a bit more? Still not ideal.
And that means we can't complain because? Deep Silver could easily let them give the pre-order bonuses to the backers too, but nope, can't be doing that now can they. That's just too kind of them.
I mean at this point it's about principle for me.
As someone who put quite a decent amount of money into this Kickstarter due to the fact I've been waiting for Shenmue 3 ever since I finished Shenmue 2 after it's EU Dreamcast launch, I just feel used at this point. It feels like there's just no respect for the fans who helped fund their project.
They can't even be bothered to throw backers a bone after the EGS debacle and that just rubs me the wrong way.
I put $310 into the Kickstarter and that's still not good enough to get any pre-order bonuses lol. Bunch of skinflints. The season pass I can understand, but come on, at least let backers have the pre-order stuff.
Sure, but that shows all the more how Deep Silver could've easily offered these things to backers and net themselves some very needed goodwill.
Edit: Like, sure I'm perfectly happy with what I'm getting with the $300 tier but they kind of need to read the room here.
I just hope they don't pull a Day 1 patch as big as the game itself.
And apparently kickstarter backers are also owned by Deep Silver since their EGS deal directly impact us.
Backers takes all the risk, get all the drawback from publisher's desicions, none of the benefit, and based on some comments we sometime get to see, at the end of the day we are the one who should be bowing our head and say thank you.
I expected something along these lines, considering this was being planned in parallel as a retail product, rather than just a backer product. It feels silly, but it does make sense. I was in a higher backer tier, and it doesn't really ruffle my feathers. A different group funded a different subset of content, to try to sell copies of the game through their channel.
The corollary to that, mind you, is that things like the exclusive in-game phone card conversations for the higher tiers from the Kickstarter shouldn't be available to anyone but Backers. I normally think it's petty when people insist other players don't have access to content, but this is a situation where I'd be legitimately annoyed if that audio/convo content isn't delivered on exclusively for backers.
The corollary to that, mind you, is that things like the exclusive in-game phone card conversations for the higher tiers from the Kickstarter shouldn't be available to anyone but Backers. I normally think it's petty when people insist other players don't have access to content, but this is a situation where I'd be legitimately annoyed if that audio/convo content isn't delivered on exclusively for backers.
I just look at the bigger picture. Without Deep Silver infusing funds into the project we wouldn't get the size of the project that we are getting. I personally just dont care about preorder bonuses. Its wasn't listed in the ks when I pledged. I only care about the game. That's just me though
All they need to do now is announce that the Kickstarter exclusive backer case is no longer exclusive. Or that they aren't making one. Then there will be no point for those that backed $60 or less to stay a backer.
I'm kinda surprised anyone gave it money considering how sketchy it looked early on.
I feel like a lot of people just saw the reveal and gave them money based on hype alone.
It was Yu Suzuki making the game. What more did any fan need? It was this or nothing.
what i don't get is how incredibly bad they are at pr
like a first year business school unpaid intern would be a huge improvement for them
like a first year business school unpaid intern would be a huge improvement for them
There's plenty of valid reasons to be annoyed at this campaign.
I'm not sure why you feel the need to come into every thread where people have an issue with how this campaign transpired and dismiss it as "people just want to be outraged".
Could easily say the same about every other Kickstarter that's gone bad.
If you're fed conflicting information in the pitch why would you give your money to him?
I do want to make clear that I'm not blaming the backers. People aren't going to act rationally when they are pumped full of marketing and the hype train starts going. I'm just as guilty of it as anyone. It's one of the worst parts about the hobby.
How is getting what I paid for appalling? I put in almost $300 for a game I waited 15+ years for and will hopefully be getting what I was promised. What's important for me is the game, everything else doesn't matter nearly as much.
So we are still guaranteed what we were promised with the Kickstarter, but we aren't getting the season pass that was announced after the Kickstarter? Am I understanding that correctly? Or is the OP's title saying we aren't getting out Kickstarter stuff at all?
my dude, when your galaxybrain take is "if preorder incentives are supposed to be extra incentives for people to preorder the game, why would they give them to people who already preordered the game," you should probably think a few more times before posting
I agreed with the EGS stuff but this is a little silly. Just because they could offer it as a goodwill thing doesn't mean they have to. They offered you a product and you decided to pay money for it, getting mad they aren't adding things that weren't included in the first place is a ridiculous thing to do.
It has to be said so often it's almost kinda sad - Kickstarter is N O T a pre-order.
It has to be said so often it's almost kinda sad - Kickstarter is N O T a pre-order.
This is scammy as shit, considering backing it is basically a pre-order.
Jeez, why is it so hard for companies to be pro-consumer these days?
Jeez, why is it so hard for companies to be pro-consumer these days?
Why not?
Considering how slight the bonuses are, it wouldn't have hurt to throw the most hardcore fans a bone. Telling them to buy another copy is not a good look.
What's the scam? Kickstarter backers are getting their own content, separate from any content retail customers are getting:
Japan is getting a physical Day 1 edition. Are Japanese Kickstarter backers being scammed if they don't get a physical Day 1 edition as well as their own specialty Kickstarter edition?
This thread is based on a ridiculous premise. I know this has been a horribly managed Kickstarter, but I think some of you just smell blood. The bonuses some of you feel entitled to amount some items and moves you'll probably be able to buy in game after an hour. Is that really worth the outrage?
While I think they should include the season pass above certain tiers just to generate good will, it wasn't promised so I don't see an issue with not including it.
Not including the preorder stuff is just silly. The content itself looks worthless, but there is no reason to antagonize backers further at this point on something that costs them nothing to include.
Not including the preorder stuff is just silly. The content itself looks worthless, but there is no reason to antagonize backers further at this point on something that costs them nothing to include.
Deep Silver owns game discs too. I hope you didn't want one in box.
You still pretty much pre-ordered the game with backing it. The pre-order DLC doesn't even seem to be very beefy, so why not give it to the people who are responsible that it can release at all?
SMS tried to do the same with Project CARS, where people who were an active part of the development wouldn't get pre-order bonuses and Day 1 DLC. Fortunately people didn't just swallow this shit like you do now.
This is pure anti-consumer bullcrap.
For me, I went in on a physical copy because they made it look like it might be exclusive only to this kickstarter and they showed an image at the that suggests some pretty custom looking packaging. Now I'm 99% certain we are getting a standard retail ps4 jewelbox with thin cardboard slipcase over it.
I mean, it is what it is, I'm getting a physical copy of the game, but I've pretty much been disappointed in every Kickstarter I've taken part on so far. Mighty No 9 was a debacle. Bloodstained I could have $20 spent less to get a physical copy that included a much cooler steelbook (and I wouldn't be stuck with a gimped Switch version, which most of us never thought would be as compromised as it is, graphically and performance-wise), Shenmue 3 has been completely scummy, and I'm getting the strong vibe will probably have much better physical copies available at retail too, Friday the 13th the game got all of its support yanked after a year.
So yeah, I think I'm done with the platform at least for anything physical- maybe I should just opt in for cheap digital copies from now on.
I mean, it is what it is, I'm getting a physical copy of the game, but I've pretty much been disappointed in every Kickstarter I've taken part on so far. Mighty No 9 was a debacle. Bloodstained I could have $20 spent less to get a physical copy that included a much cooler steelbook (and I wouldn't be stuck with a gimped Switch version, which most of us never thought would be as compromised as it is, graphically and performance-wise), Shenmue 3 has been completely scummy, and I'm getting the strong vibe will probably have much better physical copies available at retail too, Friday the 13th the game got all of its support yanked after a year.
So yeah, I think I'm done with the platform at least for anything physical- maybe I should just opt in for cheap digital copies from now on.
I think this is the bigger story/issue, and it definitely isn't exclusive to Shenmue. Crowdfunding is great for getting a game you want off the ground, but horrible as a 'store' for early adopters. I expect we'll all receive copies of the game way later than retail customers as well based on what I've seen from other Kickstarter campaigns.
I think this explains the problem in a nutshell. Kickstarter isn't supposed to be a preorder system. It's supposed to make the game possible. But when game developers flooded the website they've literally made it seems like you were preordering items. The main issue is that when a publishers steps in that publisher wants to make as much money as possible. As such they want to sell DLC, season pass and the like and giving things for free to backers isn't really interesting for them.
Hat in Time, Shovel Knight and Hollow Knight were also self published. Console versions of a Hat in Time were by Humble Bundle though. I suppose it's easier to give away content for free when no publisher is involved and you are in total control of your product. This is the main difference with Shenmue. When they've made the deal with Deep Silver they lost control over the product compared to other kickstarters. It lead to the Epic Deal and heavy monetization incentives which seems to punish the initial supporters.
Bloodstained handled it much better but there was still issues with people like making the backers DLC available for sale and the Retail release having an exclusive steelbook and so on(which they offered a limited amount of backers to buy).
What's definitely unique with this game is that it's stuck in an endless downward spiral of bad PR and they now have little hope of turning things around.
Pretty obviously Ys Net either don't care about or don't understand the concept of goodwill.
They are only begrudgingly doing the bare minimum of what they are obligated to do, and are keen to weasel out of even that if they can.