AFAIK there were zero PC pre-orders prior to this. Certainly, there were no pre-orders on Steam.
Oh. What about console pre-orders? Do DS handle the PS4 version?
AFAIK there were zero PC pre-orders prior to this. Certainly, there were no pre-orders on Steam.
I'm so glad to finally, *finally* see these disengenuous arguments getting people banned.We're way too deep in this topic and this topic has been treaded way too many times for people to come in acting clueless about people's issue here. If you don't get it, google it, check reddit or read the thread. No one should have to explain this again.
That analogy does not work. Ur analogy make it sound they are not delivering the same game they promissed and they are.For all the 'you're still getting a game folks', imagine this:
I tell you that I can cook you a meal for $15
You pay me $20 since you heard my food is delicious
I show you what I can cook
I even ask you what kind of special sauce you want with your food
You choose a steak meal with cheese and sauce.
Then I deliver a hot dog, which wasnt even on the menu.
Sure, I served you a meal. But that's not what I advertised nor what you expected.
You obviously tell me to refund your money.
I tell you nah fam enjoy your hotdog. Then I flip you the bird and kick your cat.
Steamworks - Build & Distribute Your Games on Steam
Steamworks is a set of tools and services that help game developers and publishers build their games and get the most out of distributing on Steam.partner.steamgames.com
You don't know what a platform is. Steam is literally a platform. It's a set of dependencies you compile against. It's a literal development platform in the most explicit sense. Source: I have been doing development for 25 years now.
Ganes LITERALLY run on steam, just like they "run on windows."
Platform documentation: https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/home
get reading and start learning
Another possibility could be that PC Preorders are super low ( outside of Backers ) and Deep Silver just wanted to get a check from Epic to make it more profitable. Maybe the money was super small for Epic and they just wanted some title in their "Exclusive" lineup.
That's good enough for Epic/PS4 codes. Please don't ignore idiots like me who backed for a physical copy, living in a different region and has a different region for my PSN account.I don't see any option for game region? Isn't country and adress enough for them to decide on which region game you get?
The least they could have done. The absolute fucking least they could have done, is to offer full refunds to anyone who had backed for a Steam copy. The fact that they are unwilling to do even that takes this from screwing over their fans into outright scamming people territory in my mind.
I mean, fuck. I love Shenmue. I was one of the very first backers of III, back when Kickstarter was constantly crashing and showing the wrong total for the pledge amount because of how heavy the traffic was. As recently as 12 hours ago this was one of my most anticipated games of the year. And now I'm not even going to touch it. Suzuki has burned all of his goodwill with me in a single day, after Shenmue III being a dream game of mine for more than a decade.
Sigh... Okay, I should rephrase. I didn't say Steam isn't a platform. I said it isn't the platform that I was referring to in my original post, which was comparing a game set to release on xbox instead releasing on PlayStation. In this example, the platform is PC.
I'm so glad to finally, *finally* see these disengenuous arguments getting people banned.
Sigh... Okay, I should rephrase. I didn't say Steam isn't a platform. I said it isn't the platform that I was referring to in my original post, which was comparing a game set to release on xbox instead releasing on PlayStation. In this example, the platform is PC.
Or, to be more accurate you request your food on a paper plate but they give you your food on a styrofoam plate instead. Same food, just on a different holderFor all the 'you're still getting a game folks', imagine this:
I tell you that I can cook you a meal for $15
You pay me $20 since you heard my food is delicious
I show you what I can cook
I even ask you what kind of special sauce you want with your food
You choose a steak meal with cheese and sauce.
Then I deliver a hot dog, which wasnt even on the menu.
Sure, I served you a meal. But that's not what I advertised nor what you expected.
You obviously tell me to refund your money.
I tell you nah fam enjoy your hotdog. Then I flip you the bird and kick your cat.
They never opened preorders on steam, if preorder were low, thats on they
AFAIK there were zero PC pre-orders prior to this. Certainly, there were no pre-orders on Steam.
I've been saying this was going to happen since Epic started this shit. Epic wants to make the biggest noise possible with these moves and what better way than a game fans said they'd do basically anything for?
I would have bought dedicated hardware to play this game but I refuse to support the Epic store after this and, honestly, it makes me suspect of the people making this game.
There were so many ways to do this deal, even if Epic made you an offer you couldn't refuse. They allowed the grossest, worst deal possible for fans.
Uhhh..no.Or, to be more accurate you request your food on a paper plate but they give you your food on a styrofoam plate instead. Same food, just on a different holder
and, again, you don't know what you're talking about. Steam is absolutely a platform in the same way Xbox and Playstation are. The exact same ways, in fact. What makes "Xbox" different from any other x86-64 based PC is specifically the library dependencies they create that games run on. If you think "Xbox" and "playstation" are platforms, Steam is a platform in 100% the same. exact. way.
That was until they put Fortnite in the Shenmue III arcade.
Could happen?
A lot of people are upset. I am not going to convince them that no, theyre not upset. The team clearly fucked up. Respect people's right to be be mad. Personally, this is killing me. I wish people weren't upset, but I get it. I really do.That analogy does not work. Ur analogy make it sound they are not delivering the same game they promissed and they are.
If you want to make a food analogy the correct would be something like: I serve you this food in my restaurant, u can buy now and you can go to my restaurant to eat ur food. Then u get a message saying. Sorry my restaurant is not available anymore but i will cock you the same food in this new restaurant, i know is not as good as my previous restaurant but the food is exactly the same.
I understand why ppl are upset for this change, but ppl is way overreacting. The backers bought the game for PC and it will still come for PC. But its good for them to show they are not happy with this decision. Locking the game behind an exclusive store is bad for everyone except for Epic and maybe Deep Silver that got some extra cash for the deal.
This game should be available in all PC stores and consoles. This game need sales, not bad press and fragmented market.
The new restaurant, however, is dirty, has no chair and serves their food on the table instead of on a plate.That analogy does not work. Ur analogy make it sound they are not delivering the same game they promissed and they are.
If you want to make a food analogy the correct would be something like: I serve you this food in my restaurant, u can buy now and you can go to my restaurant to eat ur food. Then u get a message saying. Sorry my restaurant is not available anymore but i will cock you the same food in this new restaurant, i know is not as good as my previous restaurant but the food is exactly the same.
Okay. So let's say a game is releasing on Xbox. I have it preordered, super excited, ready to go. A few months before launch, the dev/publisher say "Hey, Sony paid us money, we're releasing on PS4 instead!". And they also say that They'll "honor" my pre-order, but only with a PS4 copy, and let's say I don't own a PS4. So in this scenario I'm completely screwed (not by choice either) unless I spend another few hundred on a new console.
Now let's look at this scenario. A game is preordered/kickstarted on Steam, EGS buys it, only releases on EGS. Both of which are platforms, yes, on a larger PC platform. In this scenario they aren't offering me a refund either, or a steam key, but are instead giving me an EGS one. Now while I still can't play the game on my platform (yes, I'll go ahead and use it) of choice, I don't need to spend another few hundred if I wanted to play the game. So while I am screwed, it is by my own choice (let's say I don't agree with Epic's way of doing business, so I don't want to use their launcher).
Those are not the same two scenarios. And in this scenario, PC is the more directly comparable platform to Xbox One and PS4.
Okay. So let's say a game is releasing on Xbox. I have it preordered, super excited, ready to go. A few months before launch, the dev/publisher say "Hey, Sony paid us money, we're releasing on PS4 instead!". And they also say that They'll "honor" my pre-order, but only with a PS4 copy, and let's say I don't own a PS4. So in this scenario I'm completely screwed (not by choice either) unless I spend another few hundred on a new console.
Now let's look at this scenario. A game is preordered/kickstarted on Steam, EGS buys it, only releases on EGS. Both of which are platforms, yes, on a larger PC platform. In this scenario they aren't offering me a refund either, or a steam key, but are instead giving me an EGS one. Now while I still can't play the game on my platform (yes, I'll go ahead and use it) of choice, I don't need to spend another few hundred if I wanted to play the game. So while I am screwed, it is by my own choice (let's say I don't agree with Epic's way of doing business, so I don't want to use their launcher).
Those are not the same two scenarios. And in this scenario, PC is the more directly comparable platform to Xbox One and PS4.
Requested a refund on my $500 pledge. I never backed on kickstarter but I did pledge on the fangamer page. Said physical steam disc. I won't be using Epic Game Store and yeah I'll miss out on all the extras but I'm not going to allow them to pull a bait and switch on me.
Okay. So let's say a game is releasing on Xbox. I have it preordered, super excited, ready to go. A few months before launch, the dev/publisher say "Hey, Sony paid us money, we're releasing on PS4 instead!". And they also say that They'll "honor" my pre-order, but only with a PS4 copy, and let's say I don't own a PS4. So in this scenario I'm completely screwed (not by choice either) unless I spend another few hundred on a new console.
Now let's look at this scenario. A game is preordered/kickstarted on Steam, EGS buys it, only releases on EGS. Both of which are platforms, yes, on a larger PC platform. In this scenario they aren't offering me a refund either, or a steam key, but are instead giving me an EGS one. Now while I still can't play the game on my platform (yes, I'll go ahead and use it) of choice, I don't need to spend another few hundred if I wanted to play the game. So while I am screwed, it is by my own choice (let's say I don't agree with Epic's way of doing business, so I don't want to use their launcher).
Those are not the same two scenarios. And in this scenario, PC is the more directly comparable platform to Xbox One and PS4.
Take your hotdog, because it seems you don't mind losing that steak meal with cheese and sauce. Even though you already paid for it.For all the 'you're still getting a game folks', imagine this:
I tell you that I can cook you a meal for $15
You pay me $20 since you heard my food is delicious
I show you what I can cook
I even ask you what kind of special sauce you want with your food
You choose a steak meal with cheese and sauce.
Then I deliver a hot dog, which wasnt even on the menu.
Sure, I served you a meal. But that's not what I advertised nor what you expected.
You obviously tell me to refund your money.
I tell you nah fam enjoy your hotdog. Then I flip you the bird and kick your cat.
I have a friend who pre ordered Shenmue who has a Linux based gaming PC. 6 days ago, Shenmue could run on his PC. Today, if he wants to play shenmue on his PC, he now needs to shell out $50 for a windows license to play it, entirely because it switched platforms.
THE. EXACT. SAME. WAY.
I agree 100% that Linux users are getting screwed over, and that's not okay. But that's also a very, very small portion of the people playing the game. That doesn't make it right and I hope EGS eventually (hopefully sooner rather than later) provides Linux support (they have mac support, for example.I have a friend who pre ordered Shenmue who has a Linux based gaming PC. 6 days ago, Shenmue could run on his PC. Today, if he wants to play shenmue on his PC, he now needs to shell out $50 for a windows license to play it, entirely because it switched platforms.
THE. EXACT. SAME. WAY.
I personally tested some of the regional pricing in the EGS, and while they don't have regional currency yet, they do have regional pricing. Hell, Borderlands 3 was I think 20 USD during that recent sale, and 30 or so regularly in Brazil.If we are getting technical here, when the game switches from Steam to EGS, Linux users get screwed and can't play unless they install Windows. Then there's the issue of regional availability, though I don't know if it applies here (Control for instance can't be played in China on EGS).
Take your hotdog, because it seems you don't mind losing that steak meal with cheese and sauce. Even though you already paid for it.
Take your hotdog, because it seems you don't mind losing that steak meal with cheese and sauce. Even though you already paid for it.
I agree 100% that Linux users are getting screwed over, and that's not okay. But that's also a very, very small portion of the people playing the game. That doesn't make it right and I hope EGS eventually (hopefully sooner rather than later) provides Linux support (they have mac support, for example.
Sad really. I really want the game and was even going to purchase a copy on PS4 after I got my PC version but now I'll wait for a sale. In the meantime I'll go back to Shenmue 1 and 2 and remember how much fun I had on Dreamcast and XBox when they released.between you and I alone, that's $1000 in refund requested over this. Mind boggling how stupid this decision was.
Sad really. I really want the game and was even going to purchase a copy on PS4 after I got my PC version but now I'll wait for a sale. In the meantime I'll go back to Shenmue 1 and 2 and remember how much fun I had on Dreamcast and XBox when they released.
I expected nothing beyond a hand wave and you sure lived up to it
What do you want me to say lol, that I'll boycott the epic store until they support Linux? Linux is a great OS, but it's no secret that it's gaming support (while growing and getting better) isn't the best. You gave me an example that affects a very small subset of people, or do you believe that more people would be affected of a game not being able to be played on Linux compared to a game switching from Xbox to PS4 near release?
I want you to shut up with this "it's just another launcher" stuff you've been posting for several posts in a row.
have you ever considered that maybe you don't know what you're talking about, you could be wrong, and others know more than youWhat do you want me to say lol, that I'll boycott the epic store until they support Linux? Linux is a great OS, but it's no secret that it's gaming support (while growing and getting better) isn't the best. You gave me an example that affects a very small subset of people, or do you believe that more people would be affected of a game not being able to be played on Linux compared to a game switching from Xbox to PS4 near release?
Is there any legal repercussions they could face for this, like a class action or something?
I agree 100% that Linux users are getting screwed over, and that's not okay. But that's also a very, very small portion of the people playing the game. That doesn't make it right and I hope EGS eventually (hopefully sooner rather than later) provides Linux support (they have mac support, for example.
I personally tested some of the regional pricing in the EGS, and while they don't have regional currency yet, they do have regional pricing. Hell, Borderlands 3 was I think 20 USD during that recent sale, and 30 or so regularly in Brazil.
Are you really using a metaphor when I just typed out the actual situation itself?
It is the only way to fight Valve's monopoly.What do you mean he sold the steak meal to Tim Sweeny for some of that fortnite money and Tim gave him old tin of hot dogs to keep you happy.
The situation is easy to read; you want to pretend it is something else. EGS is an inferior product in almost every regard. It doesn't even have a shopping cart. In 2019. Tell me, why people shouldn't be pissed off? Besides the lack of Linux support, EGS doesn't have cloud saving, controller support, Big Screen, forums, and many other stuff. Add to that that Tim Sweeney is a deplorable fucking liar who is always twisting the truth to make it seem EGS is the best option for consumers (which is, guess what, a lie) and that Ys Net refuses to issue refunds.Are you really using a metaphor when I just typed out the actual situation itself?
What do you want me to say lol, that I'll boycott the epic store until they support Linux? Linux is a great OS, but it's no secret that it's gaming support (while growing and getting better) isn't the best. You gave me an example that affects a very small subset of people, or do you believe that more people would be affected of a game not being able to be played on Linux compared to a game switching from Xbox to PS4 near release?
I haven't been saying it's just another launcher... Literally in my very first post here I said that it wasn't.
What I'm saying is that people are taking the news a tad too personally, and hell I just had to fight off the absurd notion that going from Steam to EGS is as bad or worse than a game going from Xbox to PS4.
They double dipped.
They got all the money from the fans to make the game.
Now they take Epics money and tell the fans to deal with it.
Yikes man.
I would seriously like to see someone try to explain how windows is a platform, but steam is not.