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TheMango55

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Nov 1, 2017
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The point you were debating was a single example of the man's behaviour, mixed with everything else we do know it's telling of his character.

You're talking like all we have is the suggestion of a single character flaw and we're attempting to condemn him for that.

Randy Pitchford is an arrogant douchebag who can't take criticism, holds petty grudges with youtubers, has a weird obsession with stage magic that he feels he has to inflict on everyone else, and hilariously lost a thumb drive that for some reason contained both sensitive business information AND porn at a medieval times.

He's a garbage person and if he were my boss I'd probably quit.

But maybe don't call people pedophiles when there is no evidence of it, yeah?
 

Schaft0620

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
838
The point you were debating was a single example of the man's behaviour, mixed with everything else we do know it's telling of his character.

You're talking like all we have is the suggestion of a single character flaw and we're attempting to condemn him for that.

YOU CAN'T CALL SOMEONE A PEDOPHILE BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE ALENS CM.
 

astro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
57,201
YOU CAN'T CALL SOMEONE A PEDOPHILE BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE ALENS CM.
Randy Pitchford is an arrogant douchebag who can't take criticism, holds petty grudges with youtubers, has a weird obsession with stage magic that he feels he has to inflict on everyone else, and hilariously lost a thumb drive that for some reason contained both sensitive business information AND porn at a medieval times.

He's a garbage person and if he were my boss I'd probably quit.

But maybe don't call people pedophiles when there is no evidence of it, yeah?
My post had literally nothing to do with the paedophile part.

EDIT: My bad, i'd quoted the wrong person. See edit.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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EDITED --- quoted the wrong person before --- updated:




The point you were debating was a single example of the man's behaviour, mixed with everything else we do know it's telling of his character.

You're talking like all we have is the suggestion of a single character flaw and we're attempting to condemn him for that.
I already addressed this. Having one or two or whatever bad characteristics and saying they have another bad characteristic holds no ground. I never said he only had one character flaw. Nothing you have said indicates he has this humongous ego to believe Gearbox was his "birthright" and if he doesn't get all this attention he wouldn't even see a point in the company.
 

Orbit

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Nov 21, 2018
1,328
i see. i'm just surprised it happened, tho. you would think they had already tested to see if the video would play correctly before the presentation started.
 

astro

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Oct 25, 2017
57,201
I already addressed this. Having one or two or whatever bad characteristics and saying they have another bad characteristic holds no ground. I never said he only had one character flaw. Nothing you have said indicates he has this humongous ego to believe Gearbox was his "birthright" and if he doesn't get all this attention he wouldn't even see a point in the company.
His behaviour over the years shows that, though, especially his lying to the press and arrogant little confrontations on Twitter.
 

Orbit

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Nov 21, 2018
1,328
oh and let's not forget how he completely made up the story of how he won the name for the company 'gear box' from gabe newell in a poker match lol.
 

astro

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Oct 25, 2017
57,201
I mean let's see it. I'd like to see this humongous ego in action, If its that big to assume a company is his birthright it must be pretty nasty stuff.
I mean, he's spewed his arrogance all over the internet for years. You're mote than capable of having a quick google and reading about it.

Start with something like "Randy Pritchford is a liar" and go from there, you'll find tonnes of examples of his ego in action.
 

Zambayoshi

Member
Nov 2, 2017
103
I don't think he should distance himself at all. Why should he? Just because of some unproven allegations, many of which are hearsay?
 

astro

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Oct 25, 2017
57,201
I don't think he should distance himself at all. Why should he? Just because of some unproven allegations, many of which are hearsay?
It's not just a few allegations.

The artwork to BL was stolen (the intro video has shot for shot theft) from another artist while he was in-charge.
His conduct and lies throughout the Colonial Marines incident.
And his general behaviour and arrogance over the years.

Again: people don't like the man for good reasons BEFORE we even get to allegations.

I don't think he has to do anything, but it's a reasonable wish to not have a man like him associated with something you're fond of.
 

ASaiyan

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Oct 25, 2017
7,228
It's his company. He's founder and CEO.

If you wanna financially support a literal criminal and all-around loser that's on you, lol.
 

Deleted member 43077

User requested account closure
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May 9, 2018
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Meh whether he is the public face or not I'll get the game and that has no bearing on the quality of the game.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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I mean, he's spewed his arrogance all over the internet for years. You're mote than capable of having a quick google and reading about it.

Start with something like "Randy Pritchford is a liar" and go from there, you'll find tonnes of examples of his ego in action.
Its the job of the person making the accusation to proof it, not the other person to disproof it. That's why its innocent until proven guilty and not guilty until proven innocent.
 

Laserbeam

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,492
Canada
People who call him charismatic and whatnot kind of blow my mind. I find him incredibly off putting. He's hard to watch when he rambles on and on. Not nearly as charming as he thinks he is.

All that before even taking into account the gross weirdo stories about him.

So yes. Please go away.
 

astro

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Oct 25, 2017
57,201
Its the job of the person making the accusation to proof it, not the other person to disproof it. That's why its innocent until proven guilty and not guilty until proven innocent.
This isn't a court of law, lol. The internet is there, use it if you want to find out what I'm talking about. If you don't, that's completely up to you.

Like I said, it's not hard to find if you're interested. The man has been spewing his nonsense for years and years.
 

Speely

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
8,006
BL3 looks great, imo, but I will not be supporting it with my wallet. Sure, it's not much, but it's all I can do.

Will find other shlooter options. Done supporting scumbags for a goddamn privileged hobby.
 
Oct 29, 2017
890
This isn't a court of law, lol. The internet is there, use it if you want to find out what I'm talking about. If you don't, that's completely up to you.

Like I said, it's not hard to find if you're interested. The man has been spewing his nonsense for years and years.
I didn't say it was, I was giving an example of the basic principle. If your not gonna proof your accusation you shouldn't bother making it.
 

astro

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Oct 25, 2017
57,201
I didn't say it was, I was giving an example of the basic principle. If your not gonna proof your accusation you shouldn't bother making it.
It's not an accusation, it's a report of what we've all seen from him many times. In terms of his general ego and behaviours.

If you really think we're just making it up about him I don't know what to say.
 

Zambayoshi

Member
Nov 2, 2017
103
It's not just a few allegations.

The artwork to BL was stolen (the intro video has shot for shot theft) from another artist while he was in-charge.
His conduct and lies throughout the Colonial Marines incident.
And his general behaviour and arrogance over the years.

Again: people don't like the man for good reasons BEFORE we even get to allegations.

Randy apologised for the 'stolen' artwork (and it wasn't something he personally did) - https://www.destructoid.com/gearbox-accused-of-pilfering-art-for-borderlands-2-235455.phtml

Intro video has some recreations of the Codehunters shots, but it isn't theft (see the dismissed dispute between Nike and Jacob Rentmeester over the Jordan "jumpman" photo)

Regarding Colonial Marines, Randy is not the first, nor will he be the last, developer to defend 'downgraded' final products. See No Man's Sky for instance. Yes, he was quite arrogant in some of his statements. Yes, he may have lied. I personally have met Randy, and I found him to be a genuine guy with a passion for what he does. I don't view him as any worse than someone like Peter Molyneux. His mouth and his passion sometimes get him in trouble, obviously. I don't think that's a reason for him to 'distance himself' from his creations. I'm happy to judge BL3 on its own merits.
 
Oct 29, 2017
890
It's not an accusation, it's a report of what we've all seen from him many times.

If you really think we're just making it up about him I don't know what to say.
I told you what I wanted you to say but you don't seem to want to, which is fine, but I'm not gonna take a "report" seriously with no proof. Have a good day.
 

Deleted member 15227

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Oct 27, 2017
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The guy is a douche and all round slimehole. I'm not surprised that some of the gaming community and members here find him endearing and will continue to support him and his garbage games.
 

EGOMON

Member
Nov 5, 2017
924
Earth
All the white knights in this community can band up and not buy BL3 all 12 of you, we otherwise will be enjoying finally original loot shooter from one of the most beloved franchise in the industry
 

Fisty

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,363
I would pay anything to have Penn Jillette make a reaction video to Randy's magical extravaganza today
 

ArkkAngel007

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
5,032
Randy apologised for the 'stolen' artwork (and it wasn't something he personally did) - https://www.destructoid.com/gearbox-accused-of-pilfering-art-for-borderlands-2-235455.phtml

Intro video has some recreations of the Codehunters shots, but it isn't theft (see the dismissed dispute between Nike and Jacob Rentmeester over the Jordan "jumpman" photo)

Regarding Colonial Marines, Randy is not the first, nor will he be the last, developer to defend 'downgraded' final products. See No Man's Sky for instance. Yes, he was quite arrogant in some of his statements. Yes, he may have lied. I personally have met Randy, and I found him to be a genuine guy with a passion for what he does. I don't view him as any worse than someone like Peter Molyneux. His mouth and his passion sometimes get him in trouble, obviously. I don't think that's a reason for him to 'distance himself' from his creations. I'm happy to judge BL3 on its own merits.

Wasn't the bigger issue with CM less of the 'downgrade' and fake demo reel than him funneling Sega's money for that game into other Gearbox projects like Borderlands, all while outsourcing it to other companies? As well as how that situation regarding the marketing was handled between them and SEGA?

Granted, that was done for the benefit of Borderlands so I can see why few would care, but that's a really scummy way of treating both your partners and development teams.
 

astro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
57,201
Randy apologised for the 'stolen' artwork (and it wasn't something he personally did) - https://www.destructoid.com/gearbox-accused-of-pilfering-art-for-borderlands-2-235455.phtml

Intro video has some recreations of the Codehunters shots, but it isn't theft (see the dismissed dispute between Nike and Jacob Rentmeester over the Jordan "jumpman" photo)

Regarding Colonial Marines, Randy is not the first, nor will he be the last, developer to defend 'downgraded' final products. See No Man's Sky for instance. Yes, he was quite arrogant in some of his statements. Yes, he may have lied. I personally have met Randy, and I found him to be a genuine guy with a passion for what he does. I don't view him as any worse than someone like Peter Molyneux. His mouth and his passion sometimes get him in trouble, obviously. I don't think that's a reason for him to 'distance himself' from his creations. I'm happy to judge BL3 on its own merits.

I've met him too actually. My friend and I attended the Tiny Tina DLC showcase event, played the DLC and previewed it for the site we wrote for, and chatted to him for about 20 minutes. He seemed perfectly fine in person at the time, friendly and excited about his game. That doesn't excuse his behaviour and incidents surrounding him. There are loads of legit reasons why people don't want to support him, and his behaviour on social media backs up all the claims tbh. He's often acted like an entitled, arrogant jerk to people online. The fact I met him and he was nice to me and my friend for 20 minutes doesn't overwrite all of this.

I wasn't aware the artwork thing had been resolved, but if that's true and the OG artist is happy then fair enough.

But then your opinions on Molyneux suggests you don't care as much about these things as others do, but I'm sure you can understand why people wish he wasn't associated with something they're so fond of.

I told you what I wanted you to say but you don't seem to want to, which is fine, but I'm not gonna take a "report" seriously with no proof. Have a good day.
I'm just saying that was not the only reason people don't trust/like him, which is what you were making it out to be. There is more that one reason why people don't like the man.
 
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Uthred

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Oct 25, 2017
3,567
I mean, I don't think you need to have some specific definitive number to say whether or not something is creepy.

That's odd because in the post I quoted, you know, this one:

Well thinking it's cool an almost 50 year old man looking for "barely legal" porn is cool is certainly a take.

The "definitive number" for you is pretty explicitly 32. You think it's unacceptable for people to be sexually aroused by adults 32 years younger than them. You weren't talking about a general "something" you were specifically talking about sexual arousal being creepy because of an age disparity. Why dance around it now?

The fuck is different between underage and "underage"? You said it was explained to me in great detail, but I really don't get the difference.

Then perhaps you should go back and read the explanation of it you were given? I understand, we're all thread sharks and cant read backwards in the thread or we'll die.

The allegations against Randy include pedophilia so no, nothing like THQ.

No they don't.
 

Bird

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Dec 7, 2017
341
Florida
Browsing Twitter shows that lots of alt right people are spreading the pedo rumor. Unless any proof appears, I'm gonna assume it's another Gunn situation and the people spreading it are either marks or malicious.
 
Jun 26, 2018
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I wouldn't mind if Randy distanced himself from the industry as a whole considering him and his company's track record.

I wouldn't however consider that lawsuit against him as fact until it's proven, considering how messy that whole situation is.
 

headspawn

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Oct 27, 2017
14,645
Ehhh.. I'd rather some people step away from the keyboard than him step away from his work.

Such weird mentality that people think their salt shaking should dictate someone elses career, like seriously, lol.
 

Kyle Cross

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Oct 25, 2017
8,476
Then perhaps you should go back and read the explanation of it you were given? I understand, we're all thread sharks and cant read backwards in the thread or we'll die.
Oh, get lost with this attitude. And your Underage vs. "Underage" nonsense. I'm waiting for more information on his allegations as currently it's a single individual making the allegations in a lawsuit, but some of y'all are diving in front of him a little too much.
 

OneBadMutha

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Nov 2, 2017
6,059
Randy shows signs of being a narcissistic sociopath. There is no strong evidence that he's a pedophile...at least not to the public. If you want to protest Gearbox because the owner of the company is a liar and demonstrates social disorders, not going to stop you. Unfortunately I need to inform you all that many high ranking executives and successful business owners are good liars and narcassistic sociopaths and it works into their favor as business people. Investors look for those types of people to run their companies. It's not something that makes me happy but if you're going to protest every company because it's being run by someone like this, you'll be cutting out a lot of companies.
 

Uthred

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Oct 25, 2017
3,567
Oh, get lost with this attitude. And your Underage vs. "Underage" nonsense. I'm waiting for more information on his allegations as currently it's a single individual making the allegations in a lawsuit, but some of y'all are diving in front of him a little too much.

Get lost with the "attitude" that you should read the thread you're taking part in (or in this case remember the parts you participated in)? It's almost impressive to see such a clear example of literal wilful ignorance.

Here's the relevant explanation in post #81 in this thread https://www.resetera.com/threads/sh...rom-borderlands-3.108259/page-2#post-19331272 I mean, you must have read it, you responded to it in post #92. Post #93 and #94 explain it to you again. An exchange you had clearly forgotten by post #191, where you said you "don't get the difference." Yet by #242 you seem to have grasped the difference, or perhaps simply given up on trying to understand it and decided that the explicit use of quotes is, to quote you, "nonsense".
 

Kompis

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Oct 27, 2017
1,021
Calling out people as pedophiles based on rumors is not cool and should not belong on this forum, no matter how much you hate the guy.
 

Kyle Cross

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Oct 25, 2017
8,476
Get lost with the "attitude" that you should read the thread you're taking part in (or in this case remember the parts you participated in)? It's almost impressive to see such a clear example of literal wilful ignorance.

Here's the relevant explanation in post #81 in this thread https://www.resetera.com/threads/sh...rom-borderlands-3.108259/page-2#post-19331272 I mean, you must have read it, you responded to it in post #92. Post #93 and #94 explain it to you again. An exchange you had clearly forgotten by post #191, where you said you "don't get the difference." Yet by #242 you seem to have grasped the difference, or perhaps simply given up on trying to understand it and decided that the explicit use of quotes is, to quote you, "nonsense".
I read the post you mentioned, of course. You seem to have taken my lack of understanding the difference between underage vs. "underage" as me ignoring the post, when in fact no, it just doesn't make sense to me how "underage" being in quotation marks somehow means not underage.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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If I were a dev in the trenches at Gearbox I'd be super pissed about Randy's bullshit and then still continuing to put himself front and center. Dude can't help himself. He's a grifter.
 
Oct 27, 2017
12,238
This is a very, very, very serious accusation. We're talking life sentence jail and throw the key away level here. Is there even a kernel of truth to this?

His ex lawyer filed a suit against him, accusing him of misusing company funds and possessing a USB that contained, according to him, underage pornography. When questioned, Pitchford said that it indeed contained pornography, not underage porn, but 'barely legal' type of porn (girls that are 18 or over, mind you).

There's no proof that has been made public, its his word versus his ex lawyer's. So take that as you will.

There's plenty of reasons to dislike Randy but I would be careful around tagging him as a pedophile because, as you say, it is a very serious accusation.
 

Fart Master

Prophet of Truth
The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
10,332
A dumpster
I take it you missed the incident that involved people from THQ doing an AMA on a site that hosts fucken toddlercon and nothing being done?
Both are shitty but if true the accusations against Randy are far more damning.
That's odd because in the post I quoted, you know, this one:



The "definitive number" for you is pretty explicitly 32. You think it's unacceptable for people to be sexually aroused by adults 32 years younger than them. You weren't talking about a general "something" you were specifically talking about sexual arousal being creepy because of an age disparity. Why dance around it now?



Then perhaps you should go back and read the explanation of it you were given? I understand, we're all thread sharks and cant read backwards in the thread or we'll die.



No they don't.
Yes they do