Should Republicans or people with conservative values be allowed on resetera?
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I can already see a thread appearing on the old place, "Era wants to ban people who aren't left extremists!".
Im glad I already broke out of the blind Republican/Conservative upbringing I was raised in because shit like this thread would have turned me into one of those hardline loons real quick.
you can't join era unless you can recite all of karl marx's work by heart
No, that would be terrible. How can Robot Nixon return to his rightful power if he doesn't know where to go?
Conservativism differs from country to country and people support centre right parties for reasons that while are disagreeable, are not worthy of censorship and banishment from polite discourse.
Again, bigotry, hate and the like is banned, people can be on the right, especially economically and not support any of this and they shouldn't be banned from existing here merely because of a political compass being different.
Fiscal conservatism and social liberalism is common in Europe.
Most people who identify as the above would support equality, oppose racism and bigotry yet question government's role in society.
I'd disagree with them but wouldn't ban them because of this.
Yes, leftist discourse is famously homogeneous and nobody ever argues.
There are a LOT of posters in Gaming who handwave minority issues away or call minority representation 'forced diversity' or infringing upon the devs' creative vision or whatever.
Come on lol. You can't do this. What are you gonna do, have a quiz on people's morals with a pass grade to sign up?
Not to mention, you can be conservative on some topics and liberal on others.
I am more left wing than anybody I know but even I know not every conservative is a piece of shit, even if it seems that way at times.
Also, that would just reduce ResetEra to being even more of an echo chamber than it is.
Engaging with people with different opinions to you is how you learn to understand them, and how they learn to understand you. Without such discourse, the divides would rapidly increase.
Not to mention, you can be conservative on some topics and liberal on others.
I am more left wing than anybody I know but even I know not every conservative is a piece of shit, even if it seems that way at times.
Also, that would just reduce ResetEra to being even more of an echo chamber than it is.
Engaging with people with different opinions to you is how you learn to understand them, and how they learn to understand you. Without such discourse, the divides would rapidly increase.
How do you interact with people in the work place like that? Or even society, sounds like a tough existence to be that hard core about it. Maybe because I'm in a area where it's almost like a 50/50 split so it would mean alienating half the population here?
Please, they're called moderates.
The more things change.
(Quick Edit.) Everyone likes to talk about how Republicans shift the Overton Window to the right, but people also forget it works the otherway around too. Resetera is overall very liberal, so the Overton Window here is very left-shifted. Meaning that this forum's idea of "conservative beliefs" may be extremely skewed. If you start banning people for being conservative, you're going to be banning a lot of people for simply not being extreme leftists that don't check off all the stereotypical extreme-leftist political stance boxes.
I mean you don't need conservatives to have more than one opinion. There are many different factions at every stage of the left - right political spectrum.
Again depends on where you are and what that means.
In the UK the right wing party manifesto still support a minimum wage, full state healthcare, parental pay, and many things that would be considered to the left on the US spectrum.
Yeah, but as someone who once identified as a liberal and always happily voted Democrat, and fucking hated Republicans, I can tell you that kind of dismissive mentality is not just a Trump voter thing.
What is fiscal conservatism? What are their policies and how do they affect minorities and other communities that need support?
Have you seen the Warren VS Bernie threads
We don't need to include conservatives here for us to tear throats out of each other
It isn't hard to disengage from conservatives. You just stop being near them.
Yeah I guess that works if you live in a liberal Haven but most people don't and they live in a area where half the people you have to do business with are Republican
Absolutely, it's always very satisfying when they prove that they're bigots and get themselves banned.
Liberals eat their own.
You can see the car crash coming from a long ways away and we step on the accelerator anyway.
I don't see why not. Whatever the broad term of "conservatism" even means these days, having conservative political values isn't against the rules and as long as they don't break them I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed here. You would never even know if they don't talk about politics anyway, it's not like you're going to have to take a political compass quiz to sign up any time soon and I would bet there are quite a few already here that keep their heads down whenever politics come up.
On that note though I don't really see what they would get out of being here, I would think it would be more frustrating than not as politics are common place on the gaming side and even more so on etcera and pretty much any sign of conservatism will get dog-piled pretty quickly even if no rule breaking occurred (not saying this is a bad thing, just that I don't think it would be fun) - hell, I'm most certainly a lefty and even I have to take a break from the political discussions on here at least a few times a month due to frustration.
On that note though I don't really see what they would get out of being here, I would think it would be more frustrating than not as politics are common place on the gaming side and even more so on etcera and pretty much any sign of conservatism will get dog-piled pretty quickly even if no rule breaking occurred (not saying this is a bad thing, just that I don't think it would be fun) - hell, I'm most certainly a lefty and even I have to take a break from the political discussions on here at least a few times a month due to frustration.
Hey, if subreddits dedicated to porn don't allow it...
A gaming forum should have people that enjoy games in it, regardless of political opinion.
If they want to go to the off-topic forum and discuss their opinion, they should be allowed to do that too. If you are someone who hates conservatives, the last thing you should want is them believing they are being persecuted, as it confirms all the lies they are fed.
If they want to go to the off-topic forum and discuss their opinion, they should be allowed to do that too. If you are someone who hates conservatives, the last thing you should want is them believing they are being persecuted, as it confirms all the lies they are fed.
Defeating the war on Christmas, supporting the troops, standing for the flag, not seeing color
So if anyone has any leaning in any policy that is more to the right you would exclude these people? If so that is silly impo.
I am polite to people in work and in public, regardless of their political beliefs - unless they're a Nazi. But I will not actively spend time with conservatives if I can choose not to. I won't harass them about their beliefs or #cancel them. But it's unlikely I would actively seek friendship with them when their beliefs are not only completely opposite of my own (a Marx-reading socialist), but they also might hold views that put me or my friends at risk.
Austerity for a start.
One I passionately oppose because the losers are those who can't either cope without the removed support or don't have a voice to oppose it.
However the arguments against such a policy isn't to ban anyone who argues for it, but to show why such policies are harmful and the real people such ideas, usually framed as being "fiscally responsible" are short sighted, cause extra spending in other areas (reducing children's spending causes higher youth crime, causing higher police spending) and are a false economic argument.
As someone who opposes such policies, I'm not arrogant enough to say that anyone who disagrees with me should be silenced and not welcome to express their views as such policy is not outside of the norm within pretty much any normal political discourse.
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