The better question for this thread is what would your country do if Wyoming became an independent nation-state with control of 1/3 of the American nuclear arsenal?
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Should the United States of America be broken up?
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There are a lot of crazy threads here lately.
I always shit on dumb Star Wars threads, but we need something dumb for people to talk about. That is preferable to this.
Fuck the South. Let it burn after we take away all those military bases, defense contractors, the interstates, NASA (filled with scientists from the North because our schools don't fucking suck suck) and SNAP/Medicaid/SSI benefits that we are disproportionately paying for while you call yourselves 'the real America.' The Great Lakes are ours and when the Water Wars start, you're not getting a drop.
(You can take Indiana though.)
(You can take Indiana though.)
oh yes the poor Netherlands, Austria, Luxemburg, Sweden, Finnland, Belgium.
If Trumpism continues past his presidency and blue states continually get shafted like they have been, they might start to wonder what the point of the Union is, especially since the often contribute most to the federal budget. I don't think it's in the cards right now, but if we keep going like this for another 4 to 8 years then I think it might be a possibility.
It should. United States is taking in free money because the internal order revolves around it. The entire world is financing their irresponsible behaviour with no balance in check. Most of the world power is vested in a single nation, and as everyone can see it only takes one bad president to take the world into the chaos.
That's not a good excuse for all the horrid shit the US has and continues to do to other countries.
The world is not in chaos. Let's get some perspective here. If not the United States it's going to be somebody else anchoring the global economy. And you're not going to like them either.
You're right of course. The history of Queen Elizabeths is spotty at best
Yeah, definitely not willingly giving unfettered control of any portion of our current military to Trumpet morons. What do you think crazy people with no grasp of reality will do with nuclear weapons and drones?
Really "own the libs", that's for sure. We're going to have to fight before the U.S. breaks up because we'd sure as shit have to fight after (and it would be even worse then).
Really "own the libs", that's for sure. We're going to have to fight before the U.S. breaks up because we'd sure as shit have to fight after (and it would be even worse then).
If you see those actions as preventing World War III then they become much more palatable.
There would be a mass redistribution of people (in particular minorities) right before anything is solidified.
The US splitting up is logistically impossible with a nationalized military that operates within state borders.
Each seceding state's capital would be seized by the end of the day. Plus, would you really want military rule with Trump as the truly ultimate authority?
Each seceding state's capital would be seized by the end of the day. Plus, would you really want military rule with Trump as the truly ultimate authority?
This forum is hilarious.
You're so anti-state rights but now want states to succeed and form their own country?
This shit wouldn't be this bad if it wasn't for the consolidation of power into the federal level that's dems(and now the GOP) been pushing for, for decades.
Well this is what happens when you have a crazy maniac as president. When Obama was president, we tried to explain to you why over stepping the bounds of the executive branch was not a good idea cause Obama will not always be president. There will always be the next guy and you might not like the next guy.
You're so anti-state rights but now want states to succeed and form their own country?
This shit wouldn't be this bad if it wasn't for the consolidation of power into the federal level that's dems(and now the GOP) been pushing for, for decades.
Well this is what happens when you have a crazy maniac as president. When Obama was president, we tried to explain to you why over stepping the bounds of the executive branch was not a good idea cause Obama will not always be president. There will always be the next guy and you might not like the next guy.
I have family that would love nothing more than to split off and have Trump become their lifetime president. Wish I could give them that.
Well, I'm sure some do. I don't think propping up dictators, rigging elections, funding and arming right wing extremists to fight proxy wars, and straight up carrying out coups and assassinations as anything but bringing the world ever closer to another WW, but that won't be accepted by anyone who already drank the imperialism kool-aid a billion years ago.
Wyoming is completely landlocked and has around 500 thousand people. They're not becoming a nation-state. lol
Imagine being a young professional in Charlotte, Atlanta, or Miami or being a out-of-state college student at Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, or Gatech and reading a headline about secession. Clusterfuck.
I'm starting to think of all sorts of dumb scenarios that pro-secessionists probably don't even give a shit about. Starting to imagine deadbeats escaping to another state(country?) to avoid paying child support and shit
Not fair to Illinois which is also a hardcore blue state.
I hope so.The state of California and it's people are the only ones I really give a damn about. Over the past 3 years I just can't seem to care about what happens to the rest of the country anymore.
That being said there's no non messy way to do it, and the only way to legally do it is through constitutional amendment. Good luck with that endeavor.
I think a better goal would be to see how far states can ignore the federal government. Concentrate power back to state governments then find a way to pay less and less federal taxes and keep it within state coffers. If CA can stop financially supporting the Union, that's the next best thing to actual secession.
That being said there's no non messy way to do it, and the only way to legally do it is through constitutional amendment. Good luck with that endeavor.
I think a better goal would be to see how far states can ignore the federal government. Concentrate power back to state governments then find a way to pay less and less federal taxes and keep it within state coffers. If CA can stop financially supporting the Union, that's the next best thing to actual secession.
Anyone who thinks the States should break off has clearly not done any research in the subject. I remember a section of my college economics class was about how our states work in conjunction with each other to basically fulfill HUGE amounts of trade that allows our economy to (usually) be such a power house. No state has the infrastructure in place to support itself and most states don't actually make enough tax revenue to support themselves without federal funding. There are a few states that MIGHT (and I mean might) be able to pull it off, namely California, but even then it would be a huge undertaking and a large gamble.
For some fun reading about what happens when a State tries to leave the Union google the "Republic of Texas"
For some fun reading about what happens when a State tries to leave the Union google the "Republic of Texas"
That's depressing way to examine America.
States! Build those walls!!
Why? Because someone on a message board came up with a silly hypothetical?
That didn't stop Switzerland, although your population looks more like the Maldives
It really hasn't. It's the Covid-19 which is putting stress on the system. The UK leaving has little to do with it.
Ok, now give me a list of them so I can have a comparison laugh
"My population"? I don't know why it's my population.
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My bad, I thought you were having a joke at your own expense.
I will say that while talks of secession are premature, you all do know there is a future in which the United States doesn't exist as an entity. I'm sure the kingdom of Mali, the Roman empire, the Mughal dynasty, and more modern states like the USSR all at one point that they would endure till time indefinite. We are just constrained as denizens of the past to imagine it happening, especially at a rapid pace.
There's nothing stopping us from forming compacts or voting blocs without having to break up the country. Look at how the western states and the northeast have banded together for this virus, that could be a permanent thing- states helping out other similar states. Purposeful coordination between similar ideologies.
This one was smart enough to spike their own OP with EU talk to keep the thread alive until the US day shift could take it from there.
I guess distance helps discussing these nihilistic scenarios because conceptually, it doesn't sound as bad as fucking over common people and upending their lives, as cataclysmic changes tend to.
Has anyone else noticed the OP laid this stinker of a thread and has abandoned it for 4 hours to talk about the FF7 remake?
Why isn't the OP tending to this dumpster fire?
#AbsenteeFather
But seriously folks, breaking up a world superpower is dumb and should be a last resort for everyone's health and safety, despite the enormous amount of stupid/ evil shit that emanates from us
Why isn't the OP tending to this dumpster fire?
#AbsenteeFather
But seriously folks, breaking up a world superpower is dumb and should be a last resort for everyone's health and safety, despite the enormous amount of stupid/ evil shit that emanates from us
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