Yeah. Tales from Ba Sing Se was an amazing episode, and he really put his best self forward into trying to impress her.
Should Zutara have happened?
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I'm just reiterating my thoughts from my recent watch but like I said how the first season is Aang's crush, the second brings light to Katara returning her feelings - to then dramatically end the season with Aang being faced with condition for his final chakra. The third season though, the focus on their relationship leads more towards Aang becoming possessive of Katara which hit a point of annoying her because that's not where they were yet. There's some transition period into this, Kataraang's dance at the fire academy was great, it was bold and honestly charming of Aang while also showing that he's becoming cocky. But right up to the play recapping the adventures the two are on *bad* terms with Aang steaming jealous because the play ships Zutara (something the show feeds us a few episodes), and Katara (rightfully given his behaviour) doesn't assuage that feeling but ultimately the relationship feels one-sided at that point which it didn't really in season 2. After that they go their separate ways for the final battle, Katara with Zuko, and it just feels like Katara & Aang's ending kiss just came out of nowhere without a make-up part to it.
The conflict itself makes sense, and it had most of the season to develop it. The resolution, not so much. Which is sad for someone who was all aboard Katarang up through the first 2 seasons, I was looking forward to the realization of their romantic feelings but it was all mess and I don't get to really see agency from Katara's perspective which the previous season did much better.
I teach a class on book publishing and I did a session on fan fiction...I brought this up and many students told me how disappointed they were in how this played out. People were really annoyed lol
The only thing I remember about this movie is that they did a crossover with The Apprentice where people had to create a marketing campaign for the movie and stage a publicity event.I mean it was bad I guess
Half the fucking teams spelled the name wrong.
I voted yes, saw this post, and recast my vote.
Tea girl is endgame. Mai was not a good pair for him either.
Thinking about this some more, I have to ask people to look past the "Enemies to Lovers" trope fixations and actually examine their interactions over the course of the series;
- Zuko, the crown prince of her people's oppressors, leads an army to invade her village threatening violence if they don't surrender the avatar they believe is hiding there.
- Proceeds to spend the entirety of first season doggedly pursuing them.
- In the season 1 finale beats her unconscious to kidnap Aang.
- Spends the first half of season 2 doggedly pursuing them again.
- Season 2 they seemingly finally have a heart to heart only for Zuko to immediately betray her trust and assist in Azula almost killing Aang.
- Zuko changes sides during the half way point of the final season but by this point after everything he's done, Katara wants nothing to do with Zuko.
- Near the climax of the series, Katara finally makes peace over her resentment towards Zuko after finally coming to terms with her trauma of her mother's death.
Zuko and Katara is definitely an interesting written story on learning to actually forgive someone who hurt you, but relationship goals? Nah.
It really is mate like it's pretty clear in season 3 something is developing.
Again might as well say if you watch Witch from Mercury and never say Suletta and Mio as romantic
I'll go out on a limb and say "I get it." Like I definitely read their relationship as romantic but at the same time I was skeptical if they were actually going to go all the way with it given the timeframe.
But on the other end the writing of the Gang in Korra was pretty bad in retrospect. Both Mako and Bolin were pretty lacking as characters and Asami ironically became the stock love interest for Korra much in the way Mako was for her in the first season. This is another pairing the fandom did way more to add and give chemistry than the show actually did.
They very explicitly made fun of that idea in an episode in order to hammer home that there very explicitly wasn't anything between them.
"I've had eyes for you since the day you first captured me. ❤️"
They were genuinely just platonic friends.
They very explicitly made fun of that idea in an episode in order to hammer home that there very explicitly wasn't anything between them.
"I've had eyes for you since the day you first captured me. ❤️"
They were genuinely just platonic friends.
Reyes is talking about Korra and Asami
I feel like we're just going back and forth. So let me just say this. In WfM Suletta and Miorine are engaged in the first episode and the series as a whole centers on them and their relationship. Their respective character arcs are dependent on one another and their influence on each other is felt even when they're separated. You could watch the ending credits and tell that their relationship is meant to be interpreted romantically.
In contrast, Korra and Asami's relationship is more ambivalent. They spend a lot of season 3 together but the writers don't really have them connect on an emotional level. This isn't exclusive to them because I think the chemistry of the Korra gang as as a whole was really lacking. It's an aspect of the show that isn't very well developed.
They very explicitly made fun of that idea in an episode in order to hammer home that there very explicitly wasn't anything between them.
"I've had eyes for you since the day you first captured me. ❤️"
They were genuinely just platonic friends.
I am just wanna quote you because "The Ember Island Players" is probably the best Recap Episode in history and one of my favorites of all time lol
"should" have happened? No. That's obviously not where the show was going, and it would have been dumb. In a fanfic or reboot or something, go right ahead, I never liked kataang anyway
It's amazing and a masterclass in pre-endgame "breather" episodes.
I'm assuming almost all of us here were teenagers back when this show originally aired.
It also became prophetic with the movie that came out a few years later.
Yes. THERE ARE DOZENS OF US--
--fuck okay this is a good point
You realize most of us were watching this show as it aired at like 11-14 right?
"looks at the Miraculous fandom and the love square"
I do find it very odd but understandable when we were younger and growing up with Avatar..nowdays though yeah it feels a bit questionable to me
I've only seen the movie but like, isn't the show literally just about Cat Noir and Lady Bug's will they won't they relationship? What else could people possibly be invested in romance wise?
They would still exist because enemies to lovers is incredibly popular but I agree that there wouldn't be as many. I think of lot of shippers saw Zuko as the "hot" option and went with that.
Agreed. The hating on shipping or any female dominated fan activity can be a lot and pretty ignorant.
I made a positive thread about Good Omens (and it's ship) that got no traction. :( And that one is actually enemies to lovers done incredibly well. (Okay, they were never really enemies. More like work for competing organizations.)
No one cares about posting in shipping topics unless they themselves are shippers or there is controversy around the ship. This is true for most topics about fiction and fandom
I think this completely misunderstands who was doing the shipping. It was mostly preteen and teenage girls who saw Zuko as a more compelling (and attractive) option for their fantasies. Nothing about treating Katara as a prize. If anything, Katara felt more like a self-insert with which to write about Zuko. (To be fair, I read very few Zutara fics 'cause I was a Kataang shipper so I could be completely off base.)
Fair enough. Although there is controversy around that ship (mostly from homophobes) but probably not as much (or as open) here.
That'd be the thing. Plus Good Omens isn't as universal for this demographic as AtLA. I, for example, love the book but haven't gotten around to the show and there are so few characters in the book that who else is anyone going to ship beyong Crowley and Aziraphale?
Personally, I have one ship (Bruce and Selina) and opinions on relationships as they pertain to the fiction I enjoy (Choji and Karui is the best pair in Naruto because it's not just pairing literally everyone who knew each other in high school), but here I am in the Zutara topic because even on the peripheral of the fandom at the time, I got caught in the crossfire of that ship-to-ship combat.
That was me. Katara was a rare dark-skinned female character I could use as a self-insert. And Zuko was cute and well-written while Aang was little brother tier.People need to understand the angle a lot of shippers come from.
Did you know that Aang and Katara's second to last interaction before fighting Ozai was her being mad at him for telling her not to go after the guy who killed her mom? And then when she comes back without a body count, he seems thrilled and thought she took his advice to forgave the guy only for her to counter that she didn't. Their last one was Aang forcing a kiss on her when Katara wasn't in the mood. Like, why toss in a "Will they? Won't they?" when you're so close to the finish line?
Yeah, it's a bit Twilight-ish where a bunch of old dudes complain in a bubble about something that was primarily popular with teenage girls. Not to say there can't be any discussion reflecting on why certain types of ships got popular, but it'll never go anywhere beyond gossiping from a distance if you don't have the people who were in that headspace heavily involved.
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Thinking on it, I am super consistent with my support of healthy (relative to the available options) relationships, because I will cut a Bruce/Talia mother fucker if I haveta.
The only ship that I hold close to my heart is Darius and Heinkel from FMA.
As for this ship, the answer is no lol. There would *probably* be more than a 0% chance of there being a more friendly connection between them, but whatever feelings she had when she actually opened up a bit and tried to connect with him were immediately destroyed after he proceeded to betray them all so thoroughly and become partially responsible for Aang (temporarily) dying.
Now him taking a lightning shot for her was a noble thing (funny that Azula is the one pulling the trigger both times), but I don't think she'd ever put herself out like that emotionally for him anytime soon.
Enemies/lovers shippers will endure regardless, so have at it. It *is* funny seeing all the decade old arguments come back through a new generation when the series hit streaming a while back haha
As for this ship, the answer is no lol. There would *probably* be more than a 0% chance of there being a more friendly connection between them, but whatever feelings she had when she actually opened up a bit and tried to connect with him were immediately destroyed after he proceeded to betray them all so thoroughly and become partially responsible for Aang (temporarily) dying.
Now him taking a lightning shot for her was a noble thing (funny that Azula is the one pulling the trigger both times), but I don't think she'd ever put herself out like that emotionally for him anytime soon.
Enemies/lovers shippers will endure regardless, so have at it. It *is* funny seeing all the decade old arguments come back through a new generation when the series hit streaming a while back haha
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How do you feel about Gotham War?
Hell no. The actual romance of Aang and Katara was hardly a highlight of the series, being highly underdeveloped, but at least there was something there. As opposed to demanding a romance based on two characters being deemed to look nice next to each other in a DeviantArt banner.
How hard is it to understand that people were invested in these romances when they were the same age as the characters. Y'all are purposely being obtuse.
Not in love with that but it was better then getting Bruce and Barbra Gordon.
That has nothing to do with comics
(Technically presented in a comic, but it was made by the TV show team and set in the tv show 'verse)