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ciddative

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Getting some mixed messages here. I'm gonna wait and get some more perspectives before shouting a verdict or being needlessly confrontational.
 
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TGA gave the award Kirby won to the fucking CEO of the America branch, rather than the devs of who worked on it. Or even the individuals who produced or directed it.

I only watched because I wanted a Deck & wanted to see more XVI/T8. Treating this award show as anything other than an advertising block, is silly.

Thar seems like an issue with either Nintendo or just the devs were unable to be there, not malice on the part of The Game Awards.
 

MattB

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Who said I was blaming TGA for that?
You said TGA gave the award to NoA CEO as apposed to the devs. When in reality the devs didn't travel from Japan to accept it. Doesn't mean they aren't gonna get it.
Your post in context to this thread makes it seem like it's TGA fault for this.
 
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Cow Mengde

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The show has an ongoing history of being problematic and shitty, so you have some goddamn nerve attempting to frame somebody's repeated complaints about it as being in "bad faith." You're not slick.

I did jump the gun with writing dev in the title, so that's my fault. I only paid more attention this year out of curiosity for a Steam Deck so I was more active in TGA threads.
 

ToddBonzalez

The Pyramids? That's nothing compared to RDR2
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Who said I was blaming TGA for that?


"Maybe" is doing some pretty heavy lifting here, man.
Yeah, we simply don't know. You are painting Nintendo as not wanting the devs there ("simple as that" as you claim). When we actually have no evidence that's the case. I'm just pointing out that there are other very reasonable possibilities for why they were not there.
 

Temperance

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Interesting that it didn't happen to everyone. Wonder if Geoff will respond to comment.

"Conspiracy" implies that there's something going on behind the scenes. This isn't that complex.

If Nintendo wanted someone from the dev team there, they would be. They didn't. Simple as that.
This Geoff conspiracy goes deep, follow the money.
 

haziq

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You said TGA gave the award to NoA CEO as apposed to the devs. When in reality the devs didn't travel from Japan to accept it. Doesn't mean they aren't gonna get it.
Your post in context to this thread makes it seem like it's TGA fault for this.
I was pointing out the optics, which fits the context of a thread about a dev being forced to remove a pro-union pin at an award show that's *supposed* to be celebrating the accomplishments of the talent who designed these games.

And the optics are mostly on Nintendo, because as I said, if Nintendo wanted the devs to be there, they would be. But after how the show ended, TGA certainly doesn't look good here either.
 

MattB

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Oct 25, 2017
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I was pointing out the optics, which fits the context of a thread about a dev being forced to remove a pro-union pin at an award show that's *supposed* to be celebrating the accomplishments of the talent who designed these games.

And the optics are mostly on Nintendo, because as I said, if Nintendo wanted the devs to be there, they would be. But after how the show ended, TGA certainly doesn't look good here either.
But if you noticed everyone that had responded to your original post thought the same as me.

I agree the Kirby devs should've been there and that's on Nintendo.
 

The Boat

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A thread about a potential anti union attitude (although it seems like it might be an understanding) and some people are worried about Japanese developers not flying to the USA for the possibility of getting a small award.
 

scare_crow

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Oct 28, 2017
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Yup. I'd wait to see who else would confirm.
Folks really need to stop taking a single tweet as the entire situation. Factor it in, sure, but things get so quickly overblown and hyper aggressive when a single experience is made representative of the whole.

(And no, whatever pins were taken shouldn't have been.)
 

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TGA gave the award Kirby won to the fucking CEO of the America branch, rather than the devs of who worked on it. Or even the individuals who produced or directed it.

I only watched because I wanted a Deck & wanted to see more XVI/T8. Treating this award show as anything other than an advertising block, is silly.
Nintendo of America president always accepts the awards. Blame Nintendo for not making sure the devs are there. That's not the fault of the TGAs.
 

Phendrift

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Oct 25, 2017
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TGA gave the award Kirby won to the fucking CEO of the America branch, rather than the devs of who worked on it. Or even the individuals who produced or directed it.

I only watched because I wanted a Deck & wanted to see more XVI/T8. Treating this award show as anything other than an advertising block, is silly.
I can absolutely comprehend a scenario in which the Kirby devs did not want to fly all the way to America to receive a best family game award that wasn't even handed out during the show but rattled off on a list for 2 seconds lol.

There is no conspiracy here
 

Abrasion Test

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Oct 27, 2017
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Nintendo of America president always accepts the awards. Blame Nintendo for not making sure the devs are there. That's not the fault of the TGAs.
IDK how this reflects badly on anyone involved at all. If Nintendo devs don't want to travel across the planet for an awards show in the off chance of winning a minor category where they are competing against themselves...how can you blame them?
 

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IDK how this reflects badly on anyone involved at all. If Nintendo devs don't want to travel across the planet for an awards show in the off chance of winning a minor category where they are competing against themselves...how can you blame them?
I mean it's only Nintendo published games that really have this though. I find it hard to believe a developer from any of those studios that have won recently would've minded sending one of their own.
 

BDrummer1606

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I feel like we've gone full blown conspiracy theorist here. I mean, did security call out they couldn't wear it because it was pro union? Or because it was a pin? There were other people allowed in with the pro union pin. There needs to be more facts before everyone jumps on the torches and pitchforks.
 

Devil

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Oct 25, 2017
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What's with all the jumping to conclusions in here? This could easily be an individual mistake of a security guard and not someone enforcing a "no union solidarity rule". Especially after other tweets saying they were allowed to wear the pin. I'll get my pitchfork out as soon as anything devious is confirmed. Until then, chill. Some harsh words for something we have no clue about.
 

Temperance

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I feel like we've gone full blown conspiracy theorist here. I mean, did security call out they couldn't wear it because it was pro union? Or because it was a pin? There were other people allowed in with the pro union pin. There needs to be more facts before everyone jumps on the torches and pitchforks.
This is not time or place for waiting, we need action.
 
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Cow Mengde

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Sure, I think I might have jumped the gun a bit since others are saying security wasn't removing theirs. A mod can lock unless there's more evidence of this being widespread.
 

cowboyjosh

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It's very common at televised events to forbid pins, buttons, tee-shirts with logos, etc. because they don't want the camera to pan past someone with a "NINTENDO SUCKS" button or some political crap and have that be part of their broadcast. I don't know anything about the specifics in this case but IMO Occam's razor points to some security personnel enforcing a directive like that with more vigor than others.
 

Stath

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I am confused. Why do people want to hate the game awards?
1 unsourced tweet stating that they had to remove a pro-union pin by request of security when entering. Everyone needs to breath.

Reply #20:
Check this thread.

www.resetera.com

There isn't a single woman or non-binary person on this list of "eligible twitch drops" channels for The Game Awards

Yup. I was originally going to joke about Geoff inviting Hitler to the TGA next year in this thread, but I thought it might have been too mean and bad taste. Then the show ends with this.

And another quote from somebody with the right perspective here:

I've been fuck the game awards and fuck fake ass Geoff keighley for a long time and even if this didn't happen, nothing changes for me
 

bshark

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Jun 25, 2018
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Has Geoff made any statements yet, outside of the silly arrested tweet?

I get it, he's probably waking up today, just laughing while looking at his bank account, but he's absolutely lost credibility due to this 'show'.
 

Raspyberry

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Oct 25, 2017
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Who the fuck does that benefit? Why Geoff? So much for caring about games and the people behind them. Vapid hype man.
It was always gross. So many cringe moments like talking about Kevin Conroy's death and then going into old spice. Geoff was more sincere talking about sponsors than he was about anything else.

Taking away people's union pins is bad taste and anti worker.
 

never

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Oct 28, 2017
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This seems like some Bari Weiss levels of reporting going on here…

Like there's clearly reasonable non conspiracy reasons a security person might tell someone to ditch a pin, or even just one security person being a dick,
but half this thread is people assuming this was what some type of Keighley ordered gotcha to union bust or something?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Has Geoff made any statements yet, outside of the silly arrested tweet?

I get it, he's probably waking up today, just laughing while looking at his bank account, but he's absolutely lost credibility due to this 'show'.

He doesn't care and has never cared. He cares about keeping sponsors happy, corporations happy and his bank account happy. He is the epitome of a corporate shill and he will tow the line at all times.
 

Minthara

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Reply #20:


And another quote from somebody with the right perspective here:

You left out the part where in addition to Asmongold, the Game Awards also gave Twitch drops to someone accused of sending a woman porn against her will and being a creep - instead of giving them to a woman or someone non-binary.
 

FliX

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Oct 25, 2017
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We can have this discussion if it can be corroborated by more than just one random tweet.
 
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