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[spoilers] So what's this about dating/romancing an 11-year old girl in the new Fire Emblem Engage?
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Battle Network has some crazy dialog.
You gotta see the rap scene from Battle Network 2.
I can answer that just from the localized C rank conversation. The entire support conversation starts with Anna lamenting how boring lover's day is because it's the same kind of gifts every year, and she sees big money potential in making a new kind of gift that is unique. If you swap lover's day for any other holiday, the support line would be a very basic "merchant character wants to think of a new way to make money" support line.
Omw with the promise ring to talk to my 11 year old "friend" to ambiguously say "It's too soon to be lovers... but we can be partners!"
IM SORRY BUT COME ON GUYS
Is the mc of this game Matt Gaetz? Why the fuck are you even having a conversation with an 11 year old
Yep. I'm personally over the wink-wink plausible deniability though. Yes, you can argue that the original dialogue was platonic; but you'd be intellectually dishonest to dismiss the obvious inferences someone could draw. Especially in a series with 1,000 year old dragons.
Why couldn't they just either leave Anna at A support level or turn her into a protege who wants to capitalize off of her friend's fame? And also age her (and everyone else) up.
Every single JRPG would be better if everyone's stated ages were increased by 5.
It boggles the mind that IntSys thought the best way to bring recurring fan favorite character Anna back was to turn her into a literal child.
But then I remember that these are the same writers who made the canon romance in Fire Emblem Fates an incestuous relationship. They should not be writing major video games.
Yo wtf. I was joking before about the cousins before but the devs actually wanted to do that?
They wanted to and did. Azura's mom was Corrin's mother's sister. But it's okay because they didn't know. /s
Apparently the official art book retconned them as "sisters in spirit" but they're still descended from the same lineage.
This is stupid, but I'm not surprised because Fates was only like, three mainline games ago and that game had zero problem setting up pseudo-incest pairings in both versions for your player character.
Yep and even looking at a proper translation its so obviously intended to be ambiguous so if the player wants to role play as a pedophile they can comfortably do so
And then in the third storyline it LITERALLY gives you an incest relationship by retconning in the fact that Corrin and Azura are related.
Seriously i'm sick of those people not playing fire emblem and thinking we play those games because we are creepy peoples.
Anna is my favourite character in the whole franchise (she's the chocobo of fire emblem) and i don't understand why she's not on smash bros lol.
But i won"t have a S support with her. No.
And i'm glad there was censorship about it in Engage.
But stop thinking fire emblem is about dating waifu. I'm so sick of reading this.
I really think there is some kind of conspiracy by some "gamers" who don't like the fact that fire emblem is succesful. There was a french journalist (Ken Bogard) who said "nintendo should ve killed fire emblem ten years ago and used that money for making a new fzero or kid icarus game"
sick of this.
Anna is my favourite character in the whole franchise (she's the chocobo of fire emblem) and i don't understand why she's not on smash bros lol.
But i won"t have a S support with her. No.
And i'm glad there was censorship about it in Engage.
But stop thinking fire emblem is about dating waifu. I'm so sick of reading this.
I really think there is some kind of conspiracy by some "gamers" who don't like the fact that fire emblem is succesful. There was a french journalist (Ken Bogard) who said "nintendo should ve killed fire emblem ten years ago and used that money for making a new fzero or kid icarus game"
sick of this.
Ah this makes sense now. Yeah I'll be skipping this game like I did Fates.
Don't forget how you can make a bunch of cousin incest pairings between the kids units by messing around with the Royal Siblings couples
I will say that the idea that "everyone should be older" or that there shouldn't be kids is kind of weird, because it suggests that the existence of kids is innately a sexual thing for the audience, which they really shouldn't be. Kids exist everywhere. They're a state of human life. They shouldn't be weird. Similarly, young people exist and a lot of them play games.
What's bad isn't the presence of kids or young people, it's creators that aren't responsible enough to decide that even if they've decided above pandering to otaku audiences, they shouldn't pander in a way that normalizes real world harmful behaviour.
What's bad isn't the presence of kids or young people, it's creators that aren't responsible enough to decide that even if they've decided above pandering to otaku audiences, they shouldn't pander in a way that normalizes real world harmful behaviour.
I think some people dislike the concept of children in Fire Emblem because it is inherently a absurd notion to bring a child to life or death battles like this. I don't agree but I get it.
This is all true! But even in a fantasy setting, this is about war, and while I'll accept like, a Rickon-like sorcerer's apprentice… I also don't want to have teenagers fighting battles? And, since this is Fire Emblem, the eventual Dark Dragon God or whoever the big bad turns out being?
I'm sure that someone could make a compelling story about magical warfare that also involved love blooming on the battlefield, and also have minor characters involved in the fray somehow. IntSys ain't it. So, adults across the board please.
Shouldn't this ire be directed at the devs, not people reading actual dialogue and forming an opinion?
Would be interesting to know how the other languages (french, german etc.) handled this. Unless they're not using the japanese script as base but the english one.
Why is the outrage always directed at the people criticizing it rather than the people who actually make the game
Wouldn't it be more productive to actually push back against this seeping into the series, of all things
This is a silly post. No one's "excusing" anything. The thread is about comparing the original text and the localization. The context is literally the original text that someone found and translated.
This is stupid. Context doesn't mean an excuse, it's a basic requirement of understanding basically any situation. We shouldn't be demonizing the idea of understanding the thing that we're concerned about.
Idk how the FE games do it but... Ummm... You guys know that cousin marriage is a cultural and religious thing that happens in parts of the world right?
en.wikipedia.org
Cousin marriage in the Middle East - Wikipedia
Oh well then it's okay, close the thread mods!Idk how the FE games do it but... Ummm... You guys know that cousin marriage is a cultural and religious thing that happens in parts of the world right?
Cousin marriage in the Middle East - Wikipedia
I mean, it's not typical of the series, but one of the more criticized entries was really into the brother sister thing, along with a face petting video game.Idk how the FE games do it but... Ummm... You guys know that cousin marriage is a cultural and religious thing that happens in parts of the world right?
Cousin marriage in the Middle East - Wikipedia
Other games have a "why are an option?" among a relatively normal set of romance options. In one game you can romance the person that helped your mom deliver you and well as the God that lives inside you, but we ignore that because the game has a decent amount of good options.
But I definitely miss when the games didn't even bother and everything was preset and it wasn't a romance simulator.
Getting someone to provide a proper full translation is in fact exactly the kind of context we need in situations like this. Especially when it's not actually excusing it.
Brother sister marriage is frowned upon in most cultures and common religions, so I fully get that, but I was just sensing that people here might not be aware that cousin marriage is not only something that happens in Muslim countries here, but it's very much encouraged. Like almost everytime someone is looking to get married the first 3-4 people introduced to them by their family as possible candidates are their different cousins. It's that common and it's 100% a cultural and religious thing.
Judging by some of the posts here, it looked like people were under the impression that the more western view of the relationship between cousins is the norm everywhere, which is why I brought it up in the first place to show that there are other views on this in large communities around the world. Ofc, if people (not talking about you specifically) think their cultural view on the matter should be treated as the absolute correct one, then feel free to ignore my post.
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I think the point is, your point isn't all that relevant to THIS series, or this thread, like at all. There's nothing to even compare it to. Like there's no "oh, this is what they're going for".
Yeah the fact this shit still gets approved in Japan is so fucking disgusting, I know it's a different culture and all that but there's certain boundaries...
Even with the added context it's way too sus imo :/
That's fair. I said it in my og post that idk how FE does it since I haven't played those games. I just felt that people were under the impression that cousin marriage is some gross thing (from their view) that happens in creepy games/media, which isn't true.
On the actual topic of this thread, I've made my stance pretty clear in my past posts. This shit is super gross and needs to be stopped.
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The translation on original panel #3 is not correct. 大切な人 just means important person, not specifically a romantically involved significant other. Kinda hard to really judge without seeing the whole scene.
edit: Didn't see another poster found the whole scene, seems fairly innocuous with the added lines.
edit: Didn't see another poster found the whole scene, seems fairly innocuous with the added lines.
Fire Emblem has been a pillar Nintendo franchise since 1990, it's been otaku bait for a very long time. It just didn't get localised forever because they didn't think it'd sell.
Everytime I see Battle Network I'm reminded that THIS is what I want from Pokemon. In terms of the tone of the story and comedy, in terms of the difficulty. Ugh, such an underrated series
But FE is FAR older than both series...
I think the ways it's intended to appeal to otaku have shifted over the decades. Like yeah, Fire Emblem 4 had romances and kid characters, but very notably the protagonist's romance was set. It wasn't all about appealing to a cavalcade of otaku fanboy fetishes with a candy-colored carousel of fetishbait dateable girls.
This kind of "just blatantly here for the weirdos, anyone else is a bonus" stuff has gotten progressively more egregious ever since the Awakening era started, and ESPECIALLY post-Heroes.
This thread is racist as shit. Cherry picked screenshots posted without context and mistranslated, to perpetuate the idea that Japan makes creepy games for perverts.
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