Battle Network has some crazy dialog.
Thanks!I went ahead and did just this because after seeing all this thrown about, I was curious what the original Japanese was.
Here's a video of the Japanese S-Supports, timestamped to Anna: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh9opqfooRs&t=1952s
A comment: the "too soon to be anybody's lover" is specifically Alear saying 恋人にまだ早くても, which literally is ambiguous to who the subject of "lover" is, but 早い matches Anna's previous comment that "I'm too young for this [lover's day]", so I translated it with the subject being more general rather than have it point to Alear thesmelf.
I can answer that just from the localized C rank conversation. The entire support conversation starts with Anna lamenting how boring lover's day is because it's the same kind of gifts every year, and she sees big money potential in making a new kind of gift that is unique. If you swap lover's day for any other holiday, the support line would be a very basic "merchant character wants to think of a new way to make money" support line.The baffling issue for me is -- why the fuck did they have to choose this context if the conclusion was only supposed to be that they remained friends/business partners. Why frame it as a conversation surrounding "Lover's Day." Why have the 11-yo give Alear a Lover's Day Gift. Why have Alear gift Anna a "Promise Ring" in return? I'm willing to give the writers the benefit of the doubt and have it end in a completely platonic friendship, have Alear only ever see Anna as a child and a friend. But there is so much about this conversation between Alear and Anna that reads unnecessarily romantic.
edit: as others have said, this reads a lot like it was intended to be the start of a romantic relationship, or a partnership that eventually led to marriage that at some point they changed to "actually all of these are now friendships."
Yep. I'm personally over the wink-wink plausible deniability though. Yes, you can argue that the original dialogue was platonic; but you'd be intellectually dishonest to dismiss the obvious inferences someone could draw. Especially in a series with 1,000 year old dragons.I can answer that just from the localized C rank conversation. The entire support conversation starts with Anna lamenting how boring lover's day is because it's the same kind of gifts every year, and she sees big money potential in making a new kind of gift that is unique. If you swap lover's day for any other holiday, the support line would be a very basic "merchant character wants to think of a new way to make money" support line.
Is the mc of this game Matt Gaetz? Why the fuck are you even having a conversation with an 11 year old
Yo wtf. I was joking before about the cousins before but the devs actually wanted to do that?I'll take your word for it. I don't remember romancing anyone in Conquest because finding out the "true pairing" of Corrin and Azura was dev-intended incest disgusted me so much that I just refused to pair Corrin with anyone, lol.
They wanted to and did. Azura's mom was Corrin's mother's sister. But it's okay because they didn't know. /sYo wtf. I was joking before about the cousins before but the devs actually wanted to do that?
It boggles the mind that IntSys thought the best way to bring recurring fan favorite character Anna back was to turn her into a literal child.
But then I remember that these are the same writers who made the canon romance in Fire Emblem Fates an incestuous relationship. They should not be writing major video games.
This is stupid, but I'm not surprised because Fates was only like, three mainline games ago and that game had zero problem setting up pseudo-incest pairings in both versions for your player character.
Ah this makes sense now. Yeah I'll be skipping this game like I did Fates.Yes, this game shares a lot of key staff with Fates, the head writer of Engage was one of Fates' main writers too.
Don't forget how you can make a bunch of cousin incest pairings between the kids units by messing around with the Royal Siblings couplesThis is stupid, but I'm not surprised because Fates was only like, three mainline games ago and that game had zero problem setting up pseudo-incest pairings in both versions for your player character.
I will say that the idea that "everyone should be older" or that there shouldn't be kids is kind of weird, because it suggests that kids are innately sexual, which they really shouldn't be. Kids exist everywhere. They're a state of human life. They shouldn't be weird. Similarly, young people exist and a lot of them play games.
What's bad isn't the presence of kids or young people, it's creators that aren't responsible enough to decide that even if they've decided above pandering to otaku audiences, they shouldn't pander in a way that normalizes real world harmful behaviour.
This is all true! But even in a fantasy setting, this is about war, and while I'll accept like, a Rickon-like sorcerer's apprentice… I also don't want to have teenagers fighting battles? And, since this is Fire Emblem, the eventual Dark Dragon God or whoever the big bad turns out being?I will say that the idea that "everyone should be older" or that there shouldn't be kids is kind of weird, because it suggests that kids are innately sexual, which they really shouldn't be. Kids exist everywhere. They're a state of human life. They shouldn't be weird.
What's bad isn't the presence of kids, it's creators that aren't responsible enough to decide that even if they've decided above pandering to otaku audiences, they shouldn't pander in a way that normalizes real world harmful behaviour.
Shouldn't this ire be directed at the devs, not people reading actual dialogue and forming an opinion?Seriously i'm sick of those people not playing fire emblem and thinking we play those games because we are creepy peoples.
Anna is my favourite character in the whole franchise (she's the chocobo of fire emblem) and i don't understand why she's not on smash bros lol.
But i won"t have a S support with her. No.
And i'm glad there was censorship about it in Engage.
But stop thinking fire emblem is about dating waifu. I'm so sick of reading this.
I really think there is some kind of conspiracy by some "gamers" who don't like the fact that fire emblem is succesful. There was a french journalist (Ken Bogard) who said "nintendo should ve killed fire emblem ten years ago and used that money for making a new fzero or kid icarus game"
sick of this.
Why is the outrage always directed at the people criticizing it rather than the people who actually make the gameSeriously i'm sick of those people not playing fire emblem and thinking we play those games because we are creepy peoples.
Anna is my favourite character in the whole franchise (she's the chocobo of fire emblem) and i don't understand why she's not on smash bros lol.
But i won"t have a S support with her. No.
And i'm glad there was censorship about it in Engage.
But stop thinking fire emblem is about dating waifu. I'm so sick of reading this.
This this thisThe only reason why I'm against localization changes like this is so that shit can be on full view in every region and put on more full blast/have more reason to just not do it in the first place.
This is a silly post. No one's "excusing" anything. The thread is about comparing the original text and the localization. The context is literally the original text that someone found and translated.Really gross to see resetera allowing "thread mark- more context" as if it excuses it
This is stupid. Context doesn't mean an excuse, it's a basic requirement of understanding basically any situation. We shouldn't be demonizing the idea of understanding the thing that we're concerned about.Really gross to see resetera allowing "thread mark- more context" as if it excuses it
Read the thread againReally gross to see resetera allowing "thread mark- more context" as if it excuses it
The bint 'amm marriage, or marriage with one's father's brother's daughter (bint al-'amm) is especially common, especially in tribal and traditional Muslim communities.
Cousin marriage, a form of consanguinity (marriages among couples who are related as second cousins or closer), is allowed and often encouraged throughout the Middle East.
Oh well then it's okay, close the thread mods!Idk how the FE games do it but... Ummm... You guys know that cousin marriage is a cultural and religious thing that happens in parts of the world right?
Cousin marriage in the Middle East - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Really gross to see resetera allowing "thread mark- more context" as if it excuses it
Huh?
I mean, it's not typical of the series, but one of the more criticized entries was really into the brother sister thing, along with a face petting video game.Idk how the FE games do it but... Ummm... You guys know that cousin marriage is a cultural and religious thing that happens in parts of the world right?
Cousin marriage in the Middle East - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Really gross to see resetera allowing "thread mark- more context" as if it excuses it
Brother sister marriage is frowned upon in most cultures and common religions, so I fully get that, but I was just sensing that people here might not be aware that cousin marriage is not only something that happens in Muslim countries here, but it's very much encouraged. Like almost everytime someone is looking to get married the first 3-4 people introduced to them by their family as possible candidates are their different cousins. It's that common and it's 100% a cultural and religious thing.I mean, it's not typical of the series, but one of the more criticized entries was really into the brother sister thing, along with a face petting video game.
Other games have a "why are an option?" among a relatively normal set of romance options. In one game you can romance the person that helped your mom deliver you and well as the God that lives inside you, but we ignore that because the game has a decent amount of good options.
But I definitely miss when the games didn't even bother and everything was preset and it wasn't a romance simulator.
I think the point is, your point isn't all that relevant to THIS series, or this thread, like at all. There's nothing to even compare it to. Like there's no "oh, this is what they're going for".Brother sister marriage is frowned upon in most cultures and common religions, so I fully get that, but I was just sensing that people here might not be aware that cousin marriage is not only something that happens in in Muslim countries here, but it's very much encouraged. Like almost everytime someone is looking to get married the first 3-4 people introduced to them by their family as possible candidates are their different cousins. It's that common and it's 100% a cultural and religious thing.
Judging by some of the posts here, it looked like people were under the impression that the more western view of relationship between cousins is the norm everywhere, which is why I brought it up in the first place to show that there are other views on this. Ofc, if people (not talking about you specifically) think their cultural view on the matter should be treated as the absolute correct one, then feel free to ignore my post.
Yeah the fact this shit still gets approved in Japan is so fucking disgusting, I know it's a different culture and all that but there's certain boundaries...As I mentioned in the OT, thank the gods for the localization team. The original script writers should be ashamed of themselves for writing this into the game, though.
That's fair. I said it in my og post that idk how FE does it since I haven't played those games. I just felt that people were under the impression that cousin marriage is some gross thing (from their view) that happens in creepy games/media, which isn't true.I think the point is, your point isn't all that relevant to THIS series, or this thread, like at all. There's nothing to even compare it to. Like there's no "oh, this is what they're going for".
Oh, how I miss the days of when Nintendo's non-mascot games were Wave Race and Eternal Darkness, not shitty Otaku bait.
Everytime I see Battle Network I'm reminded that THIS is what I want from Pokemon. In terms of the tone of the story and comedy, in terms of the difficulty. Ugh, such an underrated seriesBattle Network has some crazy dialog.
You gotta see the rap scene from Battle Network 2.
But FE is FAR older than both series...Oh, how I miss the days of when Nintendo's non-mascot games were Wave Race and Eternal Darkness, not shitty Otaku bait.
Fire Emblem has been a pillar Nintendo franchise since 1990, it's been otaku bait for a very long time. It just didn't get localised forever because they didn't think it'd sell.
This thread is racist as shit. Cherry picked screenshots posted without context and mistranslated, to perpetuate the idea that Japan makes creepy games for perverts.Yeah the fact this shit still gets approved in Japan is so fucking disgusting, I know it's a different culture and all that but there's certain boundaries...
Even with the added context it's way too sus imo :/