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If he is a Klingon spy, how the hell did he get past all the medical scans?
Unless Culber is a spy too, or a plant from the mirror universe...
I don't think so. In both the Enterprise and TOS episodes aliens serve in the Empire. Spock was still first officer.
But, given the last time we saw the mirror universe was Enterprise, and it involved time travel shenanigans, they could go for a retcon. The rebellion we saw in the Enterprise episode made the Empire xenophobic.
Unless Culber is a spy too, or a plant from the mirror universe...
I don't think so. In both the Enterprise and TOS episodes aliens serve in the Empire. Spock was still first officer.
But, given the last time we saw the mirror universe was Enterprise, and it involved time travel shenanigans, they could go for a retcon. The rebellion we saw in the Enterprise episode made the Empire xenophobic.
About the same time.
Now I am going to be disappointed when I don't get this.
Also, Holy Fuck! Now I'm pissed.
The reason I ask is because if the theme of this season/show is "the idea that any culture is inherently 'warlike' or 'violent' is bullshit, our cultures are emergent results of pressures and chaotic forces" by literally showing
a mirror universe where the Klingons manage to ally with other races and humans are, well, the Terran empire
Fantastic episode overall. Still doubting Lorca is from this universe. Especially if he's willing to get tortured like that.
I have so many questions. I'm all for mystery but...
If Ash is a Klingon, why didn't earlier scans show it?
If Lorca is mirror Lorca, what the hell is his plan? You'd think it would be to get Discovery and the DASH Drive
Related. If it's a long game he's playing, how did he plant the information for Prime Discovery to find? Or plan for Alternate Discovery to be the to swap with them?
I like this episode, but the tangled knot of threads seems to be too much.
If Ash is a Klingon, why didn't earlier scans show it?
If Lorca is mirror Lorca, what the hell is his plan? You'd think it would be to get Discovery and the DASH Drive
Related. If it's a long game he's playing, how did he plant the information for Prime Discovery to find? Or plan for Alternate Discovery to be the to swap with them?
I like this episode, but the tangled knot of threads seems to be too much.
I think Lorca is absolutely from this universe if he's willing to be tortured like that. Obviously his agenda, presumably to overthrow the Emperor, is great than his own torture.
They did bring this up. Seems like they didn't do a thorough examination as required to discover that he had been changed.
Fantastic episode. So many things are coming to a head.
The writers need to pull back on that edge though.
Fuck, it pisses me off now. No wonder they did not spend more time working on his characterization.
The articles write themselves. And I can actually sort of get behind them.
The writers need to pull back on that edge though.
Fuck, it pisses me off now. No wonder they did not spend more time working on his characterization.
The articles write themselves. And I can actually sort of get behind them.
"Only the finest agonizer" Geez.
And those crew put him in anyway of course even after being told not to, heh.
I agree, that torture looks absolutely terrifying.
Lorca's engineer was fun along with Captain Tilly.
Saru's reaction to "Killy" was funny :D
Still can't believe they killed him off so abruptly, damn.
That was a really packed episode.
And those crew put him in anyway of course even after being told not to, heh.
I agree, that torture looks absolutely terrifying.
Lorca's engineer was fun along with Captain Tilly.
Saru's reaction to "Killy" was funny :D
Still can't believe they killed him off so abruptly, damn.
There's a tease about that in the After Trek.
That was a really packed episode.
Yep.
It's an interesting wrinkle.
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Man, is every ship in the Mirror Universe captained by some 22-year-old cadet who killed their way to the top in six weeks or something
I said goddamn
Sucks that they fridged (though one can argue it's just "killed" until the death prods Stamets out of his coma) the doctor, but I'll give them this: I really wasn't expecting it.
edit: Yeah, it's the same Defiant (though I noticed some design differences in the graphic they showed)
edit #2: Also I reeeally don't think Hoshi's still around, else they would have said Empress
Sucks that they fridged (though one can argue it's just "killed" until the death prods Stamets out of his coma) the doctor, but I'll give them this: I really wasn't expecting it.
edit: Yeah, it's the same Defiant (though I noticed some design differences in the graphic they showed)
edit #2: Also I reeeally don't think Hoshi's still around, else they would have said Empress
I loved how two major theories that people were talking about the entire off season were basically confirmed in this episode.
The Mirror Universe and the Tyler theories. Plus people now have more fuel for their Lorca theories as well..
What a great episode
I noticed that as well. I hope next week is live.
The Mirror Universe and the Tyler theories. Plus people now have more fuel for their Lorca theories as well..
What a great episode
I noticed that as well. I hope next week is live.
Wilson Cruz has confirmed he will return this season in some capacity
