WhatCulture did a great vid on what could have been.
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Star Wars: 10 Things Colin Trevorrow's Episode IX Script Did Better Than The Rise Of Skywalker
A painful look at what could have been.
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Star Wars Sequels: Disney's Anti-Trilogy
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Yes. And i'm not sure why so much faith is being put here on the artistic sensibilities of Colin Trevorrow.
I will never understand why both Rian and JJ thought that pairing Rey and Kylo was a good idea. Like sheesh. What a great message to send to girls who look up to Rey. "All girls want bad boys" trope played out and rewarded too for the shippers.
"Closest thing to a sex-scene"? The tweet that implied that it their moment was meant to be romantic?
Oh sorry I guess its okay that they didn't fully pair up in TLJ but instead looked longingly at each other and do the closest thing that Star Wars will allow in terms of sex and fuel a group of shippers so much that they became toxic towards anyone who didn't disagree. JJ has a lot to answer for, but finally the whole thing with a kiss was just another slap in the face and ruined any good will between the two.
Its fine that you understand TLJ in ways that many of us never will apparently, but Rian had a choice in making that scene and decided to go full steam ahead with it. Could have easily not have done that but nope.
Cause the ideas alone are better. Though we'll never see the execution.
So yea Rian didn't pair them up because---> *gestures toward everything that happens afterwards including the part where they go back to trying to kill each other and Rey literally closing a door on him*
I have ideas for how they could've improved the sequels but I'm saving them for my own space opera
The last scene between Kylo and Rey in the Last Jedi ends with her literally shutting him out. Using a scene that takes place around the half way point of the movie as indicative of what the movie was saying about Kylo and Rey's relationship instead of the scenes afterwards that shows them becoming enemies again is just silly.
ROS is of course, it's own can of worms but your reading of the Last Jedi is off-base.
Saw this a few weeks back. Agree with some of it. However, these threads are just red meat for ERA at this point and no real discussion or debate can be had in good faith.
With the first movie of the new trilogy I thought "A new empire? A new gifted kid from a sand planet? A new mega weapon? A new rebellion?"
It felt like a very much intended reminiscence to the old trilogy.
But the further this new trilogy went it felt like they didn't plan a story that went further than this formula.
There were lots of interesting bits and teases that went absolutely nowhere. The whole story ark was super frustrating and at the end very much forgettable.
I had more fun watching "The Mandalorian" after that.
It felt like a very much intended reminiscence to the old trilogy.
But the further this new trilogy went it felt like they didn't plan a story that went further than this formula.
There were lots of interesting bits and teases that went absolutely nowhere. The whole story ark was super frustrating and at the end very much forgettable.
I had more fun watching "The Mandalorian" after that.
Ya, I thought the third movie would mainly be about people banding together defeating the old threat instead of the search for a magical MacGuffin to defeat a completely new threat. I guess there's a dash of "oh yeah, the old threat is also defeated behind the scenes by the way all thanks to Lando" there at the end.
Yeah, that was pretty much how I felt when I watched the video, the TLJ section especially, it's rife with complete misunderstanding of the film, it's better atttempts at criticism than I usually hear, but it feels like they just forced their interpretation of the movie to fit with the conclusion they were setting up for their whole essay.
Nah still wouldn't have happened. JJ Abrams really doesn't like to answer his mystery boxes
Yeah that's why I made sure to write in my OP that he should have directed but not written. He's a fine enough director for these kinds of movies. Don't let him write the actual script.
Bro.
Who wasnt ?
Luke is a coward that gave up on family and friends instantly and left them to die and suffer for a mistake he made and never even tried to fix it.
Han lost all character development and ended up a lonely loser that lost everything then got killed by his own son.
Leia had to watch everyone she loved die and lose her son. Then randomly drops dead.
Rey became a misplaced prop for nostalgia with uber powers and the blood of sidious.
Kylo ??????? Died like a dog
Anakin wasnt even mentioned or addressed whatsoever while his legacy was entirely undone cause they couldnt think of anything else. He let his family be tortured and ruined by the same asshole for 3 generations. Great.
Finn Poe and Rose became footnotes instead of main characters.
Horrendous.
The fact that we had posters here insisting that there was never any anti-prequel sentiment in 2015 era STAR WARS is amazing to me.
Every piece of advertising seemed to be designed to loudly address a complaint made by Mr. Plinkett.
Like COME ON.
It made them crashing and burning and The Prequels striking back in popularity that much sweeter for me.
But I am absolutely ready for something completely new, with new enemies and vehicles and planets that are not Sand Planet #567 and Worn down metal box building Planet #47
Every piece of advertising seemed to be designed to loudly address a complaint made by Mr. Plinkett.
Like COME ON.
It made them crashing and burning and The Prequels striking back in popularity that much sweeter for me.
But I am absolutely ready for something completely new, with new enemies and vehicles and planets that are not Sand Planet #567 and Worn down metal box building Planet #47
This is a false argument and always has been to try to trash the best god damn film in star wars since the Original Trilogy. The Last Jedi.
Nothing Rian did in his movie fucked over the prior movie in any way. At all. At all.
To argue otherwise is basically just arguing against reality.
Now if you don't like the TLJ then that's fine. I feel sorry if you didn't like it but hey what can ya do. But thinking it did anything to like jerk things in a direction setup by TFA is not true.
EDIT: lol I feel like you might take this as directed at you and it's merely more of a general statement on that view. Basically I don't subscribe to the back and forth. The only movie that was designed to fuck over the prior one from the ground up was EP 9.
WhatCulture did a great vid on what could have been.
Star Wars: 10 Things Colin Trevorrow's Episode IX Script Did Better Than The Rise Of Skywalker
A painful look at what could have been.
We got robbedddddd
The problem isn't that the films are bad per say either (I'd argue the first was solid, second had a lot of pointless back and forth and the third felt like someone figured out how to paint with colour for the first time though) it's for sure the fact that a clear concise story wasn't at its backbone, Disney was so concerned with making more Star Wars they never stopped to ask themselves if they should, or at least how.
Say what you will of the MCU, it generally knows what story it's telling, making it even more baffling that they managed to miss that entirely, the tcg shows at least have a little more quality to them, just a shame they didn't get Mark Hamill back for his voice and instead used the Ai voice tech (seriously how do you need this up?)
Say what you will of the MCU, it generally knows what story it's telling, making it even more baffling that they managed to miss that entirely, the tcg shows at least have a little more quality to them, just a shame they didn't get Mark Hamill back for his voice and instead used the Ai voice tech (seriously how do you need this up?)
Rian Johnson explains his thoughts on ‘Reylo’ romance in The Last Jedi
Star Wars: The Last Jedi was definitely a contentious film, with people from all different sides of the fandom weighing in. There was an outspoken and voca...
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We blame JJ for TROS...but let's not forget the 'fan' backlash to TLJ. I think decisions in TROS were an intentional [over]reaction to the close-minded fans' reaction to TLJ. It's funny some people complained about TLJ because they didn't care for the direction it took (which okay we all have our opinions). Meanwhile TROS is unanimously hated because it's straight garbage. Like it literally killed people's fandom. Yes, we argued about TLJ because we loved the franchise and we have our opinions. But TROS destroyed the love.
This perfectly sums it up for me. TFA was satisfying in the short-term because it brought Star Wars back to its roots, but in the long-run it ultimately sabotaged the trilogy and killed any chance of getting an original story. It reset the status quo and reversed everything that had been accomplished in RotJ. TLJ tried its best to take things in an interesting direction, but Johnson's hands were tied and even then you still had people whining that it deviated too much from TFA's nonexistent "setup;" Snoke's backstory and Rey's parentage were rabbit traps and it still blows my mind how badly people wanted those fucking carrots.
The discourse around these movies is honestly so stale and boring. How many people, over how many years, can still regurgitate and believe the same wrong shit about TLJ? How many people can still say "JJ wanted to do X while Rian wanted to do Y" and pretend that they're adding something new to the conversation (or that they're even right in the first place)? How many want to act like the prequels were always beloved by fans and flawed but true works of art born of a creative vision, while the sequels were just corporate cash grabs with no story to tell?
It's hard to even take seriously because in 10-15 years, you're gonna have videos and essays and other cold takes extolling the virtues of the ST to shit on whatever new crop of Star Wars movies is out by then.
It's hard to even take seriously because in 10-15 years, you're gonna have videos and essays and other cold takes extolling the virtues of the ST to shit on whatever new crop of Star Wars movies is out by then.
I honestly think this take is more condescending to girls than you think the movies are being, lol
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I still feel TFA and TLJ work as a duo. That way the yin and yang is complete, and there's no third entry - straight ignore episode 9. need to watch again to reaffirm. broom kid as the final shot of the 8 episode series *chef's kiss*
Finn, Poe and Rose's bonehead plan in TLJ got 90% of the Resistance destroyed. Real heroes there.
a hundred years from now people will still be arguing about TLJ won't they
Look Upon my works ye mighty and despair
for I have made The Last Jedi an eternal affair
Look Upon my works ye mighty and despair
for I have made The Last Jedi an eternal affair
And it was held together by some cheap Sith gorilla glue as well.
"Somehow… Palpatine has returned" sums things up as well.
The ending to TLJ is her rejecting him completely.
Again for allllllllll the ails of the trilogy, 90 percent lets say to be fair... are from Episode 9's fucking ludicrous plot decisions.
This aspect of it actually annoys me a bit. The prequels are still complete garbage. I'm not sure where all this prequel appreciation came from. They're horrible movies.
Whole Trilogy was a mess. Even a large number of people who like The Last Jedi still get the message wrong. People say ROTS retconned Luke and The Last jedi but that is not the case at all. By the end of The Last jedi it's Luke who realizes he was WRONG. The Galaxy does need the Jedi and it actually does need that Mythical Legendary Luke Skywalker. Does that mean the Jedi are perfect? Hell no that's part of the lesson Yoda teaches Luke. Failure is as much a lesson as success is if its properly understood.
give 10,11,12 to the russos
RDJ is Rey's son
Chris evans is Palpatines other grandkid that wants fuck up his team like in civil war
Driver is thanos
tom holland is jarjar three'nks
RDJ is Rey's son
Chris evans is Palpatines other grandkid that wants fuck up his team like in civil war
Driver is thanos
tom holland is jarjar three'nks
they're still better than the prequels, which are probably among some of the worst big budget movies ever made.
when you look at it, the sequel trilogy is basically a complete repeat of the OT. ANH = Force Awakens- gets people interested again, doesn't go in super innovative directions, but was just there to say "hey, we're back, we know what we did was wrong, here's your apology movie." Last Jedi was ESB- a fucking masterpiece in scifi. TROS was ROtJ- some cool shit, but way, way more "what the fuck are you doing?"
when you look at it, the sequel trilogy is basically a complete repeat of the OT. ANH = Force Awakens- gets people interested again, doesn't go in super innovative directions, but was just there to say "hey, we're back, we know what we did was wrong, here's your apology movie." Last Jedi was ESB- a fucking masterpiece in scifi. TROS was ROtJ- some cool shit, but way, way more "what the fuck are you doing?"
Nah. Not only do I get far more enjoyment out of the prequels when I get basically none from the sequels at this point given how they ended it, the prequels added a shit ton of good things that the current state of SW is literally relying upon. The sequels did nothing but destroy. Didnt bother adding anything new or interesting.
The Force Awakens is the only one I love and believe to exist in my heart. Damn the Last Jedi and damn the Rise of Skywalker!
I started to watch this a while back but couldn't continue once I realized it was a prequel defending person. You can all like whatever movie you want to like, but if you think the prequels are good then I don't want to hear whatever else you have to say on movie analysis and don't respect your opinions when it comes to film
Anyway, the disney sequels are a mess too, they're all terrible. There are some good things in The Force Awakens but the basic premise is just stupid so the whole thing was rotten from the start
Even shirtless Adam Driver couldn't save the sequel trilogy. I can genuinely say I like the prequel trilogy better.
That would be stupid. The majority of the legends canin including the Yuuzhan Vong was terrible and needed a major retcon.