WhatCulture did a great vid on what could have been.
Star Wars: 10 Things Colin Trevorrow's Episode IX Script Did Better Than The Rise Of Skywalker
A painful look at what could have been.
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Yes. And i'm not sure why so much faith is being put here on the artistic sensibilities of Colin Trevorrow.Sounds like all the reasons he was fired was because he was wanting to do more of his own thing?
Have you read his script for 9?
Rian didn't pair them up. He did the exact opposite.I will never understand why both Rian and JJ thought that pairing Rey and Kylo was a good idea. Like sheesh. What a great message to send to girls who look up to Rey. "All girls want bad boys" trope played out and rewarded too for the shippers.
"Closest thing to a sex-scene"? The tweet that implied that it their moment was meant to be romantic?
Cause the ideas alone are better. Though we'll never see the execution.Yes. And i'm not sure why so much faith is being put here on the artistic sensibilities of Colin Trevorrow.
So yea Rian didn't pair them up because---> *gestures toward everything that happens afterwards including the part where they go back to trying to kill each other and Rey literally closing a door on him*"Closest thing to a sex-scene"? The tweet that implied that it their moment was meant to be romantic?
Oh sorry I guess its okay that they didn't fully pair up in TLJ but instead looked longingly at each other and do the closest thing that Star Wars will allow in terms of sex and fuel a group of shippers so much that they became toxic towards anyone who didn't disagree. JJ has a lot to answer for, but finally the whole thing with a kiss was just another slap in the face and ruined any good will between the two.
Its fine that you understand TLJ in ways that many of us never will apparently, but Rian had a choice in making that scene and decided to go full steam ahead with it. Could have easily not have done that but nope.
The last scene between Kylo and Rey in the Last Jedi ends with her literally shutting him out. Using a scene that takes place around the half way point of the movie as indicative of what the movie was saying about Kylo and Rey's relationship instead of the scenes afterwards that shows them becoming enemies again is just silly."Closest thing to a sex-scene"? The tweet that implied that it their moment was meant to be romantic?
Oh sorry I guess its okay that they didn't fully pair up in TLJ but instead looked longingly at each other and do the closest thing that Star Wars will allow in terms of sex and fuel a group of shippers so much that they became toxic towards anyone who didn't disagree. JJ has a lot to answer for, but finally the whole thing with a kiss was just another slap in the face and ruined any good will between the two.
Its fine that you understand TLJ in ways that many of us never will apparently, but Rian had a choice in making that scene and decided to go full steam ahead with it. Could have easily not have done that but nope.
Ya, I thought the third movie would mainly be about people banding together defeating the old threat instead of the search for a magical MacGuffin to defeat a completely new threat. I guess there's a dash of "oh yeah, the old threat is also defeated behind the scenes by the way all thanks to Lando" there at the end.I think the idea would be the resistance is destroyed but the people rise up. It's not really apparent because JJ can't escape the Rebels vs. Empire dynamic but the First Order isn't all powerful or ruling the galaxy but without the resistance or new republic, there's no one to stop them from ravaging a bunch of planets. I think the idea was that Luke's message/sacrifice inspires the people to band together and drive them away for good or something. Plus Finn leading some troopers to break away.
Yeah, that was pretty much how I felt when I watched the video, the TLJ section especially, it's rife with complete misunderstanding of the film, it's better atttempts at criticism than I usually hear, but it feels like they just forced their interpretation of the movie to fit with the conclusion they were setting up for their whole essay.finally finished the video and... yeah, I basically stand by what I wrote here. I vehemently disagree with his TLJ take (especially what he regards the "message" of the movie) and while agreeing with him on TFA (and superficially on ROTS, but because those flaws are so evident in that movie it doesn't really take an analyst to point them out), the fact that I disagree with him on both his regard for the Prequels (not the Prequel era, which has spawned some excellent content, but the Prequels themselves) and what he thinks on TLJ it means I cannot really concur with his conclusion either - even if we share points. I basically can't defend the Prequels beyond liking them as "ideas" and "themes" but he's intent on proving their worth and, basically, make the point of "them going anti-Prequels is why the ST failed!", which is something I can't really agree.
I have ideas for how they could've improved the sequels but I'm saving them for my own space opera
Nah still wouldn't have happened. JJ Abrams really doesn't like to answer his mystery boxesHe said he didn't have time to do the 2nd one. They were in pre-pro while JJ was still filming 7. If they spaced things out further who knows.
Nah still wouldn't have happened. JJ Abrams really doesn't like to answer his mystery boxes
Another SW Sequel Thread, another opportunity for me to scream that Fin was done so dirty.
It's a very interesting essay, saw it a few weeks ago, each movie pulled to hard to contradict the others
WhatCulture did a great vid on what could have been.
Star Wars: 10 Things Colin Trevorrow's Episode IX Script Did Better Than The Rise Of Skywalker
A painful look at what could have been.youtu.be
Didn't rian johnson straight up admit that his plan was reylo? I swear I saw that somewhere
Didn't rian johnson straight up admit that his plan was reylo? I swear I saw that somewhere
Even if JJ had done all 3 I don't think we'd be any better off. I can't say in strong enough terms how poor of a foundation for any trilogy the Force Awakens was. Anything resembling an original idea was introduced and discarded basically straight away. The rest was just shamelessly repackaged plot, characters and set pieces that we've already seen, but now worse.
Its crucial because the battle with the big bad, the fight between good and evil, the entire guiding thrust of these movies and what we're supposed to be rooting for and against is knee capped straight away with the decision to just rehash the empire in a laughably transparent way. To the extent that the big planet cannon destroying the Republic capital honestly feels more like an exercise to justify casting the resistance as underdogs somehow despite being on the team that won against Palpatine. All so we can have rebels vs stormtroopers again.
So yeah, tl;dr the trilogy was going to be shit no matter what once TFA laid the foundations so poorly
I honestly think this take is more condescending to girls than you think the movies are being, lolI will never understand why both Rian and JJ thought that pairing Rey and Kylo was a good idea. Like sheesh. What a great message to send to girls who look up to Rey. "All girls want bad boys" trope played out and rewarded too for the shippers.
Finn, Poe and Rose's bonehead plan in TLJ got 90% of the Resistance destroyed. Real heroes there.Bro.
Who wasnt ?
Finn Poe and Rose became footnotes instead of main characters.
JJ Abrams giving Kylo a mask like Darth Vader, Rian Johnson then smashing that mask and then JJ Abrams reforging the mask is pretty symbolic for the whole things
I will never understand why both Rian and JJ thought that pairing Rey and Kylo was a good idea. Like sheesh. What a great message to send to girls who look up to Rey. "All girls want bad boys" trope played out and rewarded too for the shippers.
This aspect of it actually annoys me a bit. The prequels are still complete garbage. I'm not sure where all this prequel appreciation came from. They're horrible movies.It made them crashing and burning and The Prequels striking back in popularity that much sweeter for me.
This aspect of it actually annoys me a bit. The prequels are still complete garbage. I'm not sure where all this prequel appreciation came from. They're horrible movies.
Neither Rian nor JJ cared about Finn, so they were consistent with that.
they're still better than the prequels, which are probably among some of the worst big budget movies ever made.
I came across this video and it pretty much sums up everything that went wrong with the sequels:
Yeah... just a classic case of "I want it to go this way!" "No, it's going this way!" "No, I'm pulling it back my way!"
The fact that we had posters here insisting that there was never any anti-prequel sentiment in 2015 era STAR WARS is amazing to me.
Every piece of advertising seemed to be designed to loudly address a complaint made by Mr. Plinkett.
Like COME ON.
It made them crashing and burning and The Prequels striking back in popularity that much sweeter for me.
But I am absolutely ready for something completely new, with new enemies and vehicles and planets that are not Sand Planet #567 and Worn down metal box building Planet #47
That would be stupid. The majority of the legends canin including the Yuuzhan Vong was terrible and needed a major retcon.They should do Yuuzhan Vong war instead of Legacy of The Jedi + Dark Empire.