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Super Mario Maker 2 announced for Nintendo Switch; coming June 2019
- Thread starter vestan
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SMW is alive and strong still 20+ years after its release with Rom hacks. Just two weeks ago it literally got into the top 20 games streaming on twitch because of a big anticipated rom hack released and was being played by everyone. SMW is a masterpiece, it has no comparison.
I'm gonna be making tons of desert levels in the SMB3 theme and forest levels in the SMW theme!
Which hack, can you fill me in? I haven't been following the scene for years now.
Grand Poo World 2, created by Barbarous King. It and Invictus Created by Juzcook came out basically back to back and are probably the two biggest and best rom hacks to come out.
Maybe, I had enough of Mario maker after the first game because, frankly, most people were absolutely terrible at making levels. Most of the time i'd settle for a package of quality Nintendo made levels but with no maker functionality than the other way around. The ideal would be to have both, I suppose. I think the 3DS version of mario maker included some nintendo made levels, but I never played that version.
I think SMB3 is a better designed game. But as far as controls and playability goes I think SMW surpasses it.
SMB3 has the better variety, the more interesting enemies and worlds, but the basic controls and play-ability is all pretty straight forward. Besides the powerups and Shoe at least.
If you look at the hack community for SMW you can realize just how much potential that game has just in the variety of options and control. People make entire rom hacks for just flying because of how much control and variability there is just on the cape in SMW.
I completely missed the fact that 3D world was its own palette. Thats incredibly exciting. Since 3D World is rather unique, I hope they add some other 3D game styles and maybe even Mario 2.
At first I thought "Ok they're adding everything that was missing from 1 and some new stuff from 3D World in NSMBU palette". I dont doubt they'll add a few more new palettes now. Im super excited for this. Way more than I ever was with 1.
At first I thought "Ok they're adding everything that was missing from 1 and some new stuff from 3D World in NSMBU palette". I dont doubt they'll add a few more new palettes now. Im super excited for this. Way more than I ever was with 1.
Worth noting that Invictus is not at all Vanilla, but GPW is about half vanilla/half chocolate.
(Vanilla is all default SMW stuff, chocolate is not. Stuff added with sprites and ASM. Stuff like jumping off walls, same screen pipes, different enemies and items.)
GPW 2 may have the best boss fights ever in a hack.
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I havent played the first game nor have I been following news about the sequel, so I have no idea if this a feature already, but what I would love to have is the possibility of not only creating single levels, but a whole damn game. You create your levels, arrange them into worlds by theme and difficulty progression, and even put bosses, secret levels, alternate routes, etc. How awesome would that be? The level selection interface could be that of SMB3, SMW, NSMB or SM3W, of course, with bosses to choose from each of them too.
If this isn't a thing yet, I don't know what they're waiting for.
If this isn't a thing yet, I don't know what they're waiting for.
It's pretty close to the first one apart from bosses. There was bowser I guess but yeah, everything else you mentioned was basically possible in the first one.
Okay I'll keep that in mind thanks. I noticed they are Kaizo-type hacks and even if they are Kaizo Light and I'm really not fond of this type of gameplay :/ But I'll check them out atleast nonetheless. Are there any notable non-Kaizo hacks that came out in the last few years?
That's not true, you could not place levels on a world map with secret levels and alternate routes. You could only make standalone levels in sets of 3 (or was it 4?) but only share them one level at a time I believe.
And there was Bowser but you could also make more creative boss battles too. Like stacks of giant enemies and things like that. There were even ways of making boss battles where you had to defeat the boss in order to progress, though I think that usually used clever workarounds.
Then I would stay away from GPW2. It's definitely pretty hard. Invictus is kaizo style but not as hard and really just all around fun.
Kaizo is definitely the focus that hacks have gone down, but there has been a couple other notible hacks. There was a Bob Ross inspired hack that had versions of his paintings as the backgrounds and themes and there were 3 different settings that would make it pretty doable. Can't remember the name though.
Yea but they could just keep making Mario maker sequels for 2d Mario
I did some research and I saw you can group levels into worlds, but that's not quite what Im talking about, it's more the players planning their whole game instead of separate courses. People would download the whole game too, start to finish (of course there should be the option to download just a single level if you want). I also don't think the first game had alternate exits leading to different levels, bonus levels or even an overworld.
These seem to be a natural evolution for the game, hopefully 2 will bring it.
They could do that and other games for more money.
This Chicken Littleing has no real basis in reality.
We will certainly get a new 2D Mario.
They will just have to make it standout, some how. By either reinventing 2D Mario or just a something unique like another Mario 2. An extremely polished remake of SM3 is something that would be huge.
I can't see mother NSM entry. Leave that to live out in Maker and wash your hands of it, Nintendo.
I hope so, last one we got was 6 years ago right? Don't think there's been a new one released since Mario maker
Allowing us to make our own World would be amazing, but I can see that never happening for about 10 reasons.
I'd just like Nintendo to release a game with a good overworld again.
This made no sense. Tired of people saying stuff like this.
Mario Maker can't and will never replace new 2D Mario games. For that it's too limited. Doesnt matter how many gameplay elements they'll add.
We are barely able to recreate SMB1.
But it's true, we probably wont see a new 2D Mario game in the next 1-2 years.
We are barely able to recreate SMB1.
But it's true, we probably wont see a new 2D Mario game in the next 1-2 years.
Well correct me if I'm wrong but we haven't had a new 2d Mario since Mario maker 1 released have we?
Also I had other points and questions that wasn't the only one
That's because they wanted to make Mario Maker 2 (I would've done the same thing). After this they can make a new 2D Mario Adventure game. Mario Maker will never replace an original 2D Mario game.
Well it can't hurt to try them out either way, especially Invictus sounds more like my cup of tea but the Bob Ross one sounds funny aswell. Happy to SMW Central is still up and running aswell after all these years!
I don't understand, what's missing that lets you not recreate smb1? I've never played Mario maker
Off the top of my head there's no way to recreate that castle level where you have to pick the right path several times in a row in order to get to Bowser. I can't remember exactly which level that was.
Maybe you will be able to do that in 2, I think that was the last castle
There's a few castles that play with the same idea, like 4-4 and 8-4.
The 3DS Nintendo made levels are fantastic.....:being only 20 bucks now I highly recommend it.
Biggest thing for me is vertical levels and more space in general for levels. Maybe a longer time limit too.
Not only this, but you were limited to only 2 separate areas per level as well, linked by warp pipes. There was no way to use warp pipes that connected to each other in the same area (you had to use doors instead), and you couldn't have more than 2 distinct areas per level (SMB1 sometimes has a main overworld area plus multiple underground bonus areas AND a sky bonus area). The flagpole also had to exist in the same area as the starting point (whereas Lost Levels 8-2, for example, has its flagpole hidden in a bonus sky area).
I didn't usually think it was a big deal since you could work around most of those limitations to get something that very closely approximated the original versions, though.
I'm hoping the presence of the layer icon on the screen alleviates these restrictions. Pipes in the same tileset, doors across tilesets and more of both would be great.
Not great for shitty pick a pipes, but great overall.
Honestly, I've never gone back for my second play through, nor finished Super Luigi.
I blame the shit ass WiiU. I'm currently replaying SM3, than World, but NSMBU should prob be after that huh. I doubt the Sqitch version is much of an upgrade over my WiiU copy.
Definitely. I'm sick and tired of the predictable, formulaic way this series divides its levels into numbered worlds. It removes any sense of adventure. Super Mario World (ironically, judging by its name) didn't use that world concept and instead made its map feel far more organic. I actually felt like I was exploring that world and uncovering its secrets, not just working to unlock the next numbered level. Stuff like the big switches that added tiles to a large assortment of maps helped bring everything together too, and added yet another reason to explore and search for secrets.
Plus when you reallllly beat SMW the over world is transformed. I don't think everyone knows about that Easter egg.
It's been a long time since I played but did the levels change too or just the map?
Totally agree. There was the cool top sectet level, the level under the bridge with the beanstalk, the bowser levels that come from under the water, to name a few. There was also all the alternate routes based on getting keys in levels.
I loved SMW to death but there was one exit/level in SMW that I never got to, and realised it by seeing the enemy pictures in the credits. But yeah, such a sense of exploration, adventure, on-going stuff instead of linear, all the possibilities, all the Yoshis, the power-up color system, Special levels, everything about that game was just... mind blowing. I remember playing it for the very first time with my cousin.
Damn I wish I could play SMW on the Switch right now.
Welp, booting it up on Wii U.
Damn I wish I could play SMW on the Switch right now.
Welp, booting it up on Wii U.