All we know is that his next project seems to involve shooting, considering he said he was using the rifle of this mecha figurine for reference.
kid icarus sequel plz
Please, Master Hero Samurai.
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Yeah, of course they could be of the same quality! Sakurai isn't the only person with a brain. Tons of people worked on this game and have surely gotten an understanding for it. If you still have the same key staff members, I don't see the problem.
I feel like some people put so much fame onto one person, as if that person singlehandedly made the game amazing, but there are a lot of people, a lot of brains, a lot of talent that goes into a game like this.
Not sure what clones have to do with anything tbh. This is Nintendo, not a cheap knock off :)
My theory has always been that the next Smash Bros game will positioned as a brand new entry in the series but will be heavily based upon Smash 4. The core gameplay is mostly unchanged with a few tweaks here and there. There's no point in making everything from scratch again. You just need to add more characters, stages, and modes onto what is already there.
I certainly agree that more than five years of intensive Smash development is absurd and also just something he would not agree to do. But with him using the phrase "a noose around my neck" to describe how he feels about making successive entries, what makes people think he wants to return to the franchise at all? I often see people handwave away his frequent comments about how hard development of these games is for him, and they say "oh he'll always come back." I don't know how frankly he needs to speak for people to take him seriously when he says he doesn't want to build a game from the ground up with 60+ characters, all the stages, the modes, etc anymore.
The break he took with Kid Icarus was really only about four or so years (Brawl development ending right before 2008 and Smash Wii U/3DS development starting right at the beginning of 2012). This fall we'll be coming up on four years following the release of the last game. Does Sakurai likely want to up and start developing a new Smash from the ground up, working under fan expectations to bring back their favorite content while adding so much new, and with the expectations/crunch of a launch timetable? I think it's clear that he doesn't.
But then I would ask: When would he be? Is the prospect of that incredible stress any more appealing two years down the line? Four? People are already starting to ask about Smash coming to Switch, so I can't imagine they'll be content with Smash not entering development until 2020 or later, to then release 1.5 to 2 years after. The bottom line is that I do not think things will or can continue as usual with him saying "jeez this is too hard to keep doing" each time and then coming back to it with a 4-6 year break.
Unless I'm grossly misunderstanding the way Smash games are developed, then I think it's very possible for Sakurai to still be basically in charge of the process of making characters while being a good bit more hands-off. I'm talking things like design documents and planning movesets. Stuff that doesn't involve him putting his hands on a controller or doing much of anything except supervising and advising. As for modes, stages, and other content, I think he would be comfortable leaving the bulk of it in the hands of the staff based on his comments about the working environment with the smaller group.
As for his new game, I'm also really really curious. I loved Kid Icarus to death and I'm sure his next effort will be spectacular.
Yeah I think people certainly aren't entertaining the idea that it could be for Smash. I don't know that I'm even a little sure it could be (Snake???), but it's one of many possibilities.
now that's the PotD nostalgia I like
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Clones actually have a lot of do with anything. It helped people to appreciate the game(s) even more. Sometime clones could surpass the original if they would try enough but we know that it wouldn't in this case right now. My point with the clones is that it actually demonstrate that it's hard to make the game to be like Smash Bros. There are some directors and developers trying to match that but came up shorted.
You don't need to twisted my words because I'm talking about the design document and early concepts in term of moves and animations that he made with stickman. I'm pretty sure that you are aware that it's more likely that Sakurai would be the one that came up with the moveset and animations since it was cited in his design document that he came up with movesets and more likely animation by himself. I always gave the the group the credits they deserved and they actually did amazing job with Smash Bros because without them, we wouldn't have some contents. For example, Bowser Jr, Lucario and few characters almost didn't make in if it wasn't for team. Also I would like to point it out that Sakurai did ask for the suggestions for few moves to see what people would throw out out of their minds regard with Mega Man moveset so I wonder if he was gauging to see which bosses and their attacks were memorable/popular.
Also important Nintendo workers, Aonuma and Iwata strongly believe that Sakurai is the SOUL and HEART of the Smash Bros so he believe that it wouldn't be same if it was other people directing the game.
Iwata:
Aonuma:
On other subject so I do think Sakurai was worried that someone else would made an inferior because he don't want to see the customers being disappointed. Even Sakurai actually thought that he wouldn't have any problem with letting other people. Also I think he was too worried about the prophecy of bad Smash Bros that would leave a bad taste in customers and fans' mouths.
Also for future reference(s) but I know I'm more likely to give some people the ammo they wanted. :P
Sakurai:
Credits:
http://sourcegaming.info/2015/12/13/sakurai-fe25/
http://sourcegaming.info/2015/05/02/im-making-smash-sakurais-famitsu-article-on-brawl/
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Look at bright side, if he's going to make Smash for Switch as definitive version without any DLC supports then he's going to have a good break from Smash Bros for few years and can focus on his own things. I'm totally okay if he's taking a break from Smash Bros right now. Smash U is only reason why Wii U is still there at my entertainment center.
No I'm pretty sure we agree 100%, I'm just pointing out that they can arrange a situation with a smaller team and a less intensive development schedule and his role can remain the same. This would be physically and mentally healthier for him I think. I know that he is the person who is largely responsible not only for the unique flavor of the characters, but the heart of Smash itself. I've always felt that way about Sakurai and Smash. I just hope that he can continue working on the series in a healthy manner while still getting to rest and do the other projects he wants to do. This hypothetical "expanded Smash 4" could be a great solution essentially giving him as long a break from the series as he wants afterward.
I know a lot of people say this sarcastically, which is absurd because the man has worked both of his wrists into a painful and chronic condition and has a tremendous workload when each new Smash comes around. But he also acknowledges how lucky he is to work on the games with such freedom. I really respect him and hope he can remain healthy.
I'm not being sarcastic. I think it sucks to be stuck doing a thing you don't want to do. Sure he keeps going back, but every time he talks about it, it sounds like he's doing it out of a sense of loyalty and obligation, not genuine desire. Maybe he puts on a sad front for everyone. Maybe he's being sarcastic.
All I know is I hate being stuck doing something I don't want to do, even if I once loved doing it.
All I know is I hate being stuck doing something I don't want to do, even if I once loved doing it.
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I don't disagree with you since Sakurai apparently enjoyed Smash development during DLC phase since it was really light loads for him, comparing to base game development. Also I believe that he declared that his condition have been better now did he?
Twig Well, Sakurai have been loving the works he put into Smash Bros during DLC development if you follow his interview and articles lately. He really want to add more characters since he felt that it would be interesting if he could add more characters (more likely third party characters) in the game. Who knows what would happens in the future.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you were being sarcastic.
But yeah he says in his posts and columns that even though it's tremendously stressful that he still gets something out of it. So I think it's just truly a double-edged sword. He basically made the series from nothing with Iwata at his side, so I understand the innate dedication to the game.
I actually don't know anything about his condition from very recently since I haven't caught up on his writings. But that would be terrific news!
I hope someone can help me . I want to get smash bros for 3ds, but with the rumors of it coming to switch , I kind of want to hold off on it . Should I get it now or wait ?
Get it now, there hasn't been any sort of proof that a Switch version is coming.
Depends on how long you're willing to wait. Personally I don't think I would drop the money on the 3DS version + DLC at this point when we don't know what/when Smash will be on the Switch.
Lv. 1 Strong Head (power): Collect 5 unique custom headgear items.
Lv. 1 Strong Body (power): Collect 3 unique custom outfits.
Lv. 2 Shinespark: Get a total of 5 hits in StreetSmash.
Lv. 3 Ore Club (power): Hit Sandbag 1000m (3280 ft.) or more in Home-Run Contest.
Lv. 3 Recovery (power): Get 50 or more KOs in a single Rival Smash.
Lv. 3 High Jump (power): Jump at least 10km (6 miles) total between all fighters.
Lv. 3 Launch Ring (power): Get 200 or more KOs in Endless Smash.
Thanks! I guess those are marked out achievements? I was wondering if maybe some were only collectible in other modes like multiplayer Smash Run, Classic or Trophy Rush, because the last two items are taking their sweet time.
It's an excellent game (for me so far). I think there's a lot to play between now and whenever the next Smash appears.
Me? :O
Gals and guys, am I wrong in saying that I'd like some Nintendo-esque indies in a new Smash? I know most don't have that legacy, but I think characters like Quote and Shovel Knight would be pretty cool.
Good choice, I think Samus Returns is a much better Metroid game than Smash 3DS is a Smash game. Just not a great hardware fit for the series.
I'd like the next smash to be a bit faster then 4 and to fix the hitboxes.
Oh and make it more punishing. Everyone being able to save pretty much anything has to go.
Oh and make it more punishing. Everyone being able to save pretty much anything has to go.
;_;
Not Quote then, I guess.
(the character from Cave Story)
I really think there's a nice group of indie characters that would fit nicely into Smash. However, I also think the line is just too long for them right now. There are some fan favorites and other third parties that I think will get the nod first, but I absolutely wouldn't be opposed to it.
Also I love Quote and think it's a really interesting idea for a Smash fighter :>
This smash is gonna be the hardest yet when it comes to adding characters. We already know the obvious ones (Arms Rep and Splatoon) and some veterans that missed out in WiiU.
But where do you go from that? Especially in the third party category? I mean there's plenty of characters to add. But characters to add that are a big deal as well?
A new Metroid Rep is the only thing that's really coming to mind from the Nintendo side of things. Since after that it's just looking at hardcore wants. Which is stuff like Geno and KK Rool.
I don't even know what they'll do with third party. There's nothing really big left. There's companies to be added sure like Atlus and Koei Tecmo. But it seems we're out of the left field inclusions like Cloud and Snake. Unless we really get something like goku or master chief
But where do you go from that? Especially in the third party category? I mean there's plenty of characters to add. But characters to add that are a big deal as well?
A new Metroid Rep is the only thing that's really coming to mind from the Nintendo side of things. Since after that it's just looking at hardcore wants. Which is stuff like Geno and KK Rool.
I don't even know what they'll do with third party. There's nothing really big left. There's companies to be added sure like Atlus and Koei Tecmo. But it seems we're out of the left field inclusions like Cloud and Snake. Unless we really get something like goku or master chief
If they are out of Nintendo characters to add they can always add like 3 FE characters.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoFq-BAr4jY&feature=youtu.be
It's like what we mostly speculated and guessed that Sakura still have his hands on the project but wouldn't be in a director's position. Like I said in discord and probably this thread but I can't remember I'm perfectly fine with Sakurai coming up with movesets and animations then share it with the teams and they can do rest of the works. Also Sakurai could examine the final results for those newcomers.
However I'm very curious to see if a new director would have power to add their own versions of single player contents.
It's like what we mostly speculated and guessed that Sakura still have his hands on the project but wouldn't be in a director's position. Like I said in discord and probably this thread but I can't remember I'm perfectly fine with Sakurai coming up with movesets and animations then share it with the teams and they can do rest of the works. Also Sakurai could examine the final results for those newcomers.
However I'm very curious to see if a new director would have power to add their own versions of single player contents.
Hey guys, I'm just popping in to say you can always tag me with questions / if you want something fact-checked with regards to Smash. I'm pretty good at recalling when/ where certain things were said (I also did the data-mining for the games :)).
We are doing the final round of checking for the translation that IntelliHeath mentioned, so it'll come out very soon.
We are doing the final round of checking for the translation that IntelliHeath mentioned, so it'll come out very soon.
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Obviously you didn't even follow me and few members during Brawl and Smash 4 since I have been asking for Duck Hunt as playable character! :P But yes, I'm totally open for more C-List characters become playable characters like Takamaru and Isaac.
I'm still unsure about Arms' chance. It's really depends on whenever the design document was decided on. if it was decided before Switch Event in 2017 and not having a blank slot for new IP character then I really find it unlikely. Same for XB2 characters. I would love it if I'm being proven wrong.
There's quite a few third parties they could add to beef up the roster
A monster hunter rep, a dragon quest rep, a Tales rep
There's also scarce Nintendo handheld reps. Other than Roy and maybe Wario, the GBA is almost entirely forgotten.
Considering GBA was like a port machine, what are we really missing? Issac? Jill? Advance Wars technically started a lot earlier but I don't know about the characters that were around for Advance/DS.
Ah of course, the best port, DKC3! when's Dixie gosh darn it!
Ah of course, the best port, DKC3! when's Dixie gosh darn it!
Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter are only that popular in Japan, although admittedly Monster Hunter World is taking off worldwide, so you never know.
Tales also isn't quite on the level as Smash's third-party picks barring Bayonetta, and as much as I'd freak out to see Lloyd, that'd open the floodgates for Dawn of the New World content or the possibility of Brian Beacock voicing him and, well, I don't think I want to see that.
Damn, Jill would fit so well in Smash Bros.
And I'm surprised that Isaac hasn't happened yet. GS is a cult classic and the first one sold over one million copies IIRC.