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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread | The Wild Ride is still on!
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People just want to believe in whatever they wanted. See Grinch Leak.
There are few red flags there and no one listens to leakers that disconfirmed the leaks.
Personally, I think Spirits do kind of deconfirm characters. They were introduced as "characters other than fighters" thing. Only alter egos of playable characters exist and Fighter Spirits are way different from normal.
I wonder if "upgraded" characters are possible in potential future Fighter Passes. It seems like there is a lot of demand. You could probably make a good DLC list from Assist Trophies, Spirits & Mii Costumes.
I'm still shocked people want Shadow unironically. I know he is second most popular Sonic character, but I thought memes about him and bad reputation from his game didn't make him wanted for Smash. I guess Shadow was always deconfirmed early and easy clones being acceptable now really helped him.
I wonder if "upgraded" characters are possible in potential future Fighter Passes. It seems like there is a lot of demand. You could probably make a good DLC list from Assist Trophies, Spirits & Mii Costumes.
I'm still shocked people want Shadow unironically. I know he is second most popular Sonic character, but I thought memes about him and bad reputation from his game didn't make him wanted for Smash. I guess Shadow was always deconfirmed early and easy clones being acceptable now really helped him.
Speaking of "leaks", Vergeben is now retroactively claiming that Cadence of Hyrule was the 2D Zelda he was talking about months ago. Which is weird...
Dude took the biggest L possible on Star Fox and is in full panic mode.
In terms of ATs I feel like Spring Man is the only one that really warrants an upgrade. Most of the other characters that got assist'd were either because they just don't work well as a fighter, like Andross or the Moon, or because they're not particurly relevant/important enough for it, like Waluigi, Lyn...and Isaac (sorry).
Spring Man on the other hand just got screwed because of ARMS coming too late.
It's unfortunate, but that happens with smash sometimes. Dixie has had bad luck. Some gens of pokemon missed out, etc. Springman should be good for smash 6.
I didn't buy it for that reason, and because of Doomguy.
Sure, and I'm not saying that all of those games heavily increased Pac-Man's capabilities either. I'm just saying that he was given more abilities than just what he does in the arcade game. :P
The biggest change in most of them was that he was given the ability to jump, and I also brought Pac-Man up as a character that had little "moveset potential" just looking at the things he does in his games, which is true. But it's not just the arcade game stuff.
Sakurai has taken a lot of liberties with characters, which while good for them, seems hypocritical if he would call out on bad moveset potential.
Mr. Game & Watch literally didn't even exist, he is just a bunch of references.
At this point he could almost literally work on anything and make it work. The only question is if it would really be worth it. Like, would a Tetris Blocks really be worth it as character?
Mr. Game & Watch literally didn't even exist, he is just a bunch of references.
At this point he could almost literally work on anything and make it work. The only question is if it would really be worth it. Like, would a Tetris Blocks really be worth it as character?
Yes. Tetris Block is always worth it. He's had a hard life and deserves adoration.
The problem with Klonoa is that it's more obscure than even the smallest Nintendo series represented in Smash Bros. Even Ice Climber outsold it. Sakurai has said countless times that not just any third-party character would get into Smash, and there's nothing remarkable about Klonoa's legacy. There are literally dozens of more appropriate guest characters.
Tetris Blocks would definitely work if tried really hard. Transforming into different shapes, like I Tetromino could be up-tilt or up smash. T-spin would be neat neutral aerial, O as down aerial. J & L as down smash, S & Z as forward or backwards aerials.
But like… is that really a good character to be playable? If we discriminate Minecraft to not have playable character, honestly Tetris kind of is too.
But like… is that really a good character to be playable? If we discriminate Minecraft to not have playable character, honestly Tetris kind of is too.
Tetris Block has a deep back story with aliens and space and Russia and stuff though.
Yeah, I'm sure Spring Man will get his chance next time around. The problem is that the next Smash game is so far out. But hey, I waited until Ultimate for the Inklings, so I can wait a bit longer for Spring Man.
The wait for ultimate was so short though
Spingman fans waiting like olimar fans waited for brawl
Or ridley and k.rool fans waiting through melee, brawl, smash 4, and until ultimate.
To be fair Game and Watch and the other surprise characters are chosen with the intention of being batshit insane and being unconventional.
This was the same man who was convinced he couldn't make a Space Dragon work until people kept bugging him about it but made a Toy Robot work.
Tetris is one of the biggest games of all time. Everyone and their grandma know what Tetris is (and saying it's literally everyone and their grandma would probably be fairly accurate). Plus, you can make a very quirky moveset out of it by playing around with the different block shapes and the mechanics of the game. You could have the "Hold piece" mechanic repurposed as a teleport Up B, the line clear as a sort of beam projectile, stuff like that. There's really cool ways you can make Tetris work as a character.
You can give something faceless like a Tetris piece a character by making it wacky and silly and even if on a base level, it'd probably be kind of basic, its presentation is so weird and unique that it would be interesting regardless.
And while you certainly could make an interesting gimmick around building shit with Minecraft, there's also the fact you'd still have a humanoid punching or swinging weapons and it'd have bland aspects to it. Steve still would have the iconic "punching a tree" thing going, have a sword or pickaxe attack (perhaps even both), probably have a bomb or dynamite stick of sorts, maybe have a bow. Aside from the building gimmick, there'd be very little charm to it.
I dunno.
That said, Sakurai has made me like characters I never was interested in before like Snake or Corrin, so for all I know Steve would end up amazing to play.
You can give something faceless like a Tetris piece a character by making it wacky and silly and even if on a base level, it'd probably be kind of basic, its presentation is so weird and unique that it would be interesting regardless.
And while you certainly could make an interesting gimmick around building shit with Minecraft, there's also the fact you'd still have a humanoid punching or swinging weapons and it'd have bland aspects to it. Steve still would have the iconic "punching a tree" thing going, have a sword or pickaxe attack (perhaps even both), probably have a bomb or dynamite stick of sorts, maybe have a bow. Aside from the building gimmick, there'd be very little charm to it.
I dunno.
That said, Sakurai has made me like characters I never was interested in before like Snake or Corrin, so for all I know Steve would end up amazing to play.
Lukewarm take: I've always thought a Tetris block was a dumb idea. It's not even a character by definition. People act like it would be akin to Mr. Game & Watch or R.O.B., but those two are sentient. A tetromino is the equivalent of a Super Mario ? Block or a Poké Ball. It's an object.
A Tetris stage or assist trophy would be cool, though.
A Tetris stage or assist trophy would be cool, though.
Shit, you're right. Though in my case, I'll take any playable ARMS representation.
I agree. Seeing a tetris block just literally running and jumping around is really...yea. anything can work technically, but not into that one.
I mean, Mr. Game & Watch and ROB didn't really en exist as characters until their introduction either.
The answer is obviously Mr. Tetromino, a character made out of all 7 blocks.
Honestly telling Spring Man fans to wait for Smash 6 isn't going to make them feel better when they're still making characters and when the next Smash game is probably going to be super far away.
The saga of Loz and Vergeben were definitely some for the leak history books, thats for sure
well that aat least makes sense sense to do, unlike when he claimed minecraft was in as a boss in WoL.......like 3 days into the datamine of the early leaked copies that determined every boss.
What do you mean? Mr. Game & Watch is an amalgamation of the characters (characters!) in the Game & Watch games, and R.O.B. is a cute robot with eyes and limbs. They existed long before Smash Bros.
The Tetris blocks aren't meant to be characters. They're blank tiles.
It won't, but like, it's still the best thing to possibly say about it now. Some games just time bad with smash unfortunately. Sakurai even said sorry.
why would he pick this and not Link's Awakening Switch????
That's just the way it is, especially due to the Assist Trophy being a thing. Some games just have bad timing in relation to Smash.
Using the genre breakdown found on Nintendo UK's site, I was curious what genre(s) are not yet represented with a fighter. I'm only considering the primary genre for each series, otherwise Mario pretty much ticks everything.
Why they split action and adventure I have no idea, but overall I think that covers it. Hopefully I didn't forget a series. I consider Miis for party cos that seemed to cover their general 'goes with anything'ness.
So what we have left is music (or rhythm as most would call it) and sport (if we're not including Punch-Out - which you shouldn't cos it's totally a puzzle game).
And so, for full genre coverage I'm proposing Bamco's Haruka Amami* for music and Konami's Power Pro-kun for sport.
Absolutely sound reasoning.
*I'll accept Don-chan as an alternative.
Why they split action and adventure I have no idea, but overall I think that covers it. Hopefully I didn't forget a series. I consider Miis for party cos that seemed to cover their general 'goes with anything'ness.
So what we have left is music (or rhythm as most would call it) and sport (if we're not including Punch-Out - which you shouldn't cos it's totally a puzzle game).
And so, for full genre coverage I'm proposing Bamco's Haruka Amami* for music and Konami's Power Pro-kun for sport.
Absolutely sound reasoning.
*I'll accept Don-chan as an alternative.
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His original rumour said it was a new 2D Zelda not related to Link's Awakening.
He just said sorry they couldn't make the roster from day 1. There was probably expectation for them to make base roster and Sakurai explained why they didn't because he was probablu going to be asked about it
I think extrapolating that him saying sorry for them missing base roster to them not being playable in Ultimate is incredibly presumptuous when we don't even know the full extent of what DLC is going to be
Rhythm Heaven could easily fill the Music category.Using the genre breakdown found on Nintendo UK's site, I was curious what genre(s) are not yet represented with a fighter. I'm only considering the primary genre for each series, otherwise Mario pretty much ticks everything.
Why they split action and adventure I have no idea, but overall I think that covers it. Hopefully I didn't forget a series. I consider Miis for party cos that seemed to cover their general 'goes with anything'ness.
So what we have left is music (or rhythm as most would call it) and sport (if we're not including Punch-Out - which you shouldn't cos it's totally a puzzle game).
And so, for full genre coverage I'm proposing Bamco's Haruka Amami* for music and Konami's Power Pro-kun for sport.
Absolutely sound reasoning.
*I'll accept Don-chan as an alternative.
I mean they had no characterization or even a real name. Mr. Game and Watch is still just an amalgam of the hundreds of different characters that they originally made up for Melee and ROB is still just the Famicom Robot even though the character has a bunch of abilities made up to fit into Smash.What do you mean? Mr. Game & Watch is an amalgamation of the characters (characters!) in the Game & Watch games, and R.O.B. is a cute robot with eyes and limbs. They existed long before Smash Bros.
The Tetris blocks aren't meant to be characters. They're blank tiles.
A literal Tetromino would be a dumb character, but if we can personify the robot we can make up an identity for those too. I'm just saying, it's all possible.
I guess you could make that argument for Rex since he's only a Mii Costume (it's damning, yes, but a sliver of hope still exists if we get a Season 2), but the Spring Man Assist Trophy is pretty clear-cut as to it killing his chances at ever getting in Ultimate.
Him saying that combined with springman AT and ribbongirl costume paints a pretty clear picture...at least to me. Just my opinion though.
Literally based on what? Like give me concrete proof that Assist Trophy means that they won't be playable at all during any point of the game getting new fighters?
Spring Man missed out on base and was given an AT to make up for it but with that said it doesn't disqualify him from being playable in Ultimate
Because he said "there's a 2D Zelda game coming this year, and it has nothing to do with Link's Awakening" right before the direct lmao
He later said that there's an eshop only Zelda game, he was the first one to publicly talk about it, even if it was already known by other insiders. Most clearly knew that it was actually an indie title, not a Nintendo game.
You could make that argument the other way around, when has an Assist Trophy ever been promoted to playable?
With that said, I recall the Brawl interview with Sakurai mentioning Assist Trophies mainly being for characters who won't be playable, but I keep forgetting which one (I remember linking it a few months back).
Can we all just ignore Vergeben? He's not worth our time.
In hindsight its actually kind of annoying how Sakurai says that character must display personality & do something only it can do (minus clones), when he literally just creates characters out of nowhere. How many are there?
- Fox gained a lot of moves unique to Smash, only vaguely resembling Arwing Moves, like Fire Fox & Reflector
- Luigi just does awkward things like that Green Missile, Forward Smash stab
- Ness is just Earthbound the character, he uses Paula's moves for specials
- Literally everything for Captain Falcon, except that his high speed was probably inspired by him being racer lol
- Ice Climbers shooting Ice because they are ICE Climbers harhar
- Mr. Game & Watch
- He literally just creates shit for Meta Knight, like ok he created him, but when did he ever summon 4 wings?
- Pit completely reimagined, only afterwards when another game was out was he made more accurate
- Just invented those rocket boots for ZSS
- Lucas also just gets the unique stuff from party members by having Duster's Rope Snake
- Lucario's Aura making him stronger when he is damaged
- ROB
- Pac-Man just steals other games stuff with trampoline. Not to mention really bizarre usage of fire hydrant
- Koopalings just have "mass produced" Clown Karts
- Duck Hunt just uses other Zapper games as well
Obviously, all of these turned out pretty great, but there really should be no excuse for anyone if he just does whatever with characters loosely being based on games rather than characters themselves.
- Fox gained a lot of moves unique to Smash, only vaguely resembling Arwing Moves, like Fire Fox & Reflector
- Luigi just does awkward things like that Green Missile, Forward Smash stab
- Ness is just Earthbound the character, he uses Paula's moves for specials
- Literally everything for Captain Falcon, except that his high speed was probably inspired by him being racer lol
- Ice Climbers shooting Ice because they are ICE Climbers harhar
- Mr. Game & Watch
- He literally just creates shit for Meta Knight, like ok he created him, but when did he ever summon 4 wings?
- Pit completely reimagined, only afterwards when another game was out was he made more accurate
- Just invented those rocket boots for ZSS
- Lucas also just gets the unique stuff from party members by having Duster's Rope Snake
- Lucario's Aura making him stronger when he is damaged
- ROB
- Pac-Man just steals other games stuff with trampoline. Not to mention really bizarre usage of fire hydrant
- Koopalings just have "mass produced" Clown Karts
- Duck Hunt just uses other Zapper games as well
Obviously, all of these turned out pretty great, but there really should be no excuse for anyone if he just does whatever with characters loosely being based on games rather than characters themselves.
R.O.B. has always been personified, though. That's my point. He has a face, limbs, a "father," he can literally carry out physical tasks, and Nintendo of America gave him a human name way back in 1985. He's not an original creation of Smash Bros. Neither is Mr. Game & Watch. The name was created for Smash Bros., like Zero Suit Samus and Villager, but the imagery and spirit of the character are taken directly from real games. Tetris was not designed as a character-based game. Tetris blocks are literally just that -- blocks -- so a hypothetical "Mr. Tetris" would have to be a completely original character the likes of which Smash Bros. has never seen.
I've been trying to argue in a similar fashion a while back, it's not worth it lol. They won't be backing down.
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