I was against it at first, but as others have pointed out, it would be hard to avoid the reactionaries no matter what the headline was.
I agree, but it doesn't illustrate an accurate description of this controversy.
I was against it at first, but as others have pointed out, it would be hard to avoid the reactionaries no matter what the headline was.
I dont about that, so i cant say much about that to be honest, but i would guess that most people didnt feel this way at least.
I agree. I'm scandiavian and i dont find it offensive when vikings are sometimes used as a character of scandiavian origin. It never really crossed my mind either from what i can remember. I'm just saying that there are different opinions about these things, so i speculate who Nintendo will listen to in this case.
And it's not. People is so sensible... They look like they always want be offended by something.
I don't think it's unintentional in that they didn't realize what the image was, but they were probably referencing an already racist thing without realizing that attitudes about it have mostly changed.
Which, I mean
I suppose from the outside looking in, if you wanted to see if America still made fun of native americans and googled, you'd probably come away with the impression that we're all pretty fine with it.
Still a bad look and I hope they change it.
Hey Bub -- I'm the writer of the article. I think this leads to a broader discussion of "is accusing something as 'intentionally' or 'unintentionally' racist still calling something 'racist.'" I would say yes--thus the headline--but reasonable minds can disagree. Not trying to sound clickbait-y.
More importantly, the article itself talks more thoroughly on the backdrop and how Nintendo has previously taken steps to avoid insensitive imagery in the GBA games (as you mentioned). But obviously we have limitations on how many words we can throw in the title vs. the story itself.
And it's not. People is so sensible... They look like they always want be offended by something.
I'm not talking about being upset about it, I'm talking about it being called an stereotype.Not being native American, it doesn't really matter if I "see" it or not. It's one of those times where you shush, listen, and decide whether it's a detail worth upsetting people over. My answer is a simple "no", and I hope Nintendo will agree. It seems easy to fix, so I hope they get it sorted before launch.
"Fans request change to racially-charged imagery found in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate."Thanks for the reply, earnestly appreciate the criticism. Always a good moment to be introspective into my own standards.
That said, I'm not sure "The Internet Alleges Super Smash Bros. Ultimate of Unintentional Racism Due to Fire Attack Reference" is going to get much of a different response from either side of the aisle. Anyway, thanks for the read regardless.
I'm not talking about being upset about it, I'm talking about it being called an stereotype.
If I was a native American I'd find that original game offensive for sure, but I don't see where the "stereotype" is. It'd be if they were suposed to be modern native american, but it doesn't look like it.
A non-inflammatory, non-click-bait-y title could be "Smash Bros. Ultimate Features Possible Racist Caricature Due to Fire Attack Reference" or if you really want to "blame" the internet and not directly call it racist to not trigger racists "Internet Discovers Smash Bros. Features Insensitive Native American Caricature Due to Fire Attack Reference".Thanks for the reply, earnestly appreciate the criticism. Always a good moment to be introspective into my own standards.
That said, I'm not sure "The Internet Alleges Super Smash Bros. Ultimate of Unintentional Racism Due to Fire Attack Reference" is going to get much of a different response from either side of the aisle. Anyway, thanks for the read regardless.
Just to clearify, that point was only in relation to Mario wearing a sombrero and a poncho in Mario Odyssey, it was not about the native american image being in Smash Bros. Herp Albert then mentioned another stereotypical image of a french artist being poor and saying tha he wasnt offended by that, so i replied and mentioned another example about scandinavians being portraited as vikings and saying that i'm not being offended by that. You're right that the vikings werent treated as bad as native americans, but its possible to be offended by that image due to what some of the vikings did (plunder, rape and murder as you mention. I'm not sure if that was too different from what other groups/countries who went to war did back in those days, but still). When i see e.g Torbjorn in Overwatch, i dont think of that the developers are trying to portrait scandinavians as murderes and rapers etc., so thats why i'm personally not offended by that. But again, just to underline, that point in the discussion was only about Mario in Mario Odyssey wearing a sombrero and a poncho, not about the Game & Watch reference in Smash Bros. I brought up Mario Odyssey because i was curious how Nintendo would potentially handle this situation in Smash Bros.Well, Vikings weren't treated as bad as Native Americans, that might explain your feelings. For a long time Vikings were thought as cool since they were tough going out fighting. However they were raping and killing, not so cool after all. As a scandinavian I'm not proud anymore.
I'm not talking about being upset about it, I'm talking about it being called an stereotype.
If I was a native American I'd find that original game offensive for sure, but I don't see where the "stereotype" is. It'd be if they were suposed to be modern native american, but it doesn't look like it.
Yo, if the squid kid in Mario Kart 8 can lose a fist pump taunt, this is 1000% more offensive. Caricature of Native Americans as "savages"I don't understand what's the problem with that image, can someone explain the context and why is offensive? First time seeing it.
Yo, if the squid kid in Mario Kart 8 can lose a fist pump taunt, this is 1000% more offensive. Caricature of Native Americans as "savages"
It's a reference to a game where you play as a soldier fighting under a flag resembling the Confederate flag against savage Indians trying to burn down your fort.Uh, what that has to do with my question? I'm not against it being retired, I asked the context.
Why would you be disappointed?Personally disappointed that it's removed, bit I can understand it with the source material. Curious if it'll be removed entirely, or just with the English/non Japanese langue selected.
I think it looks good and it fits in with the other animations depicting different games and designs like the sailor, the diver, octopus and the others. But like I said, I do understand it's removal considering its source material. It's not that it'll have a actual impact on the gameplay or anything outside of this. So I'm unsure what some on twitter are getting all fussed up about.
They're only removing the feather, and leaving it in other versions sounds like more workPersonally disappointed that it's removed, bit I can understand it with the source material. Curious if it'll be removed entirely, or just with the English/non Japanese langue selected.
It's becausel "We can't let the NPCSJW's win!"So I'm unsure what some on twitter are getting all fussed up about.