1. Atheerios

    Atheerios
    Member OP

    I think this deserves its own thread. Thanks to the guys at Switchbrew it's been discovered that firmware 5.0 adds compatibility with an unannounced Switch revision with the codename "Mariko".

    http://switchbrew.org/index.php?title=5.0.0



    The only thing we know is that the revision will use Tegra 214 instead of the current 210.

    The CPU upgrade is probably because the current Switch SoC (system on a chip) includes a hardware vulnerability that makes hacking possible in all firmware versions, even future ones.

    We don't know how different this revision would be. It could be a simple security upgrade or a new model a la new 3DS.

    Either way, this means future Switch units will have a different SoC and current ones will probably become rare (and more expensive because of the hacking possibilities).

    Update 03/19/2018:

    This may be bigger than we originally thought.



    Another Switch hacker replied that the 8GB bump may be for the devkits only for now, but these devkits may be related to a new Switch revision.

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    It's also convenient to remember what Nintendo said about revisions last year:

     
  2. Farrac

    Farrac
    Member

    So that means that current Switch users are in the clear if they ever want to install homebrew on their consoles?
     
  3. Cocobani

    Cocobani
    Member

    Being an early adopter pays off sometimes!
     
  4. It’s not a public exploit.
     
  5. Toad King

    Toad King
    Member

    Kinda. It means that the bootloader on those Switches are always vunerable, and can be tricked into loading and running any code and not just Nintendo-signed code. Actually getting it code to load is where the issue is now.
     
  6. Banamy

    Banamy
    Member

    Yes in time, don't update if you want it.
     
  7. udllpn

    udllpn
    Member

    Does this mean a hardware revision is on the horizon, or a new SoC doesn't really have anything to do with it?
     
  8. gcwy

    gcwy
    Member

    I don't think there will be a performance upgrade, not a significant one, at least. I could be wrong.
     
  9. KRBM

    KRBM
    Member

    The current SoC contains a vulnerability that may lead to a Switch jailbreak in the future. The new SoC is likely designed solely to close this vulnerability.
     
  10. Jawbreaker

    Jawbreaker
    Member

    Welp. I'm glad I have a Switch already.
     
  11. Pokemaniac

    Pokemaniac
    Member

    Unless we get more info indicating otherwise, this is most likely only going to have security vulnerabilities fixed.
     
  12. Iichter

    Iichter
    Member

    That leaves a lot of vulnerable bootroms for the Nintendo Switch.
     
  13. Thoraxes

    Thoraxes
    Member

    Just new guts that are the same as the old but with the loophole closed, maybe better power efficiency or reduced hardware footprint to cut on costs for them to increase profit.

    No hardware revision like a new model or anything.
     
  14. Anteo

    Anteo
    Member

    Haha yeah. Id still buy a new swiych before trying tho
     
  15. UltraGashInferno

    UltraGashInferno
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    that super rare item with only over 10 million made!
     
  16. Phonzo

    Phonzo
    Member

    The switch is finally going to be worth the price tag i paid for soon.
     
  17. Apopheniac

    Apopheniac
    Member

    How do you stop updates on the Switch? Does it require disconnecting from the Internet completely, or is it just update prompts like on the 3DS?
     
  18. Iichter

    Iichter
    Member

    https://switch.hacks.guide/blocking-updates

    You are not completely disconnected but you don't have access to eshop anymore I think.
     
  19. http://switch.cfw.guide/guide/blocking-updates/ - just change DNS settings to manual pretty much. However, this does limit all internet as far as I know but I haven't tested going online. For me it's fine because I always play single player games anyway (until Smash comes out later this year).
     
  20. kvetcha

    kvetcha
    Member

    I’d be curious what else this new SOC is packing since I doubt they’ve got any 20nm lines still pumping out X1s.
     
  21. Atheerios

    Atheerios
    Member OP

    Current Switches use the Tegra 210 CPU.
    New ones will use Tegra 214.

    There's a mention of a new SoC with the codename Mariko.

    There's even a different folder for it's data. Current model uses the "nx" folder while the new one "a" folder.
     
  22. delete12345

    delete12345
    Member

    I wondered if there is any insignificant differences between T210 and T214, with the exception that one is flawed more than the other?

    What I'm assuming is T214 is slower than T210 because there are more additional checks made securely.
     
  23. Farrac

    Farrac
    Member

    Thanks for the info, guys.
     
  24. Bishop89

    Bishop89
    Member

    I'll be glad to pick this up when smash, Pokémon and advance wars releases on it!
     
  25. maximumzero

    maximumzero
    Member

    Sounds like the many motherboard revisions the Xbox 360 silently went through, this this happens with every console and handheld ever.
     
  26. 7upguy

    7upguy
    Member

    If Nintendo silently switched to a 16nm process wouldn't people notice because some Switches would have way more battery life?
     
  27. ShadowFox08

    ShadowFox08
    Member

    Tegra x2 gives up to double the power performance also in it's highest performance mode. They can't just do that without an official revision
     
  28. Ikaruga

    Ikaruga
    Member

    Maybe 3-5 years down the road. -Or never.
     
  29. JordanKZ

    JordanKZ
    Member

    The idea of having to produce a new SoC to patch a security hole is kinda nuts. Still, this probably helps to justify the new major build number, even if it didn't really do anything for end users. But, between this and the new security changes, there's been some major internal changes.
     
  30. Atheerios

    Atheerios
    Member OP

    I originally posted that Madiko was the codename of the SoC, but this is inaccurate.

    Mariko is actually the codename of the new Switch model which will use Tegra 214.

    We don't know how different this revision will be or if it's just a security upgrade. However I think it would be weird to have a codename for a model where the only difference is a security change.
     
  31. Starset

    Starset
    Member

    What is a SoC??

    Am i dumb or something
     
  32. Midas

    Midas
    Member

    A little bit. :P

    System on (a) Chip.
     
  33. System on a Chip.
     
  34. RockyMin

    RockyMin
    Member

    Wonder if that's how Nintendo plans to sell another 20 million Switches next year. All the early adopters will buy the new Switches and use their old ones for homebrew.
     
  35. justiceiro

    justiceiro
    Member

    They really want to avoid a wii situation, huh.
    Anyway, so far this means nothing for the end user.
    [​IMG]
     
  36. iamaustrian

    iamaustrian
    Member

    I think this is just an updated chip which closes all the exploit holes
     
  37. TC13

    TC13
    Member

    Wait, I thought the Switch bootrom was patch-able?
     
  38. I would like to get a revised system, when will they be available and how can I differenciate an original to a new one?
     
  39. Thraktor

    Thraktor
    Member

    The fact that they're using a new numbered designation for it is interesting, because I don't believe Nvidia have done that before. As far as I'm aware Switch itself uses the second revision of the T210 chip (denoted A2 on the die), and I would have assumed that something as small as fixing a security vulnerability they would have moved to A3 rather than a whole new chip number, which as far as I can tell has only been used before for substantially altered chip designs (ie new CPU/GPU arrangement). Of course it's possible to read too much into it, but it is interesting.

    One possibility is that it's a die shrink. It would be early, but it's conceivable that they've used up their original commitment of 20nm chips faster than expected, and by this point a move to 16nm would be the same price or cheaper anyway.

    Nobody knows. If it's just a security revision then they could be introduced without anyone knowing and with no easy way to tell the difference.
     
  40. Vena

    Vena
    Community Resettler Member

    The bootrom glitch won't be released for a long time, if ever. Its not a Switch issue, its a widespread issue and its not a landmine many will want to step on or even go near.

    No, you will be completely disconnected after a week or so because you'll be behind in firmware. So you'll lose access to all online functionality with the system.

    Also with the way that certificates work on the Switch, the bans that can go down are irreversible and they can sniff out of a LOT of bad behavior in a very straight forward fashion because of the layers of telemetry and how the accounts are now integrated with the system.
     
  41. scrapple

    scrapple
    Member

    hmm, interesting...
    I did hack my DS back in the day after it was pretty much not supported after the 3ds took off..
    smart by nintendo though to do this
     
  42. Skyfireblaze

    Skyfireblaze
    Member

    Didn't the 360 have many codenames without much changing for the end-user like Jasper and Falcon?
     
  43. ShiftaDeband

    ShiftaDeband
    Member

    Hm. So this could possibly be new hardware? I'm not a huge believer in the whole "Switch XL" thing, but this is an interesting development. I agree with you - strange to name a revision.

    Valid point.
     
  44. TwinsUltra64

    TwinsUltra64
    Member

    I think Nintendo will develop a Dock with its own hardware specs, If you remember Kimishima said that they won't release a revisioned switch instead they will release peripherals.
     
  45. I doubt they do a revision before holiday 2019 like a full one. I imagine it’s just for security and minor internal improvements like the ps4’s update in 2015 on fat model

    Tho, I would welcome a really small super pocket-able model.

    Then again we don’t even have cloud saves and can’t game share to my knowledge so I doubt it would be worth the hassle owning two switches, one solely for TV and one for the road
     
  46. iswasdoes

    iswasdoes
    Member

    I would like it if my launch day switch had a hardware vulnerability that meant I could soft mod it later and Nintendo could not stop me.

    Is that what this means?
     
  47. Thraktor

    Thraktor
    Member

    Yep, and in both cases they came with die-shrinks to the CPU and/or GPU.

    Edit: Although not all named Xbox 360 revisions did, it seems. However in this case the change to the SoC is the only thing we know about the new model.
     
  48. Sanctuary

    Sanctuary
    Member

    Sure, if you are looking at it from a homebrewing perspective. I want a Switch eventually, but I've been waiting for more games (I can't justify the system for only three games, been there already with the Wii U) and hopefully some hardware improvements, which this seems like it will be doing at least somewhat.
     
  49. XDevil666

    XDevil666
    Member

    Thank god, I hope version 2 is more robust.

    I will definitely be in for version 2 :)
     
  50. mindsale

    mindsale
    Member

    I was about to buy a second Switch, guess I can hold off for the revision, even if it's as small as preventing homebrew or closing a loophole.