Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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How is everyone else's banding?
Mine shows up kinda nasty in some shows (I'm looking at you mindhunter)
That's not too bad. All the 2017 LG panels have some degree of banding.
I own both a 2016 LG OLED and a 2017 OLED. The 2016 has virtually no banding, but major image retention issues and some permanent burn in spots already. The 2017 set has some fairly significant banding (little worse than your set), but no major image retention issues and no permanent burn in spots (yet).
That's an unfixable side-effect of local dimming, unless someone invents a new type of LCD panel that doesn't lose contrast/brightness when viewed at an angle.
The issue is that the LCD panel loses brightness/contrast at a much higher rate than the LED array behind it, so the zones stand out.
This type of image is often used to prove the "inferiority" of FALD LCDs, but it really has no bearing on image quality when viewed on-axis, or when viewed off-axis in a bright room.
Same thing for over-exposed photographs. You can always make FALD look bad in an over-exposed photograph. Judge it from a properly-exposed photograph - or better yet, see it in person yourself.
lol, it'd cut into their sales so that'll never happen. It doesn't take much to realize that a Z9 successor is coming in the second half of the year, we just have to wait for it. New chipset they're showing off as a prototype, new uber tv they're showing off as a prototype... yeah, we're getting something new.
I am very curious to know how close Sony are to bringing CLEDIS into the realm of a consumer level product though. It's not like I'm expecting a CLEDIS TV this year, but from what we know they seem to have been working on the tech longer than Samsung has (at least from what they've shown the world), so I have to wonder how relatively close they are to a real product.
If you look at the measurements, this is provably false. 2011 Panasonic plasmas had a slightly better black level than the Sony Z9D and comparable to the best LCDs. The last two years of Panasonic and Samsung plasmas, and in particular the 9G Pioneer Kuro and the VT60/ZT60, have better black levels than any LCD to date. Now that said, I have both a 9G Kuro and a 65B7. The Pioneer is voltage-tweaked and looks amazing, a slight glow in a black room, but inky black on mixed content. It's only aside the OLED that you notice much of a difference.
The Pioneer plasmas actually crush black more than Panasonic ones. Panasonic has great black detail, probably even above reference? OLED crushes black a little too. That never stopped the Kuro from being the industry's consumer reference display for like 5 years running, or OLED for the last 3, but it is notable as a flaw for these displays.
They'd cannibalize lots of their own sales for the first half of the year. But yeah, it might be worth waiting unless you are trying to swap inside a return period or something...
If you used to be a Plasma owner,OLED is the way to go. Never look for an LED Panel.I made this mistake but you shouldn't:)
CLEDIS is currently at 1000 nits right? Can it go higher? MicroLED would be much brighter than that.
I'm curious, do you think a 4 or 8k panel capable of 10,000 nits would be enough to make you consider a LED?
Yup, the displays shown last year (and the year before, IIRC) were 1,000 nits and 120Hz. If or when Sony makes a consumer product though, they won't be using the same panels as the professional/business CLEDIS units. We know they have the technical know-how to produce smaller segments with a higher PPI, they had those 5 years ago. Anyones guess where the nit level would be when or if they come out with a product for consumers though
I think everyone here needs to see such a thing in person to see exactly what super high peak brightness does for PQ.
Myself included since OLED seems plenty bright to me.
I really hope that Sony display is demoed around the US.
Then show me something that can be called "new" for this year. HDM2.1? HDR12 or Dolby Vision + over 2000 of nits (GT Sport supports TVs up to 10000 nits in case some don't know) and dynamic Metadata?
If you tell me 8K TVs or MicroLEDs from Samsung then those are prototypes even beyond science fiction for now. I am talking the ground breaking techs supposed to see the light this year. If none of those is scheduled for this year then they are reintroducing their old models with a rebranding.
This is what I am tlaking about. 2018 is almost screwed.
Well for some who are planning to get a TV set this year, yeah this matters a lot. People can't get TVs each year, you know, and especially people who want to play in 4K + HDR.
If such TVs are out so late then they will miss the PS4 Pro and XB O X (which already has support for HDMI 2.1). So such persons need to wait for next-gen consoles instead, to buy new sets.
I'm sold on the new LG's. BFI and 3D LUT calibration. I will probably get one and move E6 to bedroom.
Alright, so they wait.
Just like they waited last year, and the year before that, and the year before that...
I would take a 4000 nits LED let alone a 10000 nits one. It would run circles around my 600 nits OLED panel.
What model does have 4000 nits scheduled for this year? I bet none right?
If there was it wouldn't have HDMI 2.1 either.
Either way. You wait.
For me, no. Black is the foundation of good picture quality, and LCD hasn't solved its issues with black level yet. Also, LCD performs poorly in HDR when it has to do spectral highlights against a black or dark background. It either dims the highlight or elevates the dark portion... may be minimal with the top-tier LCDs with hundreds of dimming zones, but I know that I'd be watching a movie in the dark at some point, and there would be a star field or highlight that would make the issue pronounced. I'll move on from OLED and plasma once MicroLED is ready for consumers.
The only HDR content that I've watched on my OLED that left me wanting more brightness was Planet Earth II. There are so many near-full field scenes of brightness that it does disappoint a bit IMO, would probably be better on LCD, but that's not typical of the content that I consume...
Not sure if this is the right thread, but I'm looking at getting a 4k player.
Not sure which to get, preferably Sony.
But I did see they announced a 4k player with Dolby Vision on there. Worth waiting for that?
Not sure which to get, preferably Sony.
But I did see they announced a 4k player with Dolby Vision on there. Worth waiting for that?
Can anyone recommend a 4K screen that's less than 50"? I want the best possible quality at that size, not too price sensitive. It's to be used at a desk (so the viewer will be very close to the screen). Is there anything on the market that stands out?
49" Sony X900E, possibly the 49" Samsung Q7F. But the Sony has better blacks and peak brightness whereaa the Samsung has near perfect color accuracy and better input lag. I personally would go with the Sony.
But since price is not an issue, wait to see whst the 2018 sets all have first.
I tried to search for one since last year and I couldn't find any good one. All the good models in 2017 were 55" and over which are overpriced. The only last 49" model you could get is the KS8000/9000 from 2016 or its equivalents in other companies (eventhough the KS8000/9000 were the best in 2016) and those models aren't found on the markets anymore.
Agree. At first I thought "who wants 10,000 nits?" let alone anything way beyond current sets. My C6 was Bright enough... and sometimes too bright.
But with the way the guy from HDTV Test on Youtube (forget his name) but I liked his video on the Sony 10k nits TV. The way he described the benefits gave me the impression that it has more to do than just "Brightness"....when it improves the overall picture.
Correct?
What? When did Sony release a 10000 nit TV? The highest nit TV they released was around 1900 nits. Can you specify this person and what TV?
According to John Archer the new Sony UBP X700 4k blu ray player will be $249, sold.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnar...ay-player-all-with-dolby-vision/#73fc740237c6
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnar...ay-player-all-with-dolby-vision/#73fc740237c6
All I can go on is what my eyes see and, without crushing blacks, my Panasonic ST30 is nowhere near "inky" blacks, unless someone can suggest some better settings than I've been able to figure out over the years I've had it.
Let's put it this way: If I turn the TV on to a black screen, I can very much tell the TV is on.
The Q9S or whatever it's called I think has 4000 nits but have to wait for reviews to see if it really delivers that spec. Samsung are pretty shady when it comes to peak brightness claims.
No If i need to be honest. The picture quality on a self emmissive Panel is simply unbeatable by any LED based Panel.
You can make a case for SDR content but HDR? Not even close. OLED can't compete with 10000 nits which is the maximum HDR luminance spec. There would be zero tonemapping required by the LED. It wouldn't even be a contest, actually. Vincent Teoh was really excited for a reason.
Only MicroLED/CLEDIS could possibly compete with a 10000 nit LED monster for HDR picture quality.
The ST30 has a similar or better black level as the Z9D. But that's still high enough to produce a definite "glow" in a dark room. The VT60/ZT60 and the 9G Kuro panels, particularly the 50" ones, have less of a glow. OLED is the spoiler for these, still- once you see true absolute black with consistency across all content, it really is an eye-opener.
I disagree, and in 2017 OLEDs won just about every major display shootout, including those with HDR content, so there doesn't seem to be consensus on what you are saying.
There's no 10000 nit LED available for a shootout, so I'm not sure what you mean. And even the shootout host didn't agree with the results when the LED in question was at 1800 nits.
Thank goodness that I found one of these since I really want to view some 4k content despite using a Panasonic 42" TC-P42S30 for about 6 years. I cannot afford an OLED right now and I have a PS Pro and XBOX One X. I will set it up this weekend and I will move the Panasonic plasma in the bedroom when I get a rotating stand. I also got an extended warranty too.
OLEDs still the best HDR Performer imo. Around 750nits combined with Infinite contrast,made my eyes bleed in a dark room.
I see. That has to happen someday. GT Sport supports such monsters not for nothing.
It would become affordable and suitable for a PS5 Pro (PS5 would support 4K for all games while PS5 Pro would support 8K in some games like the situation now).
That's quite promising. Wondering what the price will be. If Samsung's TV's don't end up doing much for me then I may end up going for the XF90. I was set on an OLED TV but, I just can't justify the price. Still using a 1080p LED TV from 2013 though, so anything will be a pretty big improvement.
Have you guys actually seen it in person and compare it? Just like Vincent Teoh?
Looks like the 900f replaces the 900e and they carry over the 930e 940e and Z9D while stocks last. Makes sense if 2019 is the big year.
900f also has some interesting motion resolution tech. Still it's hard to jump on a new 900f in 2018. Shame if wasn't out a year ago. I was in that limbo land of 900e and 930e.
I'm guessing Polyphony Digital is handling the DV update. Coming soon.
These blanket statements aren't true at all. It all depends on the TV you choose. OLED or not.
With 2018 being the year of the World Cup is hecking disappointing that most of the lineup is 2017-redux (aside maybe Samsung that apparently showed new stuff behind closed doors)
OLED have difficulties on reaching high level of nits.
If you're talking about new OLED prototype. That would be LG 88-inch 8K OLED and 65-Inch 4K rollable OLED
Sony Germany Guy said same pricepoint as the xe900 ^_~
Roughly on par with mine. I noticed a bit when watching mind hunter. I also get a bonus very faint yellow bar that's obvious every time I boot up Destiny 2. Other than that, mine doesn't bother me (but I'll probably still get it swapped this year).
The next bar for HDR for OLEDs to pass is being able to hit 1000 nits in certain HDR scenarios to reduce the need for tone-mapping for HDR10 content and hit a level of brightness similar to what the 2016 and 2017 TV sets were able to achieve. This most likely will not happen with the 2018 sets.
Dolby Vision via firmware update though, I'll wait until it's added. There are so many products that promised DV updates last year and all of them are still waiting.
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