"Far too toxic" is blaming victims of abuse for their abuser's suicide.I'm not reading through this whole thread, it's far too toxic for my liking, but I see that some confusion still persists. Tim Soret did in fact apologize for those tweets he'd made years ago, he did explain that he's grown since, and The Last Night no longer represents those views. It's been reported in many places, and it's really easy to google up, but here are some examples.
There are newer examples in this two page thread showing he is still trashI'm not reading through this whole thread, it's far too toxic for my liking, but I see that some confusion still persists. Tim Soret did in fact apologize for those tweets he'd made years ago, he did explain that he's grown since, and The Last Night no longer represents those views. It's been reported in many places, and it's really easy to google up, but here are some examples.
What is the difference between egalitarianism and feminism? I did a quick read on some google results but still didnt quite understand.
That's not feminism... he's making a bad faith misrepresentation. Feminism is literally defined as equal rights for both sexes.I think what he intends to say is not a feminism that wants equality and equal treatment but instead wants to achieve a superiority and privilege for women.
That's not feminism... he's making a bad faith misrepresentation. Feminism is literally defined as equal rights for both sexes.
What is the difference between egalitarianism and feminism? I did a quick read on some google results but still didnt quite understand.
Is there anything inherently bad about having that as a premise?
Or is it that you take issue with his depiction of how it would be like if feminism won
I'm not reading through this whole thread, it's far too toxic for my liking, but I see that some confusion still persists. Tim Soret did in fact apologize for those tweets he'd made years ago, he did explain that he's grown since, and The Last Night no longer represents those views. It's been reported in many places, and it's really easy to google up, but here are some examples.
Some people might care more about things beyond an aesthetic. I have zero interest in playing a regressive, anti-cyberpunk game.
I remember how ERA was so hyped about this game and it's awesome quality pixel art. Then the guy behind the game was exposed..Welp
Personally I don't care who's making the game. If the final product looks as good and has a decent gameplay, I'll just play it.
Even two pages of toxicity are two pages of toxicity too much.
The only toxicity in this thread is in Soret's tweets.Even two pages of toxicity are two pages of toxicity too much.
Not sure what the point of these tweets are, but the game looks sick. Can't wait to play it.
He literally admitted the premise of his game was based on a future where feminism won
Thats deeper than a halfbaked backtrack can save.
But the game looks sooooo good. Does it really matter if it's misogynistic when it looks so good? Like, it looks really, really good. Don't bring politics into this. The game looks too good for that. The dude say he was sorry. What more do you people want? Typical cancel culture going after innocent people.
Calm down, I'm talking about the topic of this thread, unlike the rest of you.
Maybe people might be wary of and turned off by a story-heavy game from a small indie team where the writer, creator, and premise has been shown to embrace gross values and a questionable understanding of the genre
I remember how ERA was so hyped about this game and it's awesome quality pixel art. Then the guy behind the game was exposed..Welp
Personally I don't care who's making the game. If the final product looks as good and has a decent gameplay, I'll just play it.
Calm down, I'm talking about the topic of this thread, unlike the rest of you.
Okay? That's not what this thread is about, though. It's clearly about footage of the options menu and that was what I was commenting on. I don't really understand the point of showing it without any more context, but it still reminded me of the game, so maybe it worked? I dunno."Guys, I don't want to talk about the fact that the game is literally based around horrifically sexist ideas. I'd rather live under my rock and ignore it."
I never even commented on that lmao. But you do you.The thread is about the game. And if you enter the thread to announce that you don't care about the fact that the basis of the game is that women are evil, you're going to be rightfully called out on it.
The genome for the game is some GamerGater's nightmare of the future feminism has created a cyberpunk dystopia
Then you see the kind of tweets he likes on Twitter and comments made elsewhere, and realize no, it wasn't a jokeI never took seriously what he said about the game's premisse because it sounded like a joke. A real bad and obnoxious joke, but a joke nonetheless, to mock feminists and etc.
I doubt that it was once the game's premisse, because it's too ridiculous to be true. And I doubt that Microsoft would have backed a game like that.
I never took seriously what he said about the game's premisse because it sounded like a joke. A real bad and obnoxious joke, but a joke nonetheless, to mock feminists and etc.
I doubt that it was once the game's premisse, because it's too ridiculous to be true. And I doubt that Microsoft would have backed a game like that.
But anyway, graphically it looks amazing
Really curious to see how the final game turns out
What's wrong with Glenn Greenwald? Dude did a great job here in Brazil this year.Good to know—last I checked, he hadn't personally tweeted something questionable for a while, but was busy liking a bunch of garbage
To anyone interested/acting like the game can be separated from Soret's GamerGate, misogynist views, my take from the other thread reflects my take today, so i'll share it here:
I love to make completely-straight-faced jokes that cast my upcoming game in a terrible light and then when everyone gets upset I say "oh, that's not the story anymore" instead of clarifying that it was a joke(?)
Come on, guy.
Then you see the kind of tweets he likes on Twitter and comments made elsewhere, and realize no, it wasn't a joke
Him being a piece of shit is why he made the "joke". Because he clearly only meant to offend and irritate some people.
What I mean is that it probably was never the premisse of the game.
You guys really believe that when he was pitching the game to Microosoft he told them THAT premisse? Don't be so gullible
Oh come on man. People are upset that he has horrible viewpoints on topics that might actually be in the game itself and you're bummed that we're disappointed???honestly resetera's reaction to this game makes me bummed on resetera. i guess you all freaked out when the new chapelle came out?
been looking forward to playing this since the e3 reveal
Don't you think it's possible that he misled them? Especially given how they stopped talking about the game almost immediately after those statements by him came to light, followed by them subsequently pulling funding.You guys really believe that when he was pitching the game to Microsoft he told them THAT premisse? Don't be so gullible
"He said it himself" ... On TwitterIt was't a joke. That was the premise. He said it himself.
What he told Microsoft is literally unrelated to what he said publicly on Twitter. The two have nothing to do with each other.
I don't think both of you understood what I meant
Him being a piece of shit is why he made the "joke". Because he clearly only meant to offend and irritate some people.
What I mean is that it probably was never the premisse of the game.
You guys really believe that when he was pitching the game to Microsoft he told them THAT premisse? Don't be so gullible
"He said it himself" ... On Twitter
So what goes is what he said on Twitter
The thread is about the game. And if you enter the thread to announce that you don't care about the fact that the basis of the game is that women are evil, you're going to be rightfully called out on it.
Word is MS pulled out of their deal, they were asking for investors last Jan
If it is people should know and we should be informing them. But until someone gets the actual game in their hands we have no way to know. The anti feminist talking points might be so poorly executed that it ends up being an endorsement of feminism and a scathing look at the real nature of misogynists, for example. Like that weird incel comic.Yup. It's nothing but misogynistic propaganda. It really shouldn't be allowed here.
Wasnt there even a demo for this game like, waaaaay before they showed it at E3? I remember Patrick Klepek playing it like, when he was still at Giant Bomb.If it is people should know and we should be informing them. But until someone gets the actual game in their hands we have no way to know. The anti feminist talking points might be so poorly executed that it ends up being an endorsement of feminism and a scathing look at the real nature of misogynists, for example. Like that weird incel comic.
Personally, I'm not convinced that this isn't vaperware now. It was originally supposed to release in 2016.