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The Gundam |OT| Destiny is something we all have to deal with

Oct 25, 2017
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I suspect the quality will be similar to the Uprising Robot Spirits, which were pretty decent. They're addressing Western market concerns that robot spirits often are too small and too expensive.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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AL, USA
One thing kinda jumped at me about that article.

but Gundams from series that were never broadcast on television, such as Gundam 00
I guess most people either didn't know or forgot that 00 aired on the Syfy channel? Then again that may have just been in the US.

Anyway, the line doesn't look bad. It'd be nice if it gets mass distribution at retail, if retailers aren't worried about another G Gundam oversaturation incident.

I remember the last figures I bought at retail in the US back then were some SEED figures at Rite-Aid, of all places.
 
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Oct 26, 2017
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Seattle
One thing kinda jumped at me about that article.



I guess most people either didn't know or forgot that 00 aired on the Syfy channel? Then again that may have just been in the US.

Anyway, the line doesn't look bad. It'd be nice if it gets mass distribution at retail, if retailers aren't worried about another G Gundam oversaturation incident.

I remember the last figures I bought at retail in the US back then were some SEED figures at Rite-Aid, of all places.
I remember getting a Strike Gundam with the Sky Grasper at Fred Meyer 15 years ago. So much cheaper than the same MSiA from Japan.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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NT was interesting. I think it was the first time they earnestly tried to explain the newtype phenomenon and powers as more than just space magic (even though it basically is, but that's the crux of sci-fi anyway). I liked it. And as expected it looks incredible
 
Nov 1, 2017
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Agree with above.

There was a lot of explaining of everything in NT which kind of was refreshing, like they were going back and outright explaining stuff in the previous entries of the series too to try to just clear the air I guess since they have been so vague with this magic stuff. Was a bit odd though at the amount of exposition going on, but it was enjoyable.

I don't see how this is doing anything new or wrong with new types, it's merely trying to put some structure into what is going on in words, while pretty much everyone already kind of new all this from watching old gundam media. Typically everything crazy newtype that happened was just "WHAT IS THAT!?" and just shoved away, here they just actually acknowledged it and think it was great how they bring this up in the movie, how folks over and over again just brush off past events and miracles created by newtypes, but that isn't totally true we find out.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Also caught Narrative at the theater. I enjoyed seeing Gundam in the theater more than I enjoyed the movie itself. Feel like tying Newtypes' sort of afterlife to Bhuddism is an interesting approach. Not sure if they're going to build on the reincarnation angle they've set up. Was thematically fine and I had no problems with it in theory. But the way we got there in terms of how it tells us that is... clunky. This movie felt like a lot of ideas that didn't come together to tell a coherent story, unfortunately.

I have to wonder if what happened to F91 happened with Narrative. It flashes back to stuff we saw literally 15 minutes prior so many times I have to wonder if this was going to be a decompressed story told over several OVA's and all of it's ideas got crammed into one movie with no room to breathe.

End spoilers: Also fridging the only two female protagonists for Jona's development is pretty weak. Once you realize they're trying to sell you on the idea that Newtype ghosts are a sort of Nirvanna for Newtyes it does make clear that the whole movie was actually about Michelle's journey there. But it still comes across as motivation for Jona to find his own 'narrative' (heh)

How heavily tied to Unicorn is it? I’ve seen it but not for a few years now. Is it worth rewatching beforehand?
It's pretty closely tied. It's not super essential to do a rewatch, though. Most of that is recapped in the movie.
 
Nov 1, 2017
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How heavily tied to Unicorn is it? I’ve seen it but not for a few years now. Is it worth rewatching beforehand?
Feel like a lot would be missed if you hadn't seen Unicorn. Lot of call backs to it. I think NT explains things clearly enough that you don't need to rewatch Unicorn.

NT is heavy on exposition
 
Oct 29, 2017
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I enjoyed the Gundam NT story more than I thought, especially after duckroll significantly lowered everyone's expectations. Funny thing is that I enjoyed the story way more than the usual mecha porn, the latter of which is what typically draws me to the universe. Agree with the above that the movie does a better job at explaining the Newtype phenomenon than previous series. I still don't really care for it in the overall scheme of things.

I think the ability to predict 20 years into the future as well as having ghost powers strong enough to control an NT-D mobile suit would make Rita the most powerful Newtype yet, right?

I'm willing to wager that duckroll's Eva-comparison diss was due to the fact that the word "singularity" is said three times in a fifteen second span in the dubbed version.

NT was interesting. I think it was the first time they earnestly tried to explain the newtype phenomenon and powers as more than just space magic (even though it basically is, but that's the crux of sci-fi anyway). I liked it. And as expected it looks incredible
I thought the exact opposite. Only the Phenex itself was well done, IMO, with heavy help from CGI. Maybe because it was blown up on the big screen, but I thought the animation was terrible. It reminded me of a glorified Flash/webtoon. The Jegans were indiscernible. It took me several seconds to realize that the main EFSF team were piloting Jestas. Those stupid monoeye night vision goggles didn't help. The main way I recognized the Silver Bullet was from its friggin thigh and leg armor, it was so poorly drawn (how the hell did he get that, anyways). Katoki's most memorable feature on the Gundam Narrative itself were the skeletonized shoulder joints during the armor repair scenes. The full suit itself never got a glamour panning shot, IIRC. The design is as forgettable as most MSVs and video game originals, like Gundam Pixy, Pale Rider, and the G-line.

Compare how Martha Vist looked like between the anime and this movie. I remember one scene where Iago, the main EFSF grunt, and a junior squad mate were looking up in a hangar. The squad mate's rank patch had three gold diamonds on it. During the dialogue, I couldn't help but notice those three diamonds constantly morphing into various blobby shapes. Finally, in the beginning of the movie, at Luio headquarters, which looks like The Avengers' back-up base, Michelle's assistant Brick hands her an iPad from a coffee table/desk. That CGI bezel-less iPad had aliasing on it. Stair steps literally a foot long, lol.

Being a Universal Century snob, I disliked the overall art direction. Zoltan, the main antagonist, is actually Trowa Barton's long lost cousin. Epyon called and would like Phenex's shield tails back. Gundam Narrative's A-pack is a poor man's Strike Freedom Meteor system. Sentinel's Deep Striker, a classic Katoki design, would never fit in the Seed universe. But I concede this is nitpicking.

How heavily tied to Unicorn is it? I’ve seen it but not for a few years now. Is it worth rewatching beforehand?
It's pretty well-tied in, I thought, but I don't think you need to rewatch the anime. There were plenty of references to the 0079 anime, Zeta Gundam, and Char's Counterattack, as well.

The ultimate reference would've been if Iago was named Yuu Kajima instead. That would've made me forgive the terrible animation.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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I really enjoyed Narrative. I was surprised at how emotional it was, it kinda got me a little.

Though was it just me or did it feel like the story moved pretty fast with no real breathing room?

And the theater I went to was packed, I didn't expect that to be the case.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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I wanted to like Narrative, but it felt so disjointed with no breathing room between scenes. I understood what was going on, I just don't think it was presented well. It feels like they cut out a lot.

The mecha action was alright, but nothing really stood out compared to some of the scenes in Unicorn or even Thunderbolt.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I'm willing to wager that duckroll's Eva-comparison diss was due to the fact that the word "singularity" is said three times in a fifteen second span in the dubbed version.
Seems like an incredibly shallow comparison, unless it was a joke, because singularity in this sense isn't much like in Eva and it continues what was started in 0079 and the previous UCs anyway. Like people have stated, this was definitely the most emotional Gundam movie/series for me since 0080. We've had plenty of newtypes with tragic ends, to the point it's a trope within UC, but this one seemed particularly tragic. The best Gundam's have after all excelled because of the human elements not the mecha porn. Also like other people have said the Narrative was EASILY the most underwhelming new Gundam and the Phenex was more of the star.

I really hope this is the start of a nu-UC like they alluded to. I think it provides an excellent platform. I think they'd need to space out the next entry more, by at least a decade or so, so it's not still piggybagging off of Unicorn.

I haven't watched F-91 in a while, but I'm assuming people who still remember that prefer this? That was suppose to be the start of a sort of UC reboot at one point, wasn't it?

Compare how Martha Vist looked like between the anime and this movie.
Ohhh, yeah, that I definitely agree with. I remember when I saw her and thought "Is that the same Martha from Unicorn?! Where are all her wrinkles and details?!". Yeah, the humans were definitely off model a bunch of times, but I more meant that they've established a good modernized look for the series and, you might disagree, but between this and Unicorn especially they've balanced cell animation and CG for the mechanical elements better than any other series out there in recent memory
 
Nov 1, 2017
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All the newtype magic and such explained in NT was pretty much always known really. I mean they just kinda just kept doing this stuff and OMG mystical, but they are just pretty much outright addressing it. The movie even has a line about how people just dismiss the newtype magic as miracles and move on. You keep doing it over and over, it's not a miracle, it's a thing that actually happens and was never really addressed outside of plot convenience. Stuff like a newtype afterlife.. I mean yea? We constantly had the dead newtypes involved in some manner with their magical force ghost guidance and powers.

The movie is very fast paced, jumping from one location to another with little breathing room, it's nowhere as sloppy as F91 though which had huge changes in characters and time skips happening in quick succession

And yea the character models/animation was all over the place, some people just looked really bad and something off a tv show, not a theatrical movie.
 
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Nov 20, 2017
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Saw NT last night and I didn’t really like it. This new type space magic story they’ve been trying to tell, with Unicorn and NT, does nothing for me.

I thought NT’s pacing was poor, like one second Jona is piloting the
Dijeh?, then all of a sudden he shows up in the Narrative with no explanation. Though I did hear Michelle tell him not to engage the enemy because he was needed for something else, I didn’t quite catch it but maybe that was it.

Speaking of Michelle, these movies always have me confused with regards to the relationships between the Federation and it’s sub factions and third party partners. What are the authorities of groups like Michelle’s company, Londo Bell, Ecowaz, the Vist Foundation, etc? Weren’t those Freddie’s that Michelle killed during the Martha Vist capture? I feel like I need a federation organization chart every time I watch something from the UC.

Back to the plot, it sure did suck that the two interesting female protagonists are killed off in order to fulfill bland ass Jona’s arc. He’s definitely right next to Banagher on my least favorite Gundam protagonist list. Zoltan was a horrible villain.
Oh, he hums Christmas carols and is a psychopath, that’s all there is to him. Trash.

Recycling of the neo zeong, trash

Recycled Unicorn soundtrack, disappointing

I’m going to need to rewatch this since I did doze off a few times, but I was pretty underwhelmed by it.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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All the newtype magic and such explained in NT was pretty much always known really. I mean they just kinda just kept doing this stuff and OMG mystical, but they are just pretty much outright addressing it. The movie even has a line about how people just dismiss the newtype magic as miracles and move on. You keep doing it over and over, it's not a miracle, it's a thing that actually happens and was never really addressed outside of plot convenience. Stuff like a newtype afterlife.. I mean yea? We constantly had the dead newtypes involved in some manner with their magical force ghost guidance and powers.
But this is the first time that in universe it's actually acknowledged. We've had handfuls of people who recognize newtypes and their abilities are real, but this really cemented that the Axis Shock changed things for a lot of people. It was the first major event witnessed by millions of people of unexplained phenomenon that really proved to people that it wasn't just rumors and I think that significance was mentioned in this movie and will be important going forward

End spoilers: Also fridging the only two female protagonists for Jona's development is pretty weak. Once you realize they're trying to sell you on the idea that Newtype ghosts are a sort of Nirvanna for Newtyes it does make clear that the whole movie was actually about Michelle's journey there. But it still comes across as motivation for Jona to find his own 'narrative' (heh)
You say that as if the series isn't filled with fridging of both genders. EVERY UC series has important characters dying to motivate the main character. Hell, you could say everything post CCA was caused by the fridging of Amuro and Char
 
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Nov 1, 2017
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The newtype stuff was fine when it was just something that would happen for plot convenience. When they literally are using powers at will like Jedi and the mecha battles all go DBZ, they are going the wrong direction
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Newtypes magic has always been a part of Gundam. To deny it and to say that the franchise doesn't need it is to fundamentally reject and misunderstand what Gundam is.
 
I'm fine with Newtype magic, as long as we periodically get the smaller side stories on the regular pilots lacking special abilities. I like those as fun side distractions.

Also: Saw Gundam NT last night. Thought it was okay, then thought about how many actual stand alone Gundam movies there are (Counting NT there's really just three total right? NT, CA, and F91) and realized for a stand alone film it's actually amazingly coherent. Love all the Mech action, but I have to echo that the character art flipped from great to okay to meh at any given time. I hope it's touched up for the BluRay.

I also feel like it's a testament to how good NT is that my wife didn't blow chunks. She dislikes most Gundam (Save G-Gundam and IBO) yet found this film bareable.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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The newtype stuff was fine when it was just something that would happen for plot convenience. When they literally are using powers at will like Jedi and the mecha battles all go DBZ, they are going the wrong direction
Did your screening not have the part beforehand where one of the Production crew flat out said newtype abilities were like the force, but more steeped in Eastern religious principles?
 
Nov 1, 2017
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Did your screening not have the part beforehand where one of the Production crew flat out said newtype abilities were like the force, but more steeped in Eastern religious principles?
Yea, but mean this is a direction I rather not they go to far into, with newtype pilots just slinging magic newtype fireballs and waves at each other. They keep pushing more and more crazy newtype power and attacks going on, with NT literally having them tossing blasts at each other. It's moving from plot device to them bringing the newtype magic to the forefront a bit too much.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Yea, but mean this is a direction I rather not they go to far into, with newtype pilots just slinging magic newtype fireballs and waves at each other. They keep pushing more and more crazy newtype power and attacks going on, with NT literally having them tossing blasts at each other. It's moving from plot device to them bringing the newtype magic to the forefront a bit too much.
Think of Newtypes like the Topless from Diebuster and it makes sense lol.
When he was moving the huge tank, I was like the director definitely saw Diebuster episode 5

I haven't seen the movie yet but was this said before or after unicorn?
Before NT. They had a 10ish minute thing where they went through a pseudo history of UC and also featured some of the production staff and english VA staff. It was mostly stuff any Gundam fan watching this would know (or they're in for an incredibly confusing experience), but cool nonetheless
 
Oct 26, 2017
2,005
Seattle
Also: Saw Gundam NT last night. Thought it was okay, then thought about how many actual stand alone Gundam movies there are (Counting NT there's really just three total right? NT, CA, and F91) and realized for a stand alone film it's actually amazingly coherent. Love all the Mech action, but I have to echo that the character art flipped from great to okay to meh at any given time. I hope it's touched up for the BluRay.
Seeing people's comments made me think about this as well. I'm not defending the narrative decisions but Gundam films have never been coherent or flowed well.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Before NT. They had a 10ish minute thing where they went through a pseudo history of UC and also featured some of the production staff and english VA staff. It was mostly stuff any Gundam fan watching this would know (or they're in for an incredibly confusing experience), but cool nonetheless
I don't always pay attention to the behind the scene stuff. Not even for Star Wars and I think I am bigger fan of Star Wars then I am of Gundam. Guess I'm a fake fan then

I just asked cause I was curious if this was the direction they wanted the UC story to go or was this post unicorn thing.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Y'all need to stop calling Newtype stuff space magic cuz NT answered what it was.


Shit's just Bhuddism, y'all. Phenix is just a Bhuddist idol and it represents reincarnation in it's most on the nose manner. Bring a Newtype ghost is just Nirvana.
You say that as if the series isn't filled with fridging of both genders. EVERY UC series has important characters dying to motivate the main character. Hell, you could say everything post CCA was caused by the fridging of Amuro and Char
Nice job removing my spoilers to help folks who hadn't seen it yet remain spoiler free.

And what happens to Amuro and Char isn't fridging. No specific character is motivated by that. It's cause and effect what you're describing. What happens in NT is straight up fridging to push Jona's character arc along. It is the definition of fridging You're either misunderstand what the concept means or are purposely doing a "whataboutism" to sidestep engaging with the actual criticism of this specific story. And yes. Gundam does engage with it far too often and needs to do something new because that's another reason why NT just isn't great. Just because it happens elsewhere doesn't mean it's immune from being called out as an issue here. I'm not saying it's completely ruinous. It's over relied on. Typical. And just another big negative to a movie I feel is really flawed and has structure and story pacing issues.
 
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