The Last of Us (HBO Series) - Season 1 |Show-Only OT| Endure and survive (NO GAME REFERENCES OR SPOILERS)
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Requoting this video for the new page. It's her best video about this show yet.
So many more people should watch it.
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View: https://twitter.com/GenePark/status/1621302732538744832
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And Ellie has his gun.
Frank lives on.
The thing is, does it really make sense that Joel would "naturally" develop a father-daughter relationship with Ellie just by traveling with her and trading quips and shooting a couple of clickers along the way? He's been traumatized and closed off ever since Sarah's death, and even Tess (his constant companion and partner for over a decade) wasn't able to break his walls down, and not for lack of desire on her part.
Even if we took a plot-centric view of the series, Joel is unlikely to decide to take Ellie to Wyoming just because of a hike over a couple of days; at this point he has to be "nudged" / dragged kicking and screaming every step of the way. First, Marlene bargains with him to take Ellie on a simple escort mission with the promise of a battery and transport. Then Tess makes a dying wish for him to take Ellie to Bill and Frank's, telling him to "save whom he can save." And now Bill (whom he's also known for at least a decade) leaves him with some parting words about "men like him" protecting others - inadvertently twisting the knife about Joel's inability to save both Sarah and Tess, as well as planting the seed in Joel's mind of having a larger purpose beyond just surviving and scavenging day to day.
Could the episode have just glossed over Bill's backstory and have Joel decide to take Ellie to Wyoming because Tess told him to? Yes, but then you'd lose the thematic elements made overt by Bill's story, which serves as a kind of fun-house mirror version of Joel's. "I was never scared before you came along" - i.e. even he-men who present a stoic front become vulnerable and know fear when they find people they care about. The scene with the strawberries (and the luncheon with Joel and Tess) - in a devastated world, it is still possible for life to grow and to have moments of beauty and friendship and love; relationships are what make life worth living. Joel is portrayed as just as (if not more) capable and resourceful as Bill, but they lived completely different lives, because Bill eventually found someone he wanted to protect and build a home and life with, while Joel refused to let people like Tess in and basically went through the motions every day.
Sure, there are valid criticisms of the episode - like the manufactured tension and stupidity of Ellie exploring the basement of an abandoned gas station alone (kind of like the manufactured tension of having paths forward cut off by fallen rubble, or conveniently placed hordes of the infected, but I digress). So I'm glad the show broke free from the conventions of the genre and took a big ambitious swing (which landed, in my opinion) to explore what it actually means to keep on living in a world which will never return to normal, instead of how many clickers can be shot down in the span of an hour, or how it turns out other humans are the real monsters, actually. There have been plenty of shows and movies (and there will be plenty more) dealing with zombie apocalypses or pseudo father-daughter relationships between a strong protector figure and a young girl who brings out his vulnerable side; I'm glad this show took at least a little time and care to actually look at the characters who inhabit the world, whether they live on and become central to the plot or not.
The Venn diagram of these people and those who review-bombed TLoU pt. 2 because of Abby etc. is probably just a single circle.
it is exhausting, to be honest.
If this was a cis heterosexual couple there would be 0 backlash. If we go to the core of this episode, this is a post apocalyptic version of pixar's Up prologue and we know that is universally praised by critics and the public.
It really is exhausting that people cannot look at a same sex story without complaining, it is exhausting having to always justify our existence and our representation. And gamers are some of the fucking worst with this.
But well, whatever. As long as we have the right wing agit prop media machine running, the religious braindead fanatics and the overall bigots, we will always have to fight and push back. I just sometimes wish there was a hell so all these fuckers could burn there forever.
in a way also I think Joel *needs* that push from Bill - and perhaps specifically Bill as he was such a defensive person before Frank his words may have more weight.
He's been disconnected from normal life since Sarah and now he's lost Tess too. He *might* have developed a better relationship with Ellie naturally, or he may go back to his ways and treat her like a cargo or at best a favour to Tess. Bill's words are useful in pushing him to a place he isn't comfortable - opening up to other people. That allows his relationship with Ellie to evolve IMO
edit: sorry missed jgwhiteus post - said it beautifully
Little surprised the show took a different route to Bill & Frank's story, but a welcoming one.
The episode was a mixture of wholesome, tragic and bittersweet.
The episode was a mixture of wholesome, tragic and bittersweet.
That's sad to hear, may she rest in peace x
She played Tess amazingly in game.
edit: not show, different actress.
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My bad, I've misread the wiki. Both actresses did an incredible job.
Apart from the obvious CGI outdoors backgrounds in the beginning (the wood/forest shots were the most obvious)
this was a fantastic episode. Loved it.
Normal disaster and apocalypse stories had conditioned us to see traitors and grimdark in every corner, so I was thinking who was betraying who with Bill and Frank until the first timeskip.
Also, so sad that Ellie didn't troll Joel with the Tampex and asking what these were. She seems to be the character that would do that.
this was a fantastic episode. Loved it.
Normal disaster and apocalypse stories had conditioned us to see traitors and grimdark in every corner, so I was thinking who was betraying who with Bill and Frank until the first timeskip.
Also, so sad that Ellie didn't troll Joel with the Tampex and asking what these were. She seems to be the character that would do that.
I've thought about this episode every single day since it aired. Humans and their ways of sharing love can be so beautiful.
Finally got my wife to watch the first episode last night. I really wasn't sure how she would take to it as she's typically not into anything horror like, like zombies, and the show having a bleak looking theme to it just might not jive with her. She asked me what it was about and I told her a few times to just watch it and go into it blind, but then last night I thought maybe it was better to at least tell her it's about an apocalyptical event so that she would at least have some mental mindset for the type of show.
She absolutely loved it. In the beginning she just loved how the characters interacted with each other. When Sarah died she was completely caught off guard and in shock because she thought she was the main character. Watching that reaction and seeing someone else's reaction when they had no expectation was a joy to see. By the end she wanted to immediately watch the next episode thinking only two had aired, but when I told her there was two, she knew she wouldn't be able to stay up late enough to watch both but knew if she started another she'd have to watch both.
So tonight, we're watching Ep. 2 and 3 and I can't wait to see how she reacts to those since I've already seen them which will mean we can watch Ep 4 this weekend. I kind of expected her to like the first ep and say it was good, but also say not really for her but was not prepared for how much she loved the first ep. She was even surprised that it was based on a game and asked how the first ep compared. I know this is a show only thread so I won't say anything more about that. It's been really great to see how she takes to this as someone new to the story. Can't wait for tonight!
She absolutely loved it. In the beginning she just loved how the characters interacted with each other. When Sarah died she was completely caught off guard and in shock because she thought she was the main character. Watching that reaction and seeing someone else's reaction when they had no expectation was a joy to see. By the end she wanted to immediately watch the next episode thinking only two had aired, but when I told her there was two, she knew she wouldn't be able to stay up late enough to watch both but knew if she started another she'd have to watch both.
So tonight, we're watching Ep. 2 and 3 and I can't wait to see how she reacts to those since I've already seen them which will mean we can watch Ep 4 this weekend. I kind of expected her to like the first ep and say it was good, but also say not really for her but was not prepared for how much she loved the first ep. She was even surprised that it was based on a game and asked how the first ep compared. I know this is a show only thread so I won't say anything more about that. It's been really great to see how she takes to this as someone new to the story. Can't wait for tonight!
Wow episode 3 fucking killed me, tears from the piano scene on to the end, amazing episode. I kept constantly trying to figure out the guy playing Frank and then i was like oh yeah! the manager from White Lotus! On a dark note, it makes me furious this masterpiece episode is being review bombed, i fucking hate people
I'm ashamed to admit I've had this on my wishlist for a while, but I always decide to watch something else. Love the gif. :pSure! Have you seen the movie Prospect (2018)? It's a great sci-fi movie with Pedro Pascal and Sophie Thatcher. It has such a great mood, and the soundtrack is so good. It's actually one of my favorite sci-fi movies ever. I love it more each time I watch it. Highly recommended.
Lots of people love that show(WL). Does Pascal get lots of on screen time on Narcos?
And I don't mind Cage. lol
Had no idea he was in Physical. Definitely need to push it up my list now.
Curious about what makes Devs difficult.
Pedro is in every episode, but he does get less screentime than Moura and Halbrook in the first two seasons.
Caught up on the latest and this episode hit me like nothing since the last two episodes of Station Eleven. Just an incredibly beautifully told story, and it fits so naturally into Joel and Ellie's journey.
Thank you! At the start it was killing me trying to remember where I knew him from, but forgot to care about it by the midway point lol
This last episode got me nitpicking like crazy. Nobody calls it Cumberland Farms, it should be Cumbys! The gas pumps are Exxon branded for some reason. Also, Bill breaks into a power plant called "New Bedford" when it's nowhere near where they should be in the show!
WORST EPISODE EVER! SHOW RUINED!!
Heh I had the same thought about Cumby's, but gave it a pass because they were from before Ellie's time
The New Beige power plant I also noticed and did not give a pass lol
It can be very slow and the characters sometimes act like robots, but it's rewarding.
Show is filmed in Alberta Canada so you're definitely going to get some mountainous terrain/foliage. Boston was Calgary, Fish Creek provincial park was their hiking spot this episode, an Esso stood in for Exxon, and they built an entire actual town in the middle of a rural area for the setting in Ep.3. The Canadian Rockies will be standing in for Wyoming soon too. Western Canadians will recognize Canmore.
Pedro episode of SNL just came on. There's a good chance that there will be some TLoU-inspired sketch since both promos were about it.
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Episode 4: Please Hold to My Hand
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The fourth episode is now live!
Title: Please Hold to My Hand
Directed by: Jeremy Webb
Written by: Craig Mazin
Runtime: 51 minutes
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This is not related to the games or even a spoiler, but there is a weird amount of footage from this show that gives the impression that this or that thing will be in an episode, when it isn't.
I really think they should have considered condensing more content like they did in episode 1.
I really think they should have considered condensing more content like they did in episode 1.
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Yeah, felt really short after how long the last episode and the premiere were. Glad we're getting the next one a couple days earlier.
Great episode. Damn........Ellie and Ellie/Joel's relationship is growing on me the more I hear from her and slowly seeing her crack Joel's walls. That scene with the diarrhea joke seemed like the first time had a good laugh in a while.
Joel 56?
Joel 56?
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Today's episode was great as usual. The chemistry between them is amazing. What a perfect casting for these two.
I lost it at the last joke.
I lost it at the last joke.
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