Fuck. I think this tweet spoiled the hell out of the game!
quoting to watch later
Like at some point playing TLOU2 you are going to stab a dog to death and a trophy notification is going to pop up. A game which simulates violence as a core, repeated mechanic can muse a bit on the impact of violence, but ultimately it does ring a little hollow. Making analogies to other media that deal with violence and suffering is tricky because a movie like Schindler's List is inherently anti-violence. All of the action it depicts is sorrowful and pathetic and sad.
Francois Truffaut said, "There's no such thing as an anti-war movie." What he meant is that a war movie can narratively be anti-war, but if it depicts violence and conflict in exciting ways the audience is going to be enamored with that violence. That's the same trap TLOU2 falls into. It can tell a story about how violence consumes these characters and ruins their lives, but the player is having a blast beating dogs to death and setting elaborate pipe bomb traps that kill enemy characters with names.
How can a work of art criticize violence while making it so fun?
No problem, the post was probably a bit vague (too much tension in the air).If we cannot discuss it then we won't.
But I think I misunderstood your post then.
I think it's a common misconception that games need to be "fun". Games don't need to be fun any more than a book or a movie needs to be fun.It would be bananas if this game has racks of perfect scores but the core gameplay mechanic isn't fun.
I swear we dont see these kind of posts with other equally violent games, its a ND thing.
he mentions in the video that audio got fucked in his capture process.
How?
That "gameplay" flaws. I hope she didn't mean what I'm thinking about right now. Jesus!
It would be bananas if this game has racks of perfect scores but the core gameplay mechanic isn't fun.
MK11 does not suggest you are a bad person for ripping out someone's spine. Quite the opposite.Exactly. All this finger wagging about Naughty Dog's depiction of violence is completely absent when talking about games like Mortal Kombat 11, which actually disgusts me with its excessive and photo-realistic gore.
they're only allowed to show and discuss story/gameplay from sections/chapters of the game shown in prerelease marketing. From Griz Gamin's video review:Wish all these people were clear and told us the restrictions instead of causing FUD
It's a matter of tone. MK is Evil Dead/Brain Dead stuff. Not really comparable to how TLOU is handling violenceExactly. All this finger wagging about Naughty Dog's depiction of violence is completely absent when talking about games like Mortal Kombat 11, which actually disgusts me with its excessive and photo-realistic gore.
I don't even know what a gameplay flaw could be other than bugs or glitches.That "gameplay" flaws. I hope she didn't mean what I'm thinking about right now. Jesus!
Exactly. All this finger wagging about Naughty Dog's depiction of violence is completely absent when talking about games like Mortal Kombat 11, which actually disgusts me with its excessive and photo-realistic gore.
It's a matter of tone. MK is Evil Dead/Brain Dead stuff. Not really comparable to how TLOU is handling violence
Exactly. All this finger wagging about Naughty Dog's depiction of violence is completely absent when talking about games like Mortal Kombat 11, which actually disgusts me with its excessive and photo-realistic gore.
they're only allowed to show and discuss story/gameplay from sections/chapters of the game shown in prerelease marketing. From Griz Gamin's video review:
I don't even know what a gameplay flaw could be other than bugs or glitches.
seems fair to me, you can be plentiful about the game's flaws only using footage and examples from the revealed parts.
This shit is so weird to me. Just review the game next week if you're incapable of discussing a 30 hour game without spoiling it.
Well you're in for a treat with Part 2 -or probably not, if you loved the first one.Fuck it, started another playthrough of the first game. This theme song is going to make me tear up when I hear it in TLOU2.
I mean, that doesn't sound too bad. If you want to include spoilers in your review just wait for the embargo to be done, no?they're only allowed to show and discuss story/gameplay from sections/chapters of the game shown in prerelease marketing. From Griz Gamin's video review:
Nope, he is an alt-right-idiot. No wonder he hates this progressive game. Please delete the link.Well you're in for a treat with Part 2 -or probably not, if you loved the first one.
Mod edit: link removed
Enjoy an honest, spoiler free video, of someone who loved the first game...
For reviews I've read so far, authors pointed out with much emphasis on how much they disapproved and disliked some situations and resolutions they were to come across. Nothing close to any kind, any way of so called enjoyable acts of violence. And it appears the game succeeds on dealing with the dissonance.Like at some point playing TLOU2 you are going to stab a dog to death and a trophy notification is going to pop up. A game which simulates violence as a core, repeated mechanic can muse a bit on the impact of violence, but ultimately it does ring a little hollow. Making analogies to other media that deal with violence and suffering is tricky because a movie like Schindler's List is inherently anti-violence. All of the action it depicts is sorrowful and pathetic and sad.
Francois Truffaut said, "There's no such thing as an anti-war movie." What he meant is that a war movie can narratively be anti-war, but if it depicts violence and conflict in exciting ways the audience is going to be enamored with that violence. That's the same trap TLOU2 falls into. It can tell a story about how violence consumes these characters and ruins their lives, but the player is having a blast beating dogs to death and setting elaborate pipe bomb traps that kill enemy characters with names.
How can a work of art criticize violence while making it so fun?
What? From what I've seen he just reviews stuff on his channel at least Sony found it okay to supply him with a review code, I'll trust their judgement thank you.
lol nice tryWell you're in for a treat with Part 2 -or probably not, if you loved the first one.
Mod edit: link removed
Enjoy an honest, spoiler free video, of someone who loved the first game... -He probably won't get many review copies from Sony in the future.
How can a scored review be considered final given those restrictions ? Those look like alpha/beta/preview NDA conditions. Are we supposed to get a new wave of reviews (that won't happen) on release day ?they're only allowed to show and discuss story/gameplay from sections/chapters of the game shown in prerelease marketing. From Griz Gamin's video review:
Because other reviewers did not loved the first one ...?Well you're in for a treat with Part 2 -or probably not, if you loved the first one.
Mod edit: link removed
Enjoy an honest, spoiler free video, of someone who loved the first game... -He probably won't get many review copies from Sony in the future.
Ok, so I have to report you. What a bummer.What? From what I've seen he just reviews stuff on his channel at least Sony found it okay to supply him with a review code, I'll trust their judgement thank you.
5/5
The Last of Us Part 2 review – does the long-awaited sequel measure up to the hype?
Naughty Dog takes us back to the apocalypse for a heartfelt and disturbing look at our own humanitywww.t3.com
Well you're in for a treat with Part 2 -or probably not, if you loved the first one.
Mod edit: link removed
Enjoy an honest, spoiler free video, of someone who loved the first game... -He probably won't get many review copies from Sony in the future.
This shit is so weird to me. Just review the game next week if you're incapable of discussing a 30 hour game without spoiling it.
Media outlets are reliant on getting in on discourse when peoples' attention is highest. Holding off on a review harms their viewership.This shit is so weird to me. Just review the game next week if you're incapable of discussing a 30 hour game without spoiling it.
Those conditions are literally saying not to give critical story details, not hard imo, a lot of reviewers have done fine expressing how the story affected them without giving details about the story. Also u gotta remember the story was leaked, they have to assume a lot of ppl saw them and that allowing the reviewers to talk about the story in detail, ppl will be able to piece the story together and put it out before the game ever releases.How can a scored review be considered final given those restrictions ? Those look like alpha/beta/preview NDA conditions. Are we supposed to get a new wave of reviews (that won't happen) on release day ?
That kills their ability to make money off of the review. It isn't like the game isn't spoiled anyways and embargoing flawed mechanics is shady as fuck.This shit is so weird to me. Just review the game next week if you're incapable of discussing a 30 hour game without spoiling it.
How can a scored review be considered final given those restrictions ? Those look like alpha/beta/preview NDA conditions. Are we supposed to get a new wave of reviews (that won't happen) on release day ?
You're not slick, stop posting banned reviewers on this site. That guy and his brother are both pieces of shit. You call him honest, that's hilarious.
Sounds like something else spoiled you then, not the tweet, because I have no idea wtf you're talking aboutThat "gameplay" flaws. I hope she didn't mean what I'm thinking about right now. Jesus!
The site is not part of Metacritic panel.Has this been added to metacritic?
I love it how when 99% are stellar reviews and that 1% is negative...that's the "honest" review, not the 99% lmao.
You mind keeping this wink wink nudge nudge spoiler bait shit out of this thread, pretty please? I managed to go this long without getting spoiled, would be great if you didn't fuck it up.That "gameplay" flaws. I hope she didn't mean what I'm thinking about right now. Jesus!
Well you're in for a treat with Part 2 -or probably not, if you loved the first one.
Mod edit: link removed
Enjoy an honest, spoiler free video, of someone who loved the first game... -He probably won't get many review copies from Sony in the future.