Why would they be forced to do that? Consoles are still very healthy. What do you mean by silently doing so already?
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Thurrott.com: Microsoft is making significant investments / financial backing to go all-in on gaming
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Why would they be forced to do that? Consoles are still very healthy. What do you mean by silently doing so already?
It was price mainly, combined with a disastrous media handling and messaging.
Okay, but what do you mean by "silently doing already"? Are you saying they're making PC ports/versions?
Hey I just realized that Paul Thurrott was the first, if not among the first), to originally break the news
(20 years ago this month!) that Microsoft was going to make its own game console.
http://www.itprotoday.com/windows-8/microsoft-reportedly-working-game-console
Then 17 months later...a different author and website...
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-x-box-fight-for-the-future/
Eventually lead to the official announcement.
Aside from that famous pre-rendered CGI video, the real-time demos were running on PCs with Nvidia's new NV15 GPU (GeForce 2 GTS).
Cor blimey, some real nostalgia there! Thanks for sharing. I remember reading every gaming magazine I could get my hand in go news about the console that was going to replace my Dreamcast.
My then fiancé gave me an Xbox pre-order receipt as a valentines gift!
What's the incentive for the PC push anyway? Are there any numbers?
First of all MS can't collect Xbox Live Fees, and everyone says they hate the Windows store leading me to believe sales are very low. Microsoft competing with Steam seems about as achievable as Xbox becoming a Japanese console darling.
Maybe this is where the Service games comes into it? Can't get reoccurring Lives fees, so get reoccurring game loot fees?
Baffling.
First of all MS can't collect Xbox Live Fees, and everyone says they hate the Windows store leading me to believe sales are very low. Microsoft competing with Steam seems about as achievable as Xbox becoming a Japanese console darling.
Maybe this is where the Service games comes into it? Can't get reoccurring Lives fees, so get reoccurring game loot fees?
Baffling.
I have no confidence from what comes out directly from MS office , that's why I didn't replied anything previously to past threads MS commitment to PC gaming or Xbox first party increase promises.
But 3 sources ?
Well where there's smoke, there's fire. Let's visit this thread again in 2021.
But 3 sources ?
Well where there's smoke, there's fire. Let's visit this thread again in 2021.
This is a weird comparison. PS Now is not a port of PS3 and PS4 games to PC. They're streamed. And you know that.
Wow, what a cool giff!
Speaking of Dreamcast as well as early Xbox news/rumors.,,.
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I'm not comparing anything. Sony have make movements on PC already, and will continue to do in the future. That's what I'm saying. Anyway, if you can play a PS3 game on PC via streaming the fact is that you can play a PS3 game on PC, and Sony is who is providing you that.
Wow, what a cool giff!
Speaking of Dreamcast as well as early Xbox news/rumors.,,.
EDGE #77 - Autumn 1999
Lol 'Playstation 2 killer'! That was some ambition. Thanks for the scans. Making me want to dig out my old magazines!
Streaming HBO vs Netflix
Movies Marvel vs DC
Xbox is the Netflix of streaming and DC of films. You want to be excited for their upcoming projects but you know it's gonna disappoint.
When Sony releases games you know they're gonna be something else. Highly rated, consistent high quality. A la Marvel, HBO. Because they are run by people with not just talent but also major passion for quality not just to cash in. MS doesnt really know what gamers really want, run by suits (ironically Phil doesnt yet still comes across as a mastered politician) who pretend like they understand but dont. As their portfolio speaks for itself. Sony for example cherishes, values their top IPs. They treat them with real care. They would never have let Halo be run into the ground like that. They would have made sure it was top notch, they would have never handed it out to a studio like 343 and they would have never let them still be able to run the franchise after not one, two but 3 failed attempts.
No amount of money will ever fix MSs issue as long as they are not run by the right people, teams.
Movies Marvel vs DC
Xbox is the Netflix of streaming and DC of films. You want to be excited for their upcoming projects but you know it's gonna disappoint.
When Sony releases games you know they're gonna be something else. Highly rated, consistent high quality. A la Marvel, HBO. Because they are run by people with not just talent but also major passion for quality not just to cash in. MS doesnt really know what gamers really want, run by suits (ironically Phil doesnt yet still comes across as a mastered politician) who pretend like they understand but dont. As their portfolio speaks for itself. Sony for example cherishes, values their top IPs. They treat them with real care. They would never have let Halo be run into the ground like that. They would have made sure it was top notch, they would have never handed it out to a studio like 343 and they would have never let them still be able to run the franchise after not one, two but 3 failed attempts.
No amount of money will ever fix MSs issue as long as they are not run by the right people, teams.
Money isn't the problem at Microsoft, they can still throw 10 000 trucks of money at everything and still be in their position, they're lacking direction, talented studios and vision for gaming, that won't change until they make significant change in their gaming division, firing Spencer should be a great start though.
Underrated post.
Underrated post.
They are already publishing games on PC, although by using offshoot labels. There's more coming, perhaps not from SIE, but it's obvious that Sony as a whole are receptive to the idea of publishing games for non-PlayStation platforms. It's not too much of a stretch to imagine that one day that's going to intensify, and if I remember correctly, PD have already said that they wouldn't mind bringing GT to PC or something to that effect.
You've obviously never heard of a series called SOCOM. Or Killzone. Or Warhawk. Or MAG. Or Siphon Filter. Or Twisted Metal.
Or any of the many series that Sony has mis-managed into instant failure, placed in the wrong hands or beat like a dead horse into absolute collapse.
Surely people don't actually live in a mental bubble where Sony does no wrong.
Firing the guy who put Xbox Division into profitability and is starting a service that can be a hit in the Microsoft future (Game Pass)? Spencer has moved already from managing Microsoft Studios, Booty is now in charge.
Microsoft are preparing for a future where hardware is irrelevant.
Jesus...
MS doesn't care about their IP's now? MS doesn't know what gamers want? MS run by suits?
HBO is Sony and Netflix is MS? What the hell is this post?
I'll give you credit for the Marvel, DC, Netflix, Sony, HBO callouts.
They've mismanaged and closed so many studios, left many IPs dormant. The Win App Store is hot garbage. Their past PC gaming efforts left nothing but a rotten aftertaste.
MS shouldn't talk big plans, but wow us with good and lasting actions/results.
MS shouldn't talk big plans, but wow us with good and lasting actions/results.
But haven't they wowed us with actions and results the last couple of months? The Windows experience has vastly improved, they've done many consumer friendly stuff, they made a nice box to play games on. At what point are you satisfied?
When I can trust in their lasting commitment, but that day will probably never come. Gaming isn't a goal for MS, it's a stepping stone to something else. Currently they try to prop up their App Store, because of Steam, iTunes and Google Play envy. XBox is leverage, so it's time to invest. I'm sure, they're just a board meeting away from changing focus to something else when THEY are satisfied.
Gaming isn't a goal? Dude, lets not get crazy. If you don't trust their lasting commitment than you don't trust anyone. They've bent over backwards for BC to ensure your games are playable on the newest Xbox and beyond. If that ain't commitment I don't know what is?
I think historically Xbox was indeed always seen as a Trojan horse. Even with Xbox One launch, you could tell that Microsoft didn't see gaming as a big enough business in itself, and therefore tried to shoehorn all the TV stuff in there.
But with gaming now finally becoming its very own entity within Microsoft, and Phil reporting directly to Nadella, along with renewed investments, it's clear that it is no longer a Trojan horse or stepping stone anymore, gaming is now actually about the gaming and they finally see that as a viable and worthwhile business in itself.
They're in catch up mode, if you can't create value with something new (creating studios/IPs takes time), then you have to look for what else you can offer. The BC effort is smart, but also just reactionary.
It has been almost 18 years dude, that's pretty established. They've been making consoles for longer than Sega did and almost as long as Atari did.
You're practically parroting naysayer rhetoric from the early 2000s but yes, I'm sure they can't wait to bail out and effectively piss away the billions they've spent establishing themselves as a player in this market.
It's not reactionary if the OG Xbox One was built for BC. Which it was.
So your post is moot. If you are going to come on here and post nonsense at least get informed or you end up looking like a bitter troll.
Nothing was built for BC. There is no native BC. They have to add BC via profiles and wrappers.
Educate yourself before railing against something you know very little about:
"The fan-first feature has evolved from an experiment conducted by two separate Microsoft Research teams into a service planned for Xbox One's launch – complete with hardware hooks baked into the Durango silicon – until the well-publicized changes to the Xbox One policies (namely, stripping out the always-online requirement for the console) forced it to be pushed to the back burner."
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2017/10/23/the-untold-story-of-xbox-one-backwards-compatibility
There is silicon in the Xbox One specifically to assist with BC, it was originally supposed to have BC at launch.
"Firing Spencer" Ahahah you have e clearly no idea of what you are talking. About .....and I mean clearly
Microsoft is investing in gaming because they are making money with gaming and believe that they can make a lot more money with gaming. If they succeed with their investments and make more money with gaming, they will invest more to earn even more. Is not hard to read on Nadella actions and statements that they are seeing gaming as an oportunity of repeating the success of Office 365, and they're gonna try hard.
The only of the 3 big that is on gaming because they don't know how to make nothing else is Nintendo.
The only of the 3 big that is on gaming because they don't know how to make nothing else is Nintendo.
You need to do a bit of googling. BC was planned from the start, and would have been here day 1 if not for the original plan reversals. The hardware has things to help with BC baked in to it. It was not reactionary in any way.
Hardwired functions to assist with BC, doesn't mean native BC. You can't play all titles, you still have to rely on MS to add support.
Oh no you don't. You said it was reactionary despite it being planned from the start.
