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TMZ: Kobe Bryant and daughter Gianna Bryant dead in helicopter crash (Update: Flight Manifest Confirms 9 People) (Read Staff Post)
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Against my better judgement I watched that clip of Shaq on TNT and now my day is ruined...
I recall him really struggling with the death of his sister not long ago. Now this. All the love goes out to him.
I recall him really struggling with the death of his sister not long ago. Now this. All the love goes out to him.
Hearing Shaq made me so sad, like he seems so heartbroken and so full of regret for not reaching out to Kobe since 2016. Whatever petty shit you have going on with someone you love, just let that shit go man, it's not worth it; if you need to say something to someone just say it don't keep it bottled up.
There really was no bad blood or funny stuff between Shaq & Kobe. Shaq is just the type of guy who's all about his business/work.. as he said he should really start taking time to talking more with people even to his colleagues etc..Kobe was regularly in contact with Shaq's son Shareef, even texting him a few hours before his death :(
All these great stories coming out about how Kobe was off the court, what an amazing person. Totally different from his on court persona. Helping with Haiti, visiting sick children, being a great friend and mentor, how kind, gracious, generous he was, etc.
His death has shaken the entire world.
His death has shaken the entire world.
Yep. It was reckless to attempt the 180 in that environment, terrain was too variable. I'm sure he was a good pilot, but it only takes one mistake.
I'm not finding anything to corroborate that it lost control. Just that it was definitely in a high speed descent. Pretty sure the NTSB hasn't claimed anything about losing control.
I listened to a couple of different doorbell cameras of the helicopter at the time of impact and it just sounds like a normal helicopter albeit a very fast one. The main rotors were definitely working in some way.
Yea man. Sometimes time just flies. Not everyone you know is going to be really close with you, and the busier people are, the easier it is for a lot of time to suddenly go by without realizing you haven't spoken to someone in some time. Especially if your lives don't intersect at places like work.
Think of the high school or college friends you adored but haven't spoken to since. It's not personal, you just lost touch in the streams of life. That seems to be the case here more than anything else. But like most, I'm sure he wishes he could say one last thing to him. He was clearly looking forward to his HoF induction ceremony. It hurts that we won't get to see that banter.
Heavy stuff.
I mean what other reason would there be for a 100+ MPH descent if not for lack of control. This isn't rocket science. That's not a landing descent speed, they weren't instructed to land at that time and they weren't near a landing pad. Process of elimination.
Bigger. My friends dad who is 92 y/o has never witnessed anything like this from a global standpoint and media outpouring. This man really impacted people. I'm still in a daze.
Not sure if this has been posted yet but Colbert had a pretty powerful piece on this last night.
I had no idea Stephen lost his brother AND father in an airplane crash! And that it was September 11th (1974) at that. Man, that date must haunt him for so many reasons.
I had no idea Stephen lost his brother AND father in an airplane crash! And that it was September 11th (1974) at that. Man, that date must haunt him for so many reasons.
Man, it still feels like this thing that we're all just talking about instead of it being real. Like "huh, for some reason we keep talking about how Kobe and his daughter died" without actually processing that he did die.
The whole trip was reckless, and should not have even happened. Anger is starting to set in.
Yeah it is for sure possible he lost control. But from everything I've looked up this morning there was no official statement that he lost control.
Also, if he did lose control, 180mph is roughly the speed of terminal velocity. So is it more likely he had terrible visibility and decided to fly fast around a bunch of mountains? Or something caused the copter to fall? Looking at it that way, losing control seems more likely.
Honestly, I just want to think there was no terrifying moments for those on board. :(
Yeah, it doesn't feel real at all. It breaks whenever I see footage of him and his daughter, or interviews from friends and players.
He might not have known he was descending or what speed he was going. From everything I've read when you go from flying visually to flying by instrument you have to literally fight everything your body is telling you about which way is up, down, left, right and rely entirely on Air Traffic Control and your instruments to keep you on an even keel and avoid obstacles. And he didn't even have ATC telling him what to do because of the terrain blocking comms.
Think of it this way. If you bank a helicopter you get force pushing you down to the floor of the craft. When you have no visual reference outside of the craft your body is telling you the floor is pointing to the ground because of the centripetal force simulating gravity even though it's not.
This is pretty much exactly what happened:
Warning--its very unsettling.
Sadly it is likely that there were, at minimum, 15 seconds of sheer terror on that vehicle. Likely much more as there was the rapid ascent that preceded the descent, and there was the 10-15 minutes of worry as they hovered and waited for instructions and safety that would never come.
I can think of few worse endings than the feeling of hopelessness and fear that this scenario conjures, and to have to live it with the screams of children as a backdrop...man. The only worse scenario would be that terror lasting longer as we've seen with some plane crashes (the famous crash in Japan that was a roller coaster going up and down for something like 20 minutes before crashing into a mountain, for example). At least this was over relatively quickly and there was no pain.
No, I've flown in helis. You can literally *feel* a 20MPH descent. This was a terminal velocity 180+ MPH descent, my dude.
I hope it stays that way. People are pissed and knowing how online outrage works, I hope the pilot's family is laying low.
Yea, in the final briefing vid that someone posted earlier it was stated that they were in a very steep decline at high speeds for about 60 seconds before the crash and it's still too early to determine if the pilot had control during that time.
I mean more from was this his every day guy? You'd think he'd know the terrain better. If it was a fill in guy that seems strange if the weather was that sketchy.
It was a fill in guy. His main guy reportedly refused to fly in the conditions.
I do think the pilot is going to be blamed and harshly criticized by the public. It seems like it was pilot error (disorientation) but he had a pristine record and lots of experience. It feels like a perfect storm because they took off in clear skies and flew into what that expert witness on the scene described as the worst fog weather he had ever seen in the area. I'm sure this pilot in his thousands of hours had flown through some fog before, but perhaps nothing like this. Such a shitty and unfortunate situation.
Any source on this? I've been following the story fairly closely and I feel like this revelation would be HUGE news.
Any source on this? I've been following the story fairly closely and I feel like this revelation would be HUGE news.
I read the pilot was the same pilot that flew Kobe to his last game. So not sure he was the fill in pilot as much as not his preferred go to pilot.
In fact here is an article that confirms the fact...
In fact here is an article that confirms the fact...
I dont want to speculate, but early reports said ther OG pilot either refused to fly or didn't have low fog training to request so he was replaced
This is what I heard, and if true, really should have been the first indication that this was not a good idea.
It doesn't change anything but if true lots of signs saying don't freaking fly today 😔
I forget where but I think someone who actually flew or had flown with Kobe said that he always let whomever was flying him to decide if it was safe.
Everything I've read is that this was Kobe's personal pilot and he used him for everything.
Edit: Yup
Not sure where this narrative that this is a fill in guy, because Kobe's pilot refused to take him is coming from.
Reading up on different things that can cause helicopters to crash and found this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_ring_state
Interesting quote:
Interesting quote:
Eapecially since he commuted in a hilly coastal mountain region.
Why the fuck wouldn't you have some form of terrain detection
You wonder why they would even sell one without it equipped to a customer living in a mountainous region?
Like, I'm sure he wouldn't have declined the option if made aware of its safety value.
I am far from an expert but in aviation if it is not mandatory it is usually not on board.
Kenny Smith mentioning how when he and his kids were at Mamba Academy the hill they used to run up and down for conditioning is the same hill Kobe's copter crashed into. Also him breaking down when talking about thinking he lost his friend Rick Fox was tough.
There are many possibilities about what could have happened, but this seems like a plausible explanation.
Helicopter pilots have told me they don't usually add these because they are very expensive and add a lot of weight (its also why they don't have blackboxes).
fucks sake
Maybe for your (above) average person who can afford a heli or a company looking to buy several, sure. But money was no object for Kobe. It shouldn't have been a second thought. Every safety feature within reason should have been on that heli. It should have been a miniature version of Air Force One. That man was literally worth a billion dollars (or close enough).
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Fair enough, I was just sharing here what they told me when I asked.
There are so many possibilities on what could have caused the crash. For all we know the pilot could have had a medical issue. Heart attack or stroke at the time. The stress of getting lost in the fog could have caused it.