As if we have much of a choice at this point.....
As if we have much of a choice at this point.....
We seem to talk like we do.
Well we do with the primaries. I meant the presidential election.We seem to talk like we do.
We seem to talk like we will be able to choose if this doesn't work.
Yes? you expect anybody here (apart from Tump supporters) to vote for freaking Trump just because the democrats are fucking up?
Absolute facts.
Maybe they wont vote. Maybe they will discourage others to vote. Maybe maybe maybe.Yes? you expect anybody here (apart from Tump supporters) to vote for freaking Trump just because the democrats are fucking up?
People want them to be better, that's why people are critical. They are the closest to being the "good guy" in this age so people expect better.
"I don't like maybe. I like victory."Maybe they wont vote. Maybe they will discourage others to vote. Maybe maybe maybe.
I don't like maybe. I like victory.
Yes? you expect anybody here (apart from Tump supporters) to vote for freaking Trump just because the democrats are fucking up?
People want them to be better, that's why people are critical. They are the closest to being the "good guy" in this age so people expect better.
Maybe they wont vote. Maybe they will discourage others to vote. Maybe maybe maybe.
I don't like maybe. I like victory.
Attacking anyone but Trump & co in this instance is garbage and reveals someone's true colors about who they truly think is the enemy.
And what will get them to do better?Going scorched Earth is not being critical. This is not getting them to better, it's dividing the party and depressing potential votes. If they are voting they're not using language which signals it to other groups in the party. They don't have to vote for Trump to let Trump win, all they have to is not vote, vote third party and convert others into doing the same.
MBS isn't an islamic extremist but otherwise yesyep plenty of Trump supporters now straight up calling her a terrorist, she is gonna get hurt.
and TRUMP is the one who actually defends an Islamic extremist murderer MBS!!
fucking unreal.
They, along with the Republicans, have been dehumanising us for years anyway.Infuriating that Dems not only allowed this but also helped in the dehumanizing of Muslims and Ilhan Omar.
that this issue divides the democratic party is a big problem and seeing where that divide is sounds pretty necessary to me
Fuck all that. Everybody here knows they will vote for the democrats when the time comes. That doesn't mean they can't be critical of these asshole letting trump and his people ruin Ilhan's life and even joining in. They need to be better, they need to treat minorities better and they should be aggressive om their Trump take down.
Then again I am not expecting the person who called Malcolm X a bad guy to understand.
"Why try and improve the party when we can just fall in line all the time with 0 complaints?"Divides like that mean Trump gets another four years. How does that help your agenda?
DNC leader Tom Perez after Trump's statement:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
And what will get them to do better?
People have said the same exact thing for years. Even before Trump and yet the democrats continue to be cowards and assholes. Go ahead and explain to me why this time is different.
"Why try and improve the party when we can just fall in line all the time with 0 complaints?"
On Ilhan, quite frankly, I support her but she has made multiple unforced errors and that is on her. I know she means well and I wish her the best but she needs to have a prepared speech proof read in the future
I have though. You're just being silly or contradicting yourself.
I'm guessing your opinion differs from his later opinion but didn't Malcolm X change his perception of white people after visiting Mecca?
There is nothing to be ashamed of. She simply isnt the best at choosing her words appropirately. Does she mean well yes, does she express it well? Not always . Its something she can improve on etc. Im not going to give her a blanket okay just because I agree with her political leanings.
scroll up. not good.
Divides like that mean Trump gets another four years. How does that help your agenda?
it's especially ironic because it's these centrists/corporate democrats and their milquetoast stances, clinging vehemently to the status quo that are responsible for the first 4 years of Trump.so be it. people always like to throw 4 more years of trump around in an effort to stifle discussion or to shift blame, in this instance onto the people within the party who stand with ilhan and expect their representatives to do the same. so to go with your hypothetical, if that causes some kind of divide within the party I, personally, have more of an issue with the other side of that divide that doesn't stand with ilhan, the side that not so quietly wants her gone, the side that as you've alluded to may be prone to switching parties to trump rather than hear grievances about how they handled situations such as these. that's where my issue is. so if standing with ilhan causes some divide within the party that somehow gets us 4 more years of trump (which, again, I think is a bullshit argumentative tactic to avoid engaging with the actual discussion of holding democratic representatives accountable when it comes to standing with ilhan) then so be it. the fact that you want people to waver on that because of some hypothetical scenario that trump could win next year instead of just doing what's right in regards to what is literally happening right now is frustrating.