"I call them in"
"I'll look forward to hearing from her"
Can't even maintain a sentence without a contradiction.
"I call them in"
So her "not choosing her words correctly" warrants the Tweet from Trump and calls to arms against Muslims? FOH.There is nothing to be ashamed of. She simply isnt the best at choosing her words appropirately. Does she mean well yes, does she express it well? Not always . Its something she can improve on etc. Im not going to give her a blanket okay just because I agree with her political leanings.
Hopefully with time and experience she gets better at it. That apart obviously the conservative media and its response is another discussion.
She's gonna allow them to go at her all weekend smh."I call them in"
"I'll look forward to hearing from her"
Can't even maintain a sentence without a contradiction.
obviously not. Trump is wrong. Everyone agrees on that. The tweet is a mess and puts her in danger and is wrong. However 9/11 is a sensitive issue and rightly so and words addressing it should have been chosen more carefully especially in a prepared speech.So her "not choosing her words correctly" warrants the Tweet from Trump and calls to arms against Muslims? FOH.
How is that a contradiction?"I call them in"
"I'll look forward to hearing from her"
Can't even maintain a sentence without a contradiction.
Says the person who intentionally posted a response by Pelosi about the NYPost, which is not what this thread was about.
This is honestly the worst thread on this forum.
At least we won't have to deal with Omar's bullshit after next election.
You don't "bothsides" Obama and Trump.
Go fuck yourself Omar.
So muslims and minorities are supposed to conform for party unity but the party can bail on them when it's politically convenient.
Islamaphobia isn't their problem, just muslims.
But you don't get it bruh, if we don't all unite behind these cowardly establishment Dems then the Republicans might win again and then bad things like Islamophobia and police brutality against black people might become institutionalised. Let's unite behind this party so we can end racism once and for all like we did when Obama was elected.
Let me be crystal clear: that post was about how you were ignoring Trump and his tweet. Do you get it now?
Of course you can do both but when people act like it was Dem leadership itself who sent the tweet while Trump's name goes unmentioned it's bullshit. The response should be in proportion. Look at how many pages has been spent on Democrats then Trump himself. Trump's an afterthought in this thread.
Some of you really want Dem voters to turn into blind worshippers like Republicans
minorities have been voting for the lesser evil for a very long time. and have been vocalising it too. doesn't stop the vast majority of them from voting left
This bullshit has been growing on Era little by little too. The proportions of the response is way out of whack. Republicans do some heinous shit and maybe 1 or 2 replies condemn them then the next 10 pages is shitting on every Democratic politician in recent memory. And when you call them on this shit they hide behind "Oh, why don't you want us to healthily criticize our leadership though!?" MFER I'm all for criticizing our leadership, especially when they deserve it, but if you don't think we recognize the way every time the Republicans do something gross, 90% of you knuckleheads go full on Fox News tier "Well what about the Democrats doe!?" you are crazy.
You all deserve to be called out for this stupid crap, so get used to it.
Agree wholeheartedly with this.
With regards to this thread, it's a completely valid point to criticize dems on not speaking out against this and also the abhorrent treatment of Omar these past few months.
Most likely because you manage to type so much and yet say so little of actual substance. It's exhausting.
Yes, it's not like reforming systemic issues like racism will be harder to fix while the Republicans control the government.
First off who am I protecting? People who hate what the democrats are doing?Bullshit. They detest loyalty the Dems and take the scorched Earth approach to anything resembling weakness the Dems show. I don't see them doing that to Leftist candidates. I agree they need to treat minorities better, as well.
The Dems are a wide spectrum, ranging from AOC to Schumer, that's why using "Dems" as a short hand isn't accurate, centrists, leadership or the establishment would be better categorising for what you're talking about. It's disingenuous to paint the entire party of "letting" Trump do anything. Yeah, some Dems are shitty with that like Schumer and Hoyer, you'll get no disagreement from me about them attacking Omar. Simply being aggressive against Trump isn't the sole answer, either, since Dems who do that get attacked by the media and the swing voters get enraged. They don't al have the luxury of having safe blue seat like AOC does.
Why is it that you're not applying "be better" to these other posters you're protecting? Is that something which only applies to non-Leftists? I've yet to see it addressed as such on this forum.
You are such a naive person honestly. These people need to be forced to change, they won't change by themselves. The more people are critical of them the sooner they realize they need to fix their shit.By acknowledging what difficulties ahead, planning meticulously long term and being promoted to leadership positions in the Democratic party. Being self destructive for short term gains isn't going to help anyone.
This is ignoring that how politicians act certain ways not because they want to but because the system and the people in it are difficult to reform. Those who ignore the rules become vulnerable and get isolated - thus, lose what influence they have. There are no simply answers here, or the Left would have figured them out long ago. You're underestimating what forces are against reforming the system, how deeply entrenched the bad actors are and how navigating politics is fucking hard.
They have Bernie Sanders and the Justice Dems now, that's the difference. That's the bedrock to build reform in the party.
It's how these threads always go.Lmao, can't believe we still have posters saying this has nothing to do with islamophobia and racism.
We have actual muslims in this thread saying it does. But of course our opinions don't matter.
This is not islamophobia. This is not racism. This is not sexism. This is reality. Look at how the hardline democrats are not defending her. It would be career and political suicide.'
This is all IMO. Of course. But well.. it's a career ending soundbite. This will be used ad hominem for the future. From her political opponents, both dems challenging her seat and republicans. Because, believe it or not, 9/11 is still a sticking point for many americans. Many, many Americans.
Lmao, can't believe we still have posters saying this has nothing to do with islamophobia and racism.
We have actual muslims in this thread saying it does. But of course our opinions don't matter.
This is not islamophobia. This is not racism. This is not sexism. This is reality. Look at how the hardline democrats are not defending her. It would be career and political suicide.'
It's political suicide because of how many Americans are Islamophobic due to nearly two decades of blaming terrorism on the Muslim community.
This is not islamophobia. This is not racism. This is not sexism. This is reality. Look at how the hardline democrats are not defending her. It would be career and political suicide.'
No, it's all of those things. Remaining silent in the face of all the things you mentioned is the world we live in.This is not islamophobia. This is not racism. This is not sexism. This is reality. Look at how the hardline democrats are not defending her. It would be career and political suicide.'
Bernie has already defended her.
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1116855482038272000
Warren has already defended her.
https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1116859387199533057
Beto has already defended her.
https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1116892621115461632
Castro has already defended her.
https://twitter.com/JulianCastro/status/1116900307995377665
Pete Buttigieg has already defended her.
https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1116905331219685376
How dare you come along with evidence and facts when people are trying to blame everyone but Trump for stuff.Bernie has already defended her.
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1116855482038272000
Warren has already defended her.
https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1116859387199533057
Beto has already defended her.
https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1116892621115461632
Castro has already defended her.
https://twitter.com/JulianCastro/status/1116900307995377665
Pete Buttigieg has already defended her.
https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1116905331219685376
Lmao, can't believe we still have posters saying this has nothing to do with islamophobia and racism.
We have actual muslims in this thread saying it does. But of course our opinions don't matter.
It's almost like the dems that have come out defending Ilhan were never the ones we were questioning.How dare you come along with evidence and facts when people are trying to blame everyone but Trump for stuff.
Says the person who had previously posted
My goodness, I hope people start defending Omar now.
Pelosi and Schumer have not. Potential Candidates and ostensibly minor democrats have. Hell, Bernie is more of an independent. Either way, 6 defenders are minority when there are a hundred+ democrats.
Bernie, Beto, Warren, Castro, Buttigieg are NOT the majority of democrats. Every Democrat should've rallied ASAP in her defense. They didnt'.
You're dooming your own politicians to failure with this mindset. More of the Left needs to get politically accumulated to how it works, or regardless of what they do the voters need to be able to recognise when to be stealth or up front because politics has certain rules to follow or you won't be in office for long. You think it's exhausting? It's not fun for this end, either.
You're moving the goal post when you dismiss seeing several presidential candidates (including prominent candidates) defending Omar.
(The Dem leadership still sucks for not immediately defending Omar.)
Unlike you others are capable to discussing issues in a more multi faceted manner and this particular issue highlights the problem with "our" party and is barely a footnote in the general utter awfulness of the gop.Everybody needs to stop discussing anything but Trump's tweet which incites violence. Anything else is distraction. Deal with Trump, then look at the rest. TRUMP is the source of the problem here.
I suppose I should have been more specific. What's exhausting is your singular and pointlessly verbose message of how the left needs to learn to politic™ better and this is how the real world works.
And then when confronted with some of the truly more bizarre things you use to justify this - like the aforementioned Malcolm X post (which is hard to forget) - there's nary a response.
So please, don't lecture me and other posters about dooming our politicians because we expect (and often demand) better from them. It's patronizing and aggravating as fuck.
You're right, the dem leadership does suck.
Potential candidates are just that. Dem leadership are those that have been playing the political game for years. Dem leadership, which should stand up for one of their own immediately, are choosing to stand down. Cowards? Sure. Playing the political game? Sure.
There is a rising heat. You have those that immediately try to stand against it, but they just burn. Those that understand how to deal with it, are more conservative with their words. Pelosi and Schumer are no fools.
Everybody needs to stop discussing anything but Trump's tweet which incites violence. Anything else is distraction. Deal with Trump, then look at the rest. TRUMP is the source of the problem here.
You are such a naive person honestly. These people need to be forced to change, they won't change by themselves. The more people are critical of them the sooner they realize they need to fix their shit.
Also go ahead and tell me how Malcolm X or his teaching is bad or how that makes him a bad guy (yes you said that).
People asked you last thread to explain yet you ran away. Go ahead, I am sure everyone who posted in that thread is curious.
Everybody needs to stop discussing anything but Trump's tweet which incites violence. Anything else is distraction. Deal with Trump, then look at the rest. TRUMP is the source of the problem here.
Do you think Bernie Sanders won't be the nominee because he defended Omar? Elizabeth Warren? Any of the other potential candidates who have either already defended Omar or may defend her in the future?
Trump isn't the sole problem, nor did he begin this.Everybody needs to stop discussing anything but Trump's tweet which incites violence. Anything else is distraction. Deal with Trump, then look at the rest. TRUMP is the source of the problem here.
So their silence in the face of severe Islamaphobia should be accepted because they fear for their political careers?The reality is
"Some people did some things"
Is a career ending soundbite. Yes, Resetera is 'woke', yes we know the context, but that soundibte is enough to get centrists, lefists, and right wing infuriated. Because believe it or not, that soundbite is damaging. No, you do not become an islamaphobe for criticizing it. No, you are not racist or sexist. That soundbite is enough to end any career. Especially when her allies, Democrats, won't defend her. Especially when it's enough to be taken out of context and to create a damaging video like this.
Taking that quote is bad faith. That is understood. Not understanding it? Tell that to the average person. The average person lives and feeds off sound bites. Not everyone is as woke as everyone on resetera.
This is disastrous tbh. No, this doesn't mean I'm appeasing the right. It means that I understand what words mean to the lay people. To the people who don't have time to discourse over what words mean.
Trumps video is terrible. It paints a target. It's fucked up. But it takes advantage of a soundbite. It takes advantage of the fact that the majority of Americans aren't ear-to-the-ground as resetera is. Not everyone is as smart as we believe we are. Not everyone has time to understand the context of what is said. They see a video, they see what a person says, and that's it. Will they search for deeper context? Alot of times, no. This is levels of "Deplorables" from Clinton, where that soundbite will be taken out of context.
This is not islamophobia. This is not racism. This is not sexism. This is reality. Look at how the hardline democrats are not defending her. It would be career and political suicide.'
This is all IMO. Of course. But well.. it's a career ending soundbite. This will be used ad hominem for the future. From her political opponents, both dems challenging her seat and republicans. Because, believe it or not, 9/11 is still a sticking point for many americans. Many, many Americans.