If there was ever a time for the Dems to go to "war" on Trump, now is the time.
I don't know how I'm supposed to trust someone who essentially says "I just wanna win, I don't care about anything else"Winning is never worthless. For a man so ineffective at fulfilling his promises to his constituents. Trump has done wonders for our court system to ensure his effect Is long lasting. In 1 term (hopefuly) no less. None of his results come form his abilty to govern. All he had to do was win. All of my ideals and my principals might as well be thoughts and prayers without power.
Did you forget about Bush, Cheney, and the gridlock during most of Obama's term? The Senate is still lost and a Clinton presidency would be no different than Obama's in the worst ways. That's a Pyrrhic victory.
Trump is a fucking muppet and has the backing of the GOP, which controlled both houses. Attributing this mess to his win completely ignores the fact that this is a systemic issue.
If your principles are that malleable, then why the fuck should Democrats bother pretending to be left of center if winning is the goal? Why not just be Republican-lite or go full on white supremacist? Oh right, that shit doesn't work because conservatives will almost always vote for the real thing. Yet you still try for those votes by acting like realpolitik is the only way to win while ignoring the base and failing to offer something to the disenfranchised. If your principles are so worthless, why should you, or anyone that's so easily compromised, be trusted with any power?
I don't know how I'm supposed to trust someone who essentially says "I just wanna win, I don't care about anything else"
Pelosi says he's not worth it.Wow; Insane!
Why don't the House Democrats just impeach Trump's ass right now? Or invoke the 25th Amendment?
He is making shit worse.
Wouldn't want to lose votes now! Everyone knows passivity fixes everything.Wow; Insane!
Why don't the House Democrats just impeach Trump's ass right now? Or invoke the 25th Amendment?
He is making shit worse.
Wow; Insane!
Why don't the House Democrats just impeach Trump's ass right now? Or invoke the 25th Amendment?
He is making shit worse.
In a sense, she's right in that any attempt at impeachment would fail because the Republicans are some of the goddamn worst human beings in the country and a failed impeachment attempt would spell doom for a democratic victory in 2020 since it would be seen by a large swatch of voters as political infighting. Never mind that the Republicans tried to impeach Clinton in the 1990s, that party is made of teflon because they have even fewer scruples than the Dems.
at this point I think the only two things that would get them out of their ass if people found a video of him having sex with a minor or Trump recorded saying "I worked with Putin to influence the election"That and unless there's something egregious enough to get Rs on board, there's no chance in hell the Senate will go along with it.
His supporters would write it off as fake news.at this point I think the only two things that would get them out of their ass if people found a video of him having sex with a minor or Trump recorded saying "I worked with Putin to influence the election"
and then shows the necessary documents
and then unzips his pants to show a soviet flag tattooed on his penis.
Doesn't matter if it fails. It's more about making a statement and getting people riled up. It's also about highlighting where both parties stand.In a sense, she's right in that any attempt at impeachment would fail because the Republicans are some of the goddamn worst human beings in the country and a failed impeachment attempt would spell doom for a democratic victory in 2020 since it would be seen by a large swatch of voters as political infighting. Never mind that the Republicans tried to impeach Clinton in the 1990s, that party is made of teflon because they have even fewer scruples than the Dems.
That being said, these people have private meetings with the man and should at the very least swing at golf club at his weak old man knees.
Ehat this point I think the only two things that would get them out of their ass if people found a video of him having sex with a minor or Trump recorded saying "I worked with Putin to influence the election"
and then shows the necessary documents
and then unzips his pants to show a soviet flag tattooed on his penis.
at this point I think the only two things that would get them out of their ass if people found a video of him having sex with a minor or Trump recorded saying "I worked with Putin to influence the election"
and then shows the necessary documents
and then unzips his pants to show a soviet flag tattooed on his penis.
I think an impeachment attempt would be a waste of time similar to how the Mueller Report, while likely containing some damning stuff, is held up in its effectiveness by the safeguards meant to protect the Executive Branch. Hate to use the same analogy twice but Trump is a teflon president. He was absolutely 100% right when he said that he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and get away with it. The Republicans would cheer him on and stomp on the victim's corpse until it melded with the pavement while the Democrats would wring their hands on how "unpresidential" killing a man is. Schumer would probably bend over backwards to strike a compromise with Cy Vance & DeBlasio to give Trump the key to the city instead of jail time.Doesn't matter if it fails. It's more about making a statement and getting people riled up. It's also about highlighting where both parties stand.
I'm skeptical of the bolded claim. The Dems having a backbone is what's needed to foster voter enthusiasm. Sitting back and doing nothing doesn't do much to gain voters.
Again, I disagree about it being a waste of time. People want to vote for someone who will punch back. This is why people are so excited by AOC, Omar, Tlaib, Presley, Warren and Sanders. People are drawn to controversial figures. No one likes a flaccid "realist".I think an impeachment attempt would be a waste of time similar to how the Mueller Report, while likely containing some damning stuff, is held up in its effectiveness by the safeguards meant to protect the Executive Branch. Hate to use the same analogy twice but Trump is a teflon president. He was absolutely 100% right when he said that he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and get away with it. The Republicans would cheer him on and stomp on the victim's corpse until it melded with the pavement while the Democrats would wring their hands on how "unpresidential" killing a man is. Schumer would probably bend over backwards to strike a compromise with Cy Vance & DeBlasio to give Trump the key to the city instead of jail time.
What Democrats should be doing is taking a united stand to defend Omar. Pelosi, Gillibrand, and many others have completely dropped the ball. Some, like Nadler, have actively made the situation worse. That they can't get their shit together on this is extremely disheartening and plays into the fact that Washington is at its core, deeply Islamophobic and racist. At this point, after 2020, anyone who has been in political office longer than five years should be impeached, their assets liquidated and put back into the communities they destroyed. That goes for both parties.
Edit: I make the distinction of after 2020 because I like Warren and Sanders and I think they're a good influence on the party. However, after 2020 we need new leaders. AOC, Omar, Tlaib, Presley, and other 2018 Blue Wavers are not enough. New blood is needed more urgently than ever.
I'm not saying that they shouldn't be aggressive, I'm just saying that impeachment is not the way to channel that aggression. It's fine by me if politicians start to say, "this is an impeachable offense, we should pursue this" but the actual process of impeachment is too mired in the system to be effective. A better way to channel that aggression is to channel populist rage against the GOP and Democratic establishments that look at Washington as a way to line their own pockets instead of you know, being servants of the public. This is what the people we named are doing and it's working, hence why I said we need more of these types of people. I do genuinely think that if the current Senate were to pursue impeachment, the media would turn it into a round-the-clock story which would irritate the American public who have more pressing concerns, like getting clean water, and when the impeachment process fails because Joe Manchin votes "no", the party pushing it would come away from it with egg on their face. Outside of liberal bubbles, many people were sick of the constant Mueller Report "updates" which were generally just gossip that didn't go anywhere (at least not as of yet).Again, I disagree about it being a waste of time. People want to vote for someone who will punch back. This is why people are so excited by AOC, Omar, Tlaib, Presley, Warren and Sanders. People are drawn to controversial figures. No one likes a flaccid "realist".
Now has never been a better time for Democrats to be aggressive, yet they continue to hold back.
Its also funny how transparent these people are, desperately trying to convince people they are progressive when questioned but still saying the left need to come to the center.People being touchy about the term "progressive" is always kind of funny. If you're holding back progress, which she is openly admitting to doing, you are no longer a progressive.
Every.single.time.It's time to compromise!
So compromise with the left?
Oh no, compromise with racists.
It's time to compromise!
So compromise with the left?
Oh no, compromise with racists.
Tbf, Pelosi is in the shitiest position relatively speaking, she have to make donors and the base happy at the same time with them having polar opposite requests most of the time.It's great isn't it? Gotta constantly try and appease racists while ignoring minority concerns because the likes of Pelosi know she and the rest of the "allies" will be able to browbeat black voters with "Well do you want four more years of Trump?"
It's time to compromise!
So compromise with the left?
Oh no, compromise with racists.
And what exactly, is so tranparant ?Oh, look, a thread about Trump tweeting a racist video that incites violence has become a discussion about how bad the democrats are. Transparent as fuck.
People are commenting on how one of the leaders of the opposition is reacting to this and how it isnt good enough.Oh, look, a thread about Trump tweeting a racist video that incites violence has become a discussion about how bad the democrats are. Transparent as fuck.
Anyone criticizing any democrats over their fucking terrible response to this are obviously Russian bots and/or secret republicans. Duh.
Oh, look, a thread about Trump tweeting a racist video that incites violence has become a discussion about how bad the democrats are. Transparent as fuck.
Oh, look, a thread about Trump tweeting a racist video that incites violence has become a discussion about how bad the democrats are. Transparent as fuck.
Oh, look, a thread about Trump tweeting a racist video that incites violence has become a discussion about how bad the democrats are. Transparent as fuck.
Anyone criticizing any democrats over their fucking terrible response to this are obviously Russian bots and/or secret republicans. Duh.
/s obviously.
Implying the democrats have not been such assholes to minorities.Oh, look, a thread about Trump tweeting a racist video that incites violence has become a discussion about how bad the democrats are. Transparent as fuck.
Do elaborate.Oh, look, a thread about Trump tweeting a racist video that incites violence has become a discussion about how bad the democrats are. Transparent as fuck.
Because the racists align with special interests, while the left wing and minorities do not.This should be the final straw for anyone with a fucking reasonable mind that the Democratic party absolutely does not give a shit about their own voters, but rather will do everything they can to bend over backward for racists who literally threaten to kill your own. This is supposed to be leadership? They would absolutely rather work with the "other side" rather than their "own side" because their interests align. This isn't even defendable.
Haha, they never do. I just sometimes wish when arrogant comments like that are called out, maybe they would return and explain their position.
This should be the final straw for anyone with a fucking reasonable mind that the Democratic party absolutely does not give a shit about their own voters, but rather will do everything they can to bend over backward for racists who literally threaten to kill your own. This is supposed to be leadership? They would absolutely rather work with the "other side" rather than their "own side" because their interests align. This isn't even defendable.
Oh, fuck this. This is disgraceful.
Using the progressive left as fucking tokens for all your magazines because of their colour and gender and then just so casually brushing them aside when it's inconvenient.
Tbf, Pelosi is in the shitiest position relatively speaking, she have to make donors and the base happy at the same time with them having polar opposite requests most of the time.
I mean, if that's the case, shouldn't the come together movement focus on bridging the gap between the two bases rather than the Biden Base and further right?What makes Pelosi's position even more complicated is that the Democratic Party is diverse enough to have two bases at this point, so it's not just donors versus base. It's "Bernie"-base versus "Biden"-base versus donor base. (the "Manchin" base is too small to make an impact at this point) According to Galup, 51% of democrats call themselves liberals, 34% moderates and 13% conservative. The left wing is on the rise, but not prominent enough to dethrone Trump on its own. (the same is true for the party's center wing and much smaller right wing) Pelosi's stuck herding cats.
donors: "if you move even two step to the left we cut your founds dry"I mean, if that's the case, shouldn't the come together movement focus on bridging the gap between the two bases rather than the Biden Base and further right?
"I'm a progress!" She exclaims Ben though she just said we need to uphold the center.People being touchy about the term "progressive" is always kind of funny. If you're holding back progress, which she is openly admitting to doing, you are no longer a progressive.
Thanks for that hot take from Twitter randos. Is that your opinion too?
The democrats are absolutely spineless and there are plenty of "liberals" that are racist so...