Why is it only affecting hdmi DV if that's the case? DV looks fine when watching through the tv's webos apps.
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Why is it only affecting hdmi DV if that's the case? DV looks fine when watching through the tv's webos apps.
It happened on Vizio displays as well. HDMI ports also have separate RGB paths, from what internal app streaming has.
Earlier released films didn't have this issue, until more authoring houses became DV certified.
I have to download the whitepaper again, but IIRC it mentions HDMI. Its possible, LG firmware update has caused some RGB errors to appear in the HDMI controller.
I would consider trying a factory reset.
The funny thing with the burn in issue is that their LCD's aren't even impervious to it. We use their commercial displays at our casino and we have multiple LCD's on the casino floor that have ghost images of text and logos. Some of which have been in service as little as 6-12 months. These are displays that are designed to be always on and used for signage.
Where did you get it? I'm thinking about picking this set up.
They got it used.
https://slickdeals.net/f/13025584-a...rch:Control&src=SiteSearchV2_SearchBarV2Algo1
$1599 is the best deal going right now in the US for the c8 65
Also https://slickdeals.net/f/13087237-lg-c8-77-4k-hdr-dolby-atmos-smart-tv-with-ai-thinq-oled77c8pua-2018-for-3899-fs?attrsrc=Test%3AHideExpiredSearch%3AControl&src=SiteSearchV2_SearchBarV2Algo1
looks like the c8 77' can be had for $3899 now
Right on. I just want to make sure I have an oled at the end of this year. I don't know whether to buy something now or to wait on sales. I really want to have it before Last of Us Pt 2 and FF7R come out.
Yes Sony OLEDs are better but wait for the new Panasonics if available in your territory.
Rtings updated their C9 review with input lag retested around 13ms (!) with HDR making it best in class. HDR gaming score 9.1 and overall 9.0.
"Update 05/17/2019: We've retested the input lag on the same firmware (03.50.31) and found the 4k @ 60Hz + HDR input lag is in the same ballpark as the other resolutions (around 13ms). We don't know why our previous measurements were higher, as we did confirm them twice. We've also updated the 1440p @ 60Hz input lag with this latest firmware."
"Update 05/17/2019: We've retested the input lag on the same firmware (03.50.31) and found the 4k @ 60Hz + HDR input lag is in the same ballpark as the other resolutions (around 13ms). We don't know why our previous measurements were higher, as we did confirm them twice. We've also updated the 1440p @ 60Hz input lag with this latest firmware."
Honestly it feels great. At times better than the 8 series. Overall the more time I spend using it the more I prefer it over the LG. Just a much better display all around. Kind of bummed I got a 55" for the office. Wish I had of gotten a 65" and replaced the E6 with it.
2Bee DOTDASHDOT Bumrush
I finally got my new x800M2 set up. I tried out a few scenes from the 4K blu ray of Ready Player One. I haven't bought many Dolby Vision discs because of the raised black bug. I am happy to report I saw no signs of the problem. I went to scenes that I knew had the issue with the LG player and blacks were nice and deep. No sign of noise in the black bars.
The player itself is an upgrade over the LG UBK90. It has a much better build and much more responsive.The player came with 2 free movies. Spider-man: Into the Spiderverse and Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle. I watched Spider-man tonight and was very pleased with the performance. That only has HDR10 though. I don't really have a great desire to watch Jumanji again, but I'll pop it in tomorrow and at least watch a bit. It is Dolby Vision and will give me another chance to test whether I get raised blacks or not.
But, so far, so good.
I finally got my new x800M2 set up. I tried out a few scenes from the 4K blu ray of Ready Player One. I haven't bought many Dolby Vision discs because of the raised black bug. I am happy to report I saw no signs of the problem. I went to scenes that I knew had the issue with the LG player and blacks were nice and deep. No sign of noise in the black bars.
The player itself is an upgrade over the LG UBK90. It has a much better build and much more responsive.The player came with 2 free movies. Spider-man: Into the Spiderverse and Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle. I watched Spider-man tonight and was very pleased with the performance. That only has HDR10 though. I don't really have a great desire to watch Jumanji again, but I'll pop it in tomorrow and at least watch a bit. It is Dolby Vision and will give me another chance to test whether I get raised blacks or not.
But, so far, so good.
Yeah, it's a bug that comes and goes. I can feel it being really off sometimes, then I reboot the TV and it's fine. Hopefully they can sort it, but it's only a minor annoyance
Ha how people perceive things differently! Only flicker is on bright screens, otherwise it's normal, so much more texture clarity instead of blur when panning, 2D games are amazing.
Interesting, so if that's the case what's going on with all other devices?
I had almost the opposite experience strangely enough. It was more or less more smearing when panning in 3d game. Everything seemed kind of shaking. Your right about the bright screens though it is only really apparent on brighter sections.
How odd, it has to be 60fps games, otherwise it'll judder and you'll get overlap which will make it look unstable 'shaking'.
And that would be the reason. It was a 30 fps game. Of course 60 fps games look fine to me.
One of the reasons it gets a bad rep as its mostly always used in the wrong scenarios, I'll never understand why 'AV Guru's' like Vincent etc peddle the myth about how BFI can be awesome for anything less than 60fps, it's downright misleading and won't do a thing to improve motion clarity for 24fps, as it doesn't suffer from blur anyway, because the refresh is so low.
Hi all, I'd appreciate some help on the following.
I recently bought an UHD player and a soundbar (not top of the line, but probably better than my B8 speakers).
I'm feeling a bit like my parents now, and am overwhelmed with all the connections options I have now.
I see I can plug the soundbar to the TV and UHD player with both optical and HDMI.
What's the best setup for this?
There's an Android TV currently connected to the TV, as well as a PS4 (and soon the UHD player).
I'd love to use the soundbar for:
- the TV's native apps such as Netflix
- Occasionally with the Android TV and the PS4.
- Always with the UHD player.
Thanks!
I recently bought an UHD player and a soundbar (not top of the line, but probably better than my B8 speakers).
I'm feeling a bit like my parents now, and am overwhelmed with all the connections options I have now.
I see I can plug the soundbar to the TV and UHD player with both optical and HDMI.
What's the best setup for this?
There's an Android TV currently connected to the TV, as well as a PS4 (and soon the UHD player).
I'd love to use the soundbar for:
- the TV's native apps such as Netflix
- Occasionally with the Android TV and the PS4.
- Always with the UHD player.
Thanks!
Rules are 60fps only, OLED light max, contrast max.
You'll see flickering with white screens etc, in a game you won't.
Okay, I may have figured it out, let me know if that makes sense.
I'll plug hdmi arc from my TV to the soundbar. Then I'll plug the android TV and the uhd player to the soundbar through hdmi.
The ps4 I'll plug directly to the TV via hdmi, and for sound I'll use optical (if it has one. If not, I'll switch ps4 and uhd player).
Lower framerate material on high persistence displays actually does suffer from blur without BFI. You don't have to believe me either; to test it yourself, just throw a motion resolution test pattern up on the screen. Sure, lower framerate material doesn't benefit as much as higher framerate stuff, but it does benefit.
It may throw it up on a test pattern, but it's next to useless with 24hz video material, unless you couple it with frame interpolation, it's a 60hz only deal if you want the best possible experience.
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If using ARC you shouldn't need optical as the HDMI handles the audio in its place.
But yea you should be good with that setup. Just make sure to dig into settings and turn on ARC control through soundbar and of tv. Sometimes components have a toggle, sometimes it's auto.
For some reason, Sony TVs can't decode Dolby Vision over HDMI without some help. So, a new separate Dolby Vision profile was created for devices so that they can send Dolby Vision metadata over HDMI to Sony TVs. It called something like "low latency". Basically the device does the heavy lifting instead of the TV. For some strange reason, this fixes the Dolby Vision bug. What confuses me is why only the Sony blu ray players seem to correct the problem, but it is still present on the Apple TV 4K. For Dolby Vision from the Apple TV 4K to work on Sony TVs at all, it needed the new profile as well. But something is clearly different.
This article from John Archer explains it better:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnar...y-vision-bug-gets-fixed-by-sony/#5007384928f7
On your C9 you do a full power cycle—pull the plug out? I haven't noticed any bugs in game mode, now I'm paranoid! :) CNET also measured around 13ms as well. I'm running the latest firmware.
Yeah knew about the low latency, but doesn't the previous Sony player have the issue? It's just a total mess isn't it, I mean how long has this been going on for!?
I don't think so. The previous Sony player is the X700 discussed in John's article. It's the one 2Bee has. Supposedly it didn't exhibit the problem.
It's been going on ever since Dolby Vision was made available on external devices. So year and a half or so?
The C6 and C7 also had the bug, but I think they did manage to correct that via firmware update. Something is going on with the C8's Alpha 9 processor. I think it's part of the problem. The B8, which uses the same processor as the 7 series, seems to be immune.
So i got myself a b8 again having sent the first back due to a dodgey pixel then getting a q9fn. I sent the q9fn back due to the dirty screen effect, it was really bad that it made the screen look patchy every where in some scenes. I updated the b8 and I'm sure the blacks was off so I rolled it back to an older version and really feel it makes a difference.
Edit: Sorry havnt followed the thread last few pages so if what I say has already been said just ignore this. Anyway I've done some testing and the new update on the b8 that ends in .65 completely fucks up the blacks. Don't update it and if you do just roll it back.
Edit: Sorry havnt followed the thread last few pages so if what I say has already been said just ignore this. Anyway I've done some testing and the new update on the b8 that ends in .65 completely fucks up the blacks. Don't update it and if you do just roll it back.
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Cheers.
Though I'm unsure about the optical bit.
I plugged the uhd player and android TV to the sound bar which is connected to the TV via arc and it's working well.
For the ps4, I don't have another hdmi in so I connected it directly to the TV. I don't need to connect it to the sound bar via optical for the sound?
Also, with this set up, when things are going through the sound bar, is there any picture degradation I should be warry of?
Thanks
Crackdown 3 is such an HDR killer app. Talk about a game made for HDR with all the colors and brightness going on.
Enjoying the platforming shit while having a podcast or youtube video up on the monitor. Relaxing weekend kind of game. Makes me kind of wish I didn't already platinum Infamous Second Son as I hear it also has great HDR.
Enjoying the platforming shit while having a podcast or youtube video up on the monitor. Relaxing weekend kind of game. Makes me kind of wish I didn't already platinum Infamous Second Son as I hear it also has great HDR.
What should the Color setting be in HDR for movies and for games; 50, 55, 60, 65? I've always seen different numbers.
Can you expand on the bold? Especially since the LGs do have lower input lag than the Sony OLEDs. I've really become interested in the Sonys for a potential purchase in 2020, as HDMI 2.1 becomes more widely adopted, and some of the VRR stuff is ironed out. As a B6 owner that reads this thread everyday, and going through my own firmware issues, it's disheartening to see how LG has (so far) handled the C9 in terms of features that are incomplete and smaller nicks and nacks that I'm not sure I want to deal with from them on my next purchase.
Like this:
Why LG, why.
So long as your tv and soundbar both support ARC, you should be good. ARC(literally stands for Audio Return Channel) is capable of transferring high quality audio back and forth from the TV to a soundbar or receiver both directions.
It's designed so that you can avoid optical cables and whatnot and simplify audio connections using one hdmi connection between the tv and the receiver. So your PS4 is fine plugged in on the TV and will send whatever audio back to the soundbar just fine over the ARC port.(My setup is near identical for inputs)
I think only a few very select high-end audio and video formats demand eARC, which is very new but shouldn't be a concern for what your are doing.
Awesome, thanks. I'll check it out once I'm home
Edit - so on theory I can connect all devices to the TV then... (I have arc).
Maybe it'd be more convenient this way to control everything
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The input lag on these are so close that they feel similar. At times the LG does feel more responsive than the A9, however in most cases it's not noticeable. Where it feels better is from input to motion. The motion on the A9 is so much better it feels smoother and more fluid than the LG. Giving an overall better feel and experience. The only reason at this point I'm going to get a 2020 10 series from LG is because of HDMI 2.1, and 77". Unless Sony releases a 77" or larger 2.1 OLED next year that is sub $9k I'm going with LG again.
You mean natural motion in game mode without any motion settings turned on?
I've always said it, LG are a shit company with a good technology, the reason why it's the ONLY LG product I've ever bought.
Whoops, forgot to mention this question was for the LG B7. Also curious about Temperature too. RTINGs recommended W30 for HDR.
Mostly because this is a gaming forums and the tech does have its issues with some sorts of game styles.
OLED is perfect for me, as I just play single player games on it that take 100 hours at most.
Yea I'm mostly single player too but I am slightly concerned about the Fortnite UI. I still don't play more than 5 hours a week of any single game though.
Appreciate it.
I think if I go with another 65'' it'll be a Sony. If I do 77'' it'll probably be the C9 around Q2 of 2020 at prices similar to the 77'' 2018 models (~$4,000 so), but hopefully with all of the goddamn bugs and shit ironed out.