UAP/UFO |OT|

dryz · Aug 31, 2023

Lol at Hicks taking charge. Truly a trustworthy person for this topic.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50MusF365U0

Kibbles · Aug 31, 2023

dryz said:
Lol at Hicks taking charge. Truly a trustworthy person for this topic.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50MusF365U0

Wait they got someone who's part of defending the Pentagon's overspending? Sheeeesh

Mr Satan · Aug 31, 2023

Hicks?

Lmao, alright. Nothing will come of this. She's a moron.

ced · Aug 31, 2023

According to the timeline, last fall AARO began planning to generate and launch a public-facing website and reporting mechanism at the recommendation of its Senior Technical Advisory Group — and in anticipation of the fiscal 2023 NDAA requirement.

Oh good luck with that, reporting needs to be restricted to DoD, I really hope this isn't some public reporting thing or they will be overwhelmed by every idiot reporting mundane lights or out of focus airplanes, birds etc.

zooj · Aug 31, 2023

ced said:
Oh good luck with that, reporting needs to be restricted to DoD, I really hope this isn't some public reporting thing or they will be overwhelmed by every idiot reporting mundane lights or out of focus airplanes, birds etc.

I would open it up to private sector pilots too but otherwise yeah, those were my thoughts as well.

Forerunner · Aug 31, 2023

View: https://twitter.com/laraseligman/status/1697206070861521332

ced · Aug 31, 2023

zooj said:
I would open it up to private sector pilots too but otherwise yeah, those were my thoughts as well.

Yes but should be an FAA method separate of DoD, we've seen recently that pilots also can't identify Starlink sats for example.

Forerunner · Aug 31, 2023

All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) official website

Director's Message

Welcome to the website for the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO). Our team of experts is leading the U.S. government's efforts to address Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) using a rigorous scientific framework and a data-driven approach. Since its establishment in July 2022, AARO has taken important steps to improve data collection, standardize reporting requirements, and mitigate the potential threats to safety and security posed by UAP. We look forward to using this site to regularly update the public about AARO's work and findings, and to provide a mechanism for UAP reporting. Thank you for visiting.

- Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, Director

Mission

Minimize technical and intelligence surprise by synchronizing scientific, intelligence, and operational detection identification, attribution, and mitigation of unidentified anomalous phenomena in the vicinity of national security areas.

Vision

Unidentified anomalous phenomena are effectively and efficiently detected, tracked, analyzed, and managed by way of normalized DoD, Intelligence Community and civil business practices; by adherence to the highest scientific and intelligence tradecraft standards; and with the greatest transparency and shared awareness.

Deleted member 156745 · Aug 31, 2023

Forerunner said:
AARO Home

www.aaro.mil

There are some new videos I haven't seen released before in there under the videos section, looking at them now.

EDIT: Actually the main one I haven't seen is the 2021 Navy flyby video with a clear metallic sphere looking object there:

https://www.dvidshub.net/video/843620/navy-2021-flyby-video

ced · Aug 31, 2023

RedT said:
There are some new videos I haven't seen released before in there under the videos section, looking at them now.

EDIT: Actually the main one I haven't seen is the 2021 Navy flyby video with a clear metallic sphere looking object there:

https://www.dvidshub.net/video/843620/navy-2021-flyby-video

Seen that one, I think it was the NASA presentation, be nice if it included some info like altitude etc.

Since AARO has it labeled as unresolved I think it's safe to assume it's not a balloon even though it looks like it.

There's a lot of interesting language on this site for descriptions of their duties, pretty cool.

Forerunner · Aug 31, 2023

The Department of Defense Launches the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office Website

The All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office's new website provides the public with information concerning AARO and its efforts to understand and resolve unidentified anomalous phenomena.

www.defense.gov

Today the department launched a website on the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office to provide the public with information concerning AARO and its efforts to understand and resolve unidentified anomalous phenomena.

This website will provide information, including photos and videos, on resolved UAP cases as they are declassified and approved for public release. The website's other content includes reporting trends and a frequently asked questions section as well as links to official reports, transcripts, press releases, and other resources that the public may find useful, such as applicable statutes and aircraft, balloon and satellite tracking sites.

This fall, consistent with Section 1673 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2023, AARO will launch a secure reporting tool on the website to enable current and former U.S. government employees, service members, or contractors with direct knowledge of U.S. government programs or activities to contact AARO directly to make a report. The department is conducting its final reviews to ensure the reporting mechanism complies with the Privacy Act of 1974, the Whistleblower Protections Enhancement Act of 2012, the Federal Employee Antidiscrimination and Retaliation Act of 2002 (No FEAR Act), and the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1995. In the interim, current U.S. service members, U.S. government employees, and civil aviators are encouraged to continue to use the existing reporting mechanisms available to them through their organizations. A mechanism for members of the general public to make reports will be announced in coming months.

The department is committed to transparency with the American people on AARO's work on UAP. This website will serve as a one-stop shop for all publicly available information related to AARO and UAP, and AARO will regularly update the website with its most recent activities and findings as new information is cleared for public release.

You can see AARO's new website at https://www.aaro.mil.

View: https://youtu.be/3o651t-uGIc

Forerunner · Sep 1, 2023

View: https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/1697447445834113297

Across a storied 45-year career as a New York Times staff reporter, Ralph Blumenthal had extensively covered weighty topics like the Italian Mafia and Nazi war criminals. But never suspected alien spaceships.

That changed in 2017 when Blumenthal, by that time a retired contributor for the Times, connected with investigative journalist Leslie Kean, who had come across an extraordinary tip.

Naturally, Blumenthal was intrigued.

"The government always took the position that there's nothing to this, that these are all hoaxes or hallucinations, but nothing real," Blumenthal told USA TODAY in a phone interview. "This was a pretty good story, I thought – a great story."

Blumenthal's hunch was right.

Published two months later, the now-famous article uncovering the top secret program headlined "Glowing Auras and 'Black Money'" marked a turning point in the ever-evolving public discourse surrounding UFOs.

Reported UFO sightings have long attracted as many skeptics as they do fanatics. But for those with doubts, there it was in black and white on the front page of one of the nation's preeminent newspapers: The Pentagon had for years thought that reports of craft flying in strange ways were so serious as to merit millions of dollars in funding to study.

In the years since the Times' article appeared, the harrowing experiences shared by Navy pilots and the revelations exposed by government whistleblowers have continued to lend legitimacy to a topic once confined to the realm of conspiracy theory. Long considered taboo, discussion of UFOs (and the potential interstellar lifeforms many believe could be piloting them) has now entered the mainstream as the push for government transparency strengthens.

But the team of reporters couldn't have done it alone.

Growing disillusioned with the obstinance he faced among the high ranks of the government, Christopher Mellon in 2017 joined a small group of former government officials with security clearances who went public with some of what they knew.

"We just knew our pilots were encountering some very bizarre craft," Mellon told USA TODAY in a phone interview. "We felt it was essential from a security and national defense standpoint to alert the system and wake people up."

Before The New York Times agreed to the story, Mellon and Elizondo had also joined the commercial venture To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science, a San Diego-based company co-founded by Blink-182 frontman and guitarist Tom DeLonge.

"We decided we're going to make this known, we're going to tell people this is real," co-founder Jim Semivan, a retired operations officer with the CIA, told USA TODAY.

Semivan's interest in studying the UFO phenomenon extends back 40 years, and includes one sighting of his own in the 1990s that he declined to describe.

Ever since Allied pilots would see so-called foo fighters in the skies over both the European and Pacific theaters during World War II, Americans have for decades been equally captivated by and skeptical of tantalizing reports of flying saucers and little green men visiting Earth.

"There's no way it's Chinese, it isn't Russian and it sure as hell isn't ours because these craft, we've been seeing these things for 80 years," Semivan said. "What we have here is something very odd and very unusual."

The developments seem to have solved the concern of Mellon and others of craft flying unchecked and unreported through military airspace. But now another issue has arisen: In June, a decorated former combat officer by the name of David Grusch came forward to claim, without presenting evidence publicly, that crafts of non-human origin have crashed on earth and been retrieved by the government for study.

"A claim as extraordinary as that requires exceptional, extraordinary proof," Mellon said. "Yet, there is clearly a substantial basis for these claims. The immense national security and scientific implications warrant additional congressional investigation."

However, many astrophysicists caution the public from jumping to the conclusion that any unexplained sighting means aliens on other planets are visiting us. During NASA's UAP hearing earlier this year, experts were clear that even otherworldly explanations aren't likely even in the absence of a natural explanation.

"We must be careful to not inject 'aliens' every time we encounter something we don't understand," David Kipping, an astronomer at Columbia University, told USA TODAY in an email. "Faced with ambiguous evidence like this, our brains tend to fill in the gaps with whatever we're culturally pre-conditioned to expect."

Semivan readily admits that the phenomenon doesn't fit into the scientific method; it's unpredictable, it has no agreed-upon vocabulary, "yet it's very real," he said.

"What it actually is I think is anybody's guess," Semivan said.

Both Mellon and Semivan anticipated that as bipartisan supports mounts for the military and executive branch to reveal what they know, the public will grow increasingly open and accepting of the idea that UAP – whatever they are – are out there.

"It'll get increasingly difficult to deny that there are intelligent vehicles doing things that we ourselves cannot do in the atmosphere," Mellon said. "I think these kind of changes always take time, and I'm talking about a sea change in our worldview, of our understanding of the universe and our place in it."

Forerunner · Sep 1, 2023

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Forerunner · Sep 2, 2023

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Forerunner · Sep 3, 2023

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Pages 1096-1101: This provision, which originated in the Senate Armed Services Committee and is associated with Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), would prohibit the obligation or expenditure of funds during fiscal year 2024 for any classified program involving unidentified anomalous phenomena that has not been briefed to the appropriate committees of Congress, congressional leadership, and the director of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO). The provision also requires "any person currently or formerly under contract with the Federal Government that has in their possession material or information provided by or derived from the Federal Government relating to unidentified anomalous phenomena" to make all such material available to the AARO Director, and to provide "a comprehensive list of all non-earth origin or exotic unidentified anomalous phenomena material." The measure requires the AARO Director to notify designated congressional leaders and committees of information or material that comes to him in response to these requirements. A similar (but not identical) provision originating in the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence appears on pages 2368-2374 of the bill.

Page 1509: The Senate Armed Services Committee added $27 million to the original amount requested in the President's budget for the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office for Fiscal Year 2024. (That original budget request amount is classified.) This additional funding was authorized by an amendment offered in the committee by Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY).

Pages 1939-2004: This is the UAP Disclosure Act, unveiled by Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY), Mike Rounds (R-SD), and others on July 14, 2023, and added to S. 2226 without objection days later. This proposal would create, as a temporary (through Sept. 30, 2030) independent government agency, a nine-member Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Records Review Board, appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. The Board's mission would be to gather and engage in "controlled disclosure" of records relating to "unidentified anomalous phenomena, technologies of unknown origin, or non human intelligence" held by any components of the government. The proposal also contains a provision allowing the government to exercise eminent domain (ownership) over any "recovered technologies of unknown origin" and "biological evidence of non-human intelligence" currently under private control. The Schumer-Rounds proposal in many respects is based on the structure found in the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 (Public Law 102-526), embedded below. As was the case with that law, many aspects of the new UAP disclosure enterprise would be handled by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), and for this reason, primary congressional oversight would be exercised by the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, and the House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Government Accountability, as these committees hold longstanding oversight jurisdiction over NARA.

Pages 2303-2339: This portion of the bill, originating in the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI), contains enhancements in current protections for whistleblowers within the Intelligence Community. These provisions are apparently a response, at least in part, to the committee's interactions with persons professing to have UAP-related information. The proposed changes pertain, among other things, with procedures by which whistleblowers may communicate with Congress, the remedies for cases in which a whistleblower's identity is unlawfully disclosed, and the remedies available in cases in which a whistleblower suffers adverse actions with respect to his security clearances or access in reprisal for a making a lawful whistleblower disclosure.

Page 2368: Current law requires an annual report on UAP, which is provided in unclassified form to the public and in classified form to designated congressional committees and leaders, issued in the names of the Secretary of Defense and the Director of National Intelligence. This provision, originating in the SSCI, provides that the annual report instead would be issued by the AARO Director beginning in 2024.

Page 2368: This is a proposal originating in the SSCI, sponsored by Senators Gillibrand, Marco Rubio (R-FL), Rounds, and John Cornyn (R-TX), to deny funding to any UAP-related classified programs that have not been explicitly reported to Congress, and to require that government-linked entities make available to AARO any UAP-related information or material. This is similar but not identical to the provision found on pages 1096 to 1101, described above, which originated in the Senate Armed Services Committee.

THE NEXT STEPS

The Senate returns from a five-week recess on September 5, 2023, and the House of Representatives reconvenes on September 12, 2023. During the fall months, there will be extended non-public negotiations primarily among the members of the Armed Services and Intelligence committees of the two houses, crafting a final version of the National Defense Authorization Act.

Members of some other committees will also be involved in the negotiations with respect to specific components that implicate their respective jurisdictions. For example, because the Senate-passed Schumer-Rounds UAP Disclosure Act would place extensive duties on the National Archives and Records Administration, I expect that leaders of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, and of the House Oversight and Accountability Committee, will be involved in discussions of that component.

It is to be expected that Executive Branch components will make their views regarding various provisions known to key lawmakers during in the conference committee process. This includes the White House, which sometimes enunciates its positions in a public fashion, but may also choose to communicate with lawmakers in less visible ways.

At the completion of this largely out-of-view process, a House-Senate conference committee would approve a final bill, which will then go to the floor of each house for final approval– first to the House, then to the Senate. It is highly likely that both houses would consider the legislation under "take it or leave it" procedures– that is, the product of the conference committee would not be open to further amendment in either house. Following approval by the second house (the Senate), the bill would go to President Biden for his signature. The President must also accept or reject the final package as a whole– unlike some governors, the President has no line-item veto authority.

It is likely that the negotiation process will play out over a time span of months. In each of the last four years, an NDAA was not enacted until late December. (In 2020, President Trump vetoed the NDAA, but Congress quickly overrode his veto.) Enactment of an NDAA is highly likely – it has happened for the last 62 years running. However, it is by no means certain that any or all of the UAP-related provisions discussed on this page will be part of the final legislation. Any of these provisions could be modified a little or a lot, or dropped entirely, during the House-Senate negotiations. It is also possible that essentially new provisions dealing with the same general subject matter could emerge during the House-Senate negotiations.

Forerunner · Sep 4, 2023

Japan a hotspot for UFOs, says new Pentagon website

The country is one of three prominent locations for unexplained aerial sightings in the world, with Iinomachi known as 'UFO Town'

www.telegraph.co.uk

The Pentagon has identified western and southern Japan as a major hotspot for UFO sightings, using 27 years of data that has been made public for the first time.

The US Government has launched a new website it says will act as a "one-stop shop" for the reporting of "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena" (UAP), the official term for UFOs and unidentified objects in the sea.

A map released on the website of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) shows where the most sightings have been recorded using data from between 1996 and 2023.

The image shows one of the world's biggest hotspots around western and southern Japan, near the cities of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, where the United States dropped atomic bombs in August 1945.

The area is one of the three most prominent locations for UFOs in the world, along with a patch of the Middle East that includes Iraq and Syria, and in the southeastern United States, over South Carolina.

Since 2020, the Japanese military has been instructed to record sightings of unidentified objects in the sky.

Although the Japanese government says its pilots have never encountered UFOs, the country's Self Defence Force was concerned about three videos released by the US Department of Defense that showed unexplained objects moving across the sky.

Other, unconfirmed, UFO sightings have produced a tourist hotspot in Iinomachi, in Japan's Fukushima province, which is known colloquially as "UFO town".

The town's authorities have installed UFO-themed bus shelters and street lights in a bid to attract visitors interested in extraterrestrial life.

It is home to the International UFO Lab, a research institute, which released six images of "likely UFOs" in June.

The group said it had received 494 reports of suspected UFOs in the past year, but that most appeared to be drones, birds, reflections of light, aeroplanes or insects.

Takeharu Mikami, the leader of the lab and editor of a cult magazine, said he believed the images could show alien spacecraft.

"It may be possible to create these images with computer graphics. But if they're real UFOs, aliens may be onboard," he said at a press conference in Fukushima.

Forerunner · Sep 5, 2023

Americans think the government knows more about aliens than shared

Over 60% of Americans think the U.S. government has more information about aliens than it has shared, per a NewsNation/Decision Desk HQ poll.

www.newsnationnow.com

Most Americans think the government is holding back information when it comes to aliens, according to a NewsNation/Decision Desk HQ poll released Tuesday.

Over 63% of those surveyed believe the U.S. government has more information about extraterrestrial life than has been shared publicly. Just 17% of respondents don't think that's the case.

There was almost no difference across the political spectrum. Most Democrats (62%), independents (65%) and Republicans (64%) think the government has more info. Younger respondents between the ages of 18 to 34 were the most likely to think so (69%).

Harvard astrophysicist Avi Loeb said he's surprised how many people think the government is hiding something.

"It's easy to say we believe in intelligent life on other planets but it's more difficult to say that the U.S. government has information about extraterrestrial life that was not made public. That's more of a mystery," he said.

While government skepticism is widespread, the latest poll suggests Americans are less convinced that UFOs and other unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) are directly connected to aliens.

About 53% of those surveyed think it's somewhat or very likely UFOs are related to "intelligent alien life" versus 47% who don't think it's likely.

Again, younger respondents were far more likely to think the crafts are related to aliens (68%) versus just 43% of those age 55 or older who thought so.

Forerunner · Sep 5, 2023

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Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was provided a classified memo on the subject of "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP)" in February, CTV News has learned.

Obtained through a freedom of information request, the heavily redacted document offers a glimpse into how the Canadian government responded to the unidentified object that was detected and shot down over northern Canada's Yukon territory on Feb. 11. According to the "Secret" memo, the Yukon object was the 23rd so-called "UAP" tracked over North America in the first few weeks of 2023.

"NORAD numbers objects on a sequential basis, per year, to track every detected object that is not immediately identified; upon cross-examination most objects are found to be innocuous and do not meet the threshold for higher reporting or engagement," the memo explained. "Object #23's function, method of propulsion, or affiliation to any nation-state remains unverified."

"UAP #23" was one of three unidentified objects shot down by fighter jets over North America earlier this year, immediately following the Feb. 4 downing of a suspected Chinese spy balloon. While the three objects have not been publicly identified, all were reportedly much smaller than the 200-foot-tall apparent Chinese surveillance device.On Feb. 16, U.S. President Joe Biden said the three mysterious objects likely no posed no threat and were probably private or research balloons.

Transmitted on Feb. 14, the "Memorandum for the Prime Minister" was classified "Secret" and for "limited distribution." It was CC'd to Trudeau's national security advisor, Jody Thomas, and signed by Janice Charette, who then served as the powerful clerk of the Privy Council.

"It is unknown whether it poses an armed threat or has intelligence collection capabilities," the memo added. "The area in which the impact occurred is a known (caribou) migration route, which opens the possibility of future accidental discovery by Indigenous hunters."

Extensive redactions were made to the memo under sections 15 and 69 of Canada's Access to Information Act, which pertain to national security and cabinet confidentiality.

The declassified document was provided to CTVNews.ca by a civilian researcher who wished to remain anonymous. CTVNews.ca verified the document's authenticity by filing a new information request with the Privy Council Office. The PCO and Prime Minister's Office did not respond to requests for comment.

In a statement to CTVNews.ca, Canada's Department of National Defence would not disclose how many other unidentified objects have been detected over North America since the flurry of February incidents.

"Following the identification of the larger high-altitude surveillance balloon, NORAD adjusted our detection capabilities to give us better fidelity on seeing smaller, slower objects at various altitudes," a Canadian defence spokesperson said. "Each event is unique and NORAD's response is determined on a case-by-case basis."

ced · Sep 5, 2023

So #20 is the Alaska shoot down on 2/10/23, and that also suggests we recovered it as they say exploitation isn't complete. I still assume it's a balloon from another country but if so why not show what it was like the other.

zooj · Sep 6, 2023

Forerunner I appreciate you keeping the thread updated with news, you've shared a lot I would not have seen otherwise

Forerunner · Sep 6, 2023

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Early one August evening in 1954, a Brazilian plane was tracked by an unidentified object of "strong luminosity" that didn't appear on radar. Two decades later, a river community in the northern Amazon jungle was repeatedly visited by glowing orbs that beamed lights down onto the inhabitants. In 1986, more than 20 unidentified aerial phenomena lit up the skies over Brazil's most populous states, sending the Brazilian air force out in pursuit.

The stories are not the ravings of a UFO buff. They are official assessments by Brazilian pilots and military officers — who often struggled to put into words what they'd seen — and can be found in Brazil's remarkable historical archive of reported UFO visitations.

Brazil and the United States are two countries of continental proportions, frequent UFO sightings and active communities of extraterrestrial enthusiasts. But how each has responded to the most fundamental of human questions — are we alone? — has been sharply different. In the United States, the matter of unidentified aerial phenomena has often been treated as a closely guarded government secret. Meanwhile, in Brazil and much of South America, there has been a more relaxed attitude toward the inexplicable, the public's right to know and the limits of scientific explanation.

In South America, at least four countries — Uruguay, Argentina, Chile and Peru — have public government programs that study and investigate UFO activity. Argentina and Chile regularly release reports on identifying aerial objects. And in Uruguay, which has passed UFO details along to the United States since the 1970s, the military runs the Commission for the Reception and Investigation of Complaints of Unidentified Flying Objects.

"We have been sharing the information with the public since the beginning," said Col. Ariel Sánchez, the head of the Uruguayan program. "We believe people need to be informed."

Whether a country shares that contention, researchers say, often comes down to military interests. The United States, for example, has often been less willing to publicize or publicly engage on questions about UFOs — even going so far to spread misinformation in the 1950s — for fear of ceding a strategic advantage to adversaries and jeopardizing national security.

"The U.S. has always tended toward secrecy," said Chris Impey, an astronomer at the University of Arizona. "Only in the last year or so has there been a push for transparency, but the backdrop of that was flat-out denial or secrecy."

In Brazil, where polling shows that 33 percent of people believe in extraterrestrial life, ufologists are not treated as crackpots. They run magazines and operate through official-sounding organizations, such as the Brazilian Commission of Ufologists. Some were granted an audience before the Brazilian Senate last year and have met with some of the country's most important military leaders. Generals, in turn, openly wonder about extraterrestrials without fear of derision.

But even in a country largely open to discussing and inquiring into unidentified phenomena, not all matters have been fully disclosed. Missing from the archives, ufologists say, are military photographs and videos of the orbs that visited the Amazonian river community as well as military documents regarding perhaps the most notorious alleged encounter, known as the "Varginha Incident."

In January 1996, three young women claimed they saw a bipedal creature while walking through a vacant lot in the southeastern city of Varginha. It was neither human nor animal, they claimed. The story sent the city of 140,000 inhabitants into a tizzy and spawned wild rumors. People alleged that it was an alien that, after the sighting, had been captured by the military and secreted away — allegations that Gen. Rosa said were false.

"The army does not have a piece of ET," he deadpanned.

For years afterward, Kátia Andrade Xavier, one of the three young women, said she was ridiculed for her story. Few employers wanted to hire her. People, she said, called her crazy, a liar, demonic.

But now, with more countries asking more questions about UFOs, she said she is being received differently.

"People are seeing my story completely differently," she said. "I feel realized. I am happy."

Forerunner · Sep 6, 2023

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Forerunner · Sep 6, 2023

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Following the shootdown of three unidentified objects in three days over Alaska, the Yukon and Lake Huron in February and the downing of a Chinese spy balloon off the coast of South Carolina a week earlier, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau received a secret memo laying out how the Canadian government was responding to the Feb. 11 Yukon incident. In addition, it stated the "full exploitation" of whatever the U.S. Air Force shot down over the waters of Alaska on Feb. 10 had "not yet been completed." Reports a few days later stated that the U.S. had called off the search for wreckage of the downed object. Exactly what kind of intelligence exploitation this is referring to is unclear.

The memo was sent to Trudeau and his national security advisor, Jody Thomas, by a Canadian official named Janice Charette, who then served as "the powerful clerk of the Privy Council," CTV News explained. The council "is a centralized hub that directs the country's public service and is responsible for providing non-partisan support to the prime minister and cabinet as they make policy decisions," the news outlet said.

Three days after Charette delivered her memo, The New York Times reported that "the U.S. called off the search" for both the objects mentioned in Charette's memo, "raising the possibility that the devices will never be collected and analyzed, according to a U.S. military official."

It is also unclear what the memo meant about the "full exploitation" of the UAP shot down over Alaska on Feb. 10. However, there are a number of lines of effort to which she could have been referring.

The Feb. 10 incident over Alaska remains shrouded in mystery and from the information available stands in stark contrast to the other objects shot down in several ways.

Shortly after the shootdown, the White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby significant said debris was reportedly sitting atop of sea ice and efforts were being made to recover if for analysis. He also said the object did not appear to be readily maneuverable or have a substantial payload.

Ryder said the object, traveling at about 40,000 feet, was "about the size of a small car." It was shot down because at that altitude, it was perceived as a threat to aviation.

ABC News reported that the "object" shot down off the coast of Alaska was "cylindrical and silver-ish gray," according to an unnamed U.S. official. "All I say is that it wasn't 'flying' with any sort of propulsion, so if that is 'balloon-like' well – we just don't have enough at this point."

In this vacuum of information, exotic and unconfirmed claims have been made about the Alaskan object, ranging from different accounts by pilots who observed it to reports that it seemingly interfered with some aircraft sensors.

We reached out to several agencies for more information about the details provided in the Charette memo. We also reached out to Charette herself on her LinkedIn page and several government emails to find out and whether she received any answers and if so, what they were. We will update this story if she provides a pertinent response.

A NORAD spokesperson told The War Zone on Wednesday that it would not be able to "address the memo specifically."

"I would caution that one internal document from Feb. 15 may not present the most accurate information about events or processes during that period," Air Force Col. Elizabeth Mathias said in an email to The War Zone Wednesday. "But we'll be happy to provide more information about our operations and procedures. More to follow, and thanks."

We also reached out to the Canadian Defense Ministry, U.S. National Security Council and the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) - the Pentagon unit that tracks UAPs - for additional responses. We will update this story with any pertinent information they provide.

Despite numerous requests from Congress and media outlets including The War Zone, the Pentagon has yet to release any imagery from the three shootdowns over North America, raising questions about what, if anything, it is trying to hide. Especially since there was a wealth of data and imagery collected during observation and destruction of the objects.

The fact is that the lack of information surrounding these unprecedented series of events over North America continues to puzzle many and the optics surrounding them clearly irk the Pentagon. What exactly was known about these objects and how they differed from each other, and when that information was known, remains a mystery to the public.

Forerunner · Sep 8, 2023

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At the end of July, the same week UFO whistleblower David Grusch testified before the House Oversight Committee, Sen. Mike Rounds (R-SD) had a classified briefing with All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) Director Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, which Rounds says he used to push for better whistleblower protections.

"I think it's a matter of participation by individuals who are concerned about the ability to be protected if they went to AARO. And so I think that's gonna be the challenge — is making sure that people who may have had any firsthand knowledge or wanted to share any information can do so."

Rounds' full thinking on the topic remains a mystery, which could be because the former governor of South Dakota is one of only six senators serving on both the Senate Intelligence and Armed Services Committees.

At the start of July, Rounds told Ask a Pol he wasn't too familiar with Grusch.

A couple weeks later, Rounds turned many heads when, as the lead Republican co-author of Majority Leader Chuck Schumer's Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) Disclosure Act of 2023, he told us "non-human intelligence" (which is used 20 times in their measure) was so all-encompassing of a phrase that artificial intelligence "could" fell under the definition.

Now Rounds is pressuring Kirkpatrick to reform AARO, and he says that needs to start with protecting whistleblowers, like Grusch.

"We've got some work to do there, but I think we can make them more effective than what they have been in the past," Rounds tells Ask a Pol.

When we asked if David Grusch came up in their classified meeting on whistleblower protections, Rounds protected whistleblowers.

"I won't talk names," Rounds replies.

Forerunner · Sep 8, 2023

View: https://twitter.com/TheHillOpinion/status/1700094127998910524

Last week, the Pentagon's new UFO office, the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), unveiled its long-awaited website. Tucked among previously-released graphics, transcripts and videos is an important new document outlining the office's mission and objectives.

Within hours of the site's launch, eagle-eyed sleuths noticed that an image of a spherical object, divided into quarters, appears on the corners of the "Mission Overview" document. Further analysis determined that the image is a stock photo titled "alien technology in a metallic ball."

While such "alien" and "metallic ball" references might otherwise be chalked up to a crude prank, closer analysis suggests that there is more than meets the eye.

According to AARO director Seán Kirkpatrick, the most common observations claimed in the 800 reports received by his office as of late May are of "spheres," three to 13 feet in diameter and "white, silver, [or] translucent" in color. Two videos and two images of objects fitting this description, all recorded by U.S. servicemembers, have emerged in recent years.

In a May presentation, Kirkpatrick described these perplexing objects in greater detail while presenting footage of a "metallic," "spherical orb" recorded by a surveillance drone in the Middle East.

This invites an obvious question: How can spherical objects, lacking wings or apparent means of propulsion, remain stationary against strong winds or travel at the speed of sound? Moreover, how could they conduct such remarkable maneuvers without emitting any heat signature?

Encounters with objects capable of executing such highly anomalous flight characteristics date back at least 80 years. During World War II, American aircrews reported observing mysterious "silvery balls" and "silver colored spheres" which, as with more recent reports, occasionally appeared "semi-translucent." When observed at night, the objects — termed "foo fighters" by 1940s-era aviators — frequently appeared as glowing, fiery red or orange balls.

A transformational 1947 Air Force document, the Twining Memo, states that the UFO "phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious." Moreover, according to the memo, UFOs observed by aviators exhibit "extreme rates of climb, maneuverability…and action which must be considered evasive when sighted." This, the document states, leads to "the possibility that some of the objects are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely."

Critically, according to the Twining Memo, the most common UFO descriptions include "circular or elliptical" objects with a "metallic or light reflecting surface." Like recent descriptions of round, metallic objects demonstrating "no thermal exhaust," the 1947 document specifically notes the objects' "absence of [an exhaust] trail."

Similarly, a 1952 CIA document describes the most commonly observed UFO characteristics as "spherical or elliptical objects, usually of bright metallic lustre."

Similarly, a December 1953 CIA document describes a Swedish newspaper report of an airline chief pilot and a flight engineer who observed a "completely unorthodox, metallic, symmetric, round object" flying at high speed.

Beyond these accounts, Ruppelt described numerous instances of U.S. military encounters with such objects. According to "Rupe," fighter pilots serving in the Korean War "reported seeing silver-colored spheres or disks on several occasions."

The extraordinary consistency among such UFO encounters — from World War II through the present — is remarkable.

It should come as little surprise, then, that beyond the "alien technology in a metallic ball" imagery surreptitiously tucked away in a government document, the office's logo prominently features a silver, metallic sphere.

Perhaps most intriguingly, Kirkpatrick recently co-authored a draft scientific paper hypothesizing that an extraterrestrial "parent craft" could release "many small probes" to "reach the Earth or other solar system planets for exploration."

Defect · Sep 11, 2023

New Grusch interview

View: https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw?feature=shared

WeAreStarStuff · Sep 11, 2023

Defect said:
New Grusch interview

View: https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw?feature=shared

Was pretty good. Watched it a few hours ago due to my insomnia. Was nice seeing him in a relaxed environment for a change.

Forerunner · Sep 11, 2023

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com

Some bullet points from Reddit:

NHI have physical bodies, "biologics" specifically refers to the NHI's bodies. He refuses to comment when asked whether they found them alive or dead

David Grusch talks about how many people he spoke to about the subject when he was part of it and how it was all revealed slowly and gradually and he comments that he believes the words he is saying and that, if he was fed bullshit this entire time, he says it would have to be a flawless psychological operation on him and would totally blow him away because he knew several of those people for many years

Most of the people in the Manhattan Project were involved in founding the reverse engineering program

Thanks to wording in the original documents, the Department of Energy apparently has the power to completely control the status of confidentiality for any radioactive substance or compounds/materials containing radioactive nuclei

Grusch believes the NHI are not that much more advanced in technology relative to humanity, and that while humans invested in nuclear weapons and nuclear energy, the NHI instead developed in "another path"

It is difficult to assess how much progress has been made in reverse engineering the technology because it is so foreign

We are one discovery away from being able to manipulate spacetime

It is possible to make UAPs appear by launching a dud nuclear missile from a real facility, UAPs may appear and "take it down" (unspecified as to how)

NHI are VERY interested in radioactive nuclei (every nuclear energy, weapon or storage facility, places near radioactive spills, nuclear meltdowns, uranium deposits, plutonium storage facilities). They have no idea as to the NHI's intentions. Could be probing, reconnaisance, mere curiosity.

Grusch used a loophole in how you submit a request to access to certain information and if denied, a certain department has to identify itself and justify why not, in order to be able to publicly share some of the information.

Grusch mentions some UAP crashes seem to be deliberate, as if the NHI dropped it to see whether humanity was able to reverse engineer it.

There's essentially a "parallel history" for the people inside the program for the 20th century when it comes to scientific development. They suggest "Operation Paperclip" had more to do with UAPs than anything else, and that many of those recruited ended up in senior positions in either CIA or NASA instead of, you know, being tried in Nuremberg.

The "flying tic tacs" of today are the "flying propane tanks from the 50s", and apparently there are declassified files from the 50s mentioning flying propane tanks.

Grusch isn't clear on "why" the subject has the secrecy it has, he doesn't know if the higher ups believe "people wouldn't handle it" or if they keep it secret just to have a competitive military edge over other superpowers.

The Department of Energy is THE organization most responsible for the stigmatization of the entire UFO phenomenon. Edward Uhler Condon is the main debunker of the phenomenon, and there exists evidence of him coordinating with other agencies (including the USAF) to downplay it all and convice the public that any past investment into investigating UFOs was a waste of money.

The host asks Grusch about Bob Lazar, but Dave says he has absolutely no information on Lazar, and while he is aware of his story, he can't tell whether Bob's story is real or not.

Grusch openly says the term "threat to national security" is the term to which Congress most responds.

They imply the UAPs are not hostile and that we shouldn't attack them.

Grusch confirms (some?) NHI are bipedal humanoids, and they hypothesize that these bodies could be engineered.

Grusch reinforces that some UAPs may be just cross sections of higher dimensional objects.

Panicky Duck · Sep 11, 2023

Very interesting interview. Grusch and I must have different definitions of "advanced" lol. If they truly can react to a missle launch and neutralize it in-flight, I would say they're significantly more advanced than us.

Forerunner · Sep 11, 2023

How the First Couple to Claim UFO Abduction Slowly, But Surely, Lost Their Faith in America

Betty and Barney Hill lost three hours on a New Hampshire highway in 1961. They spent years trying to understand it.

slate.com

The thing is: If aliens are real and have made contact, then nothing else matters. Everything we could possibly know about the world goes out the window. Their existence would instantly obliterate history, politics—all that once mattered would evaporate into the narcissism of small differences. At least, that's what they represent to believers—a clean slate, a starting over, where all of human history is merely prelude, and things like race and class and creed become irrelevant.

But it was Betty and Barney Hill, an interracial couple living in New Hampshire, whose strange experience on the night of Sept. 19, 1961, would become the first truly credible story of an alien encounter. Driving south on Route 3 through the White Mountains, they saw a light in the sky sometime after 10 p.m. They followed it for a while, stopping to get a better look. They continued driving, getting home around 5 a.m. They shouldn't—given the trip's distance—have been home any later than 2:00, but neither could explain the lost time. Though at first reluctant to talk about what happened, Betty slowly began to tell people that they had seen an alien spaceship. Eventually, the Hills underwent hypnosis with the aid of psychiatrist Benjamin Simon, and would come to believe that at some point they had made contact, been taken aboard the alien ship, and had separately been probed and examined by their captors before being released.

Nearly everything we know—or think we know—about alien abductions begins with Betty and Barney Hill. They were the first people to claim that they had been abducted by aliens, the first people to describe aliens as not looking like science fiction's men in jumpsuits (they were, the Hills reported, short, with gray skin), and the first to be widely believed.

If the Hills' story is true, then nothing about the two of them really matters—all that matters is that aliens are real. But if the story is not true, then the specifics of their lives—their respective backgrounds, their marriage as an interracial couple in the 1960s, their lives in a state that nominally embraced liberal values while remaining overwhelmingly white and suffused with racist attitudes—are integral to understanding how they came to believe what they did. What led them to describe that night the way they did? Were they cranks? Was the experience a hysterical manifestation of stress? Were they being manipulated by unscrupulous actors eager to use the Hills to further their own beliefs?

His excellent and exhaustive book ultimately tells the story of how these two perhaps otherwise unremarkable people not only changed American history, but also came to reflect a larger change in American history: the end of a naïve belief that the government and other institutions could be counted on, and the beginning of an era when our shared understanding of the objective facts of reality began to crumble.

Rather than a story of alien abduction, Bowman is more interested in telling the story of how, "in an environment of growing cynicism about the state and the science that the state sponsored, an inexplicable encounter propelled Betty and Barney Hill toward suspicion of traditional sources of authority and a consequent exploration of more esoteric possibilities." (Bowman gives no real credence to the possibility an abduction could have occurred, but neither is he particularly invested in debunking UFO belief—he accepts the unlikeliness of the story as a given, and moves quickly to attempting to understand what led to it and what resulted from it.) The Hills moved through various disciplines of authority—the military, the church, psychiatric professionals—always with the goal of finding an established, credible person who would not only take them seriously, but also give shape and meaning to what they had experienced. Their failure to find validation in these traditional institutions offers, in microcosm, a story of the failure of a specific narrative of American progress and success.

An interracial marriage in 1960 was not unique, but it was by no means common, even among the liberal communities that Betty belonged to (miscegenation laws were still on the books in 30 states at the time). Their courtship and romance further testified to their belief that racial and social equality was possible. Together, they joined the Unitarian Universalist church, which attracted them with its teaching that human beings were essentially rational, and that any specific policy issue could be resolved through reasoned, informed debate.

Skeptical commentators have long theorized that Barney's sense of unease may have played into how he would come to describe their encounter on the journey home. Having described the aliens as having gray skin at one point, he would later state under hypnosis that one made him think of a "red-headed Irishman." Pressed by Simon under hypnosis, Barney would explain: "I think I know why. Because Irish are usually hostile to Negroes." Many commentators, including Simon, doubted the encounter had taken place, and believed that the story told under hypnosis was a filtered, oblique attempt to work through unconscious anxieties and racial tensions between the two of them.

But the Hills believed wholeheartedly that the experience was genuine. While Barney wanted to move on, afraid, perhaps, that as a Black man, such a story might damage his credibility and respectability, he eventually gave in, and the two contacted the Air Force—a move that, Bowman writes, was the beginning of series of disillusionments that would come to define the remainder of their lives.

The story that Bowman unfolds is one of two people unable to make sense of events that they nonetheless believed to be real, turning from one institution to another, hoping not just for validation, but for an explanation for what had happened to them. The Air Force's Project Blue Book (the service's task force for investigating all unexplained aerial phenomena) sent an officer to listen to their claims, one who ultimately dismissed their story as not being noteworthy. As noted in the report, the Hills did not "possess any technical or scientific training," a fact which gave the officer license to disregard their report.

Undaunted, the Hills sought out other authorities that might appear both legitimate and respectable, while still affirming their memories. After the military rebuffed them, they turned to psychiatry. Sympathetic believers in the UFO community urged the Hills to try hypnosis, hoping that memories of those missing hours might be recovered this way. In a series of sessions conducted by psychiatrist Benjamin Simon, more details came out: the spaceship had landed, humanoid figures wearing uniforms emerged, then had taken Betty and Barney onto their ship, separating them and performing medical experiments on them.

Simon didn't put any more credence into this story than the Air Force had. As Bowman explains, because Betty and Barney "would not concede that their lack of expertise meant that they were not capable of judging whether their memories were genuine," and because they would not bow to his authority in the matter, "Simon came to believe that their conviction that they were really abducted … pointed to a host of unaddressed psychological incapacities." Simon would at one point suggest that Barney had "latent homosexual" tendencies, and that the racial divide between the two of them was causing unaddressed tension that was manifesting itself in the story the Hills were now telling him.

Having lost faith in mainstream institutions, they turned, increasingly, to cranks. After Barney's sudden death of stroke in 1969, Betty became more and more involved with conspiracy theorists and New Age hucksters. In an autobiography written in the third person in 1980, Betty described herself as having long been involved not just in UFO research, but also "related areas such as animal mutilations, mystery helicopters, big foot and other strange creatures, the Men in Black." This move, Bowman argues, was gradual but irrevocable: "she moved towards a world darker and more dangerous than the sunny, harmonious society her Unitarianism had promised because it was one that she could understand, and in a sense, control."

Conspiracy theories flourish when we lose a shared consensus of reality and events as they happen. When institutions cannot or will not make sense of individuals' experiences, then even those individuals who believe in authority and crave legitimacy will eventually look elsewhere. The long, slow slide toward where we are now—when people on (and off) social media will dispute basic facts for political gains—had its start in the 1960s, with the JFK assassination and the moon landing, and with the Hills' abduction, which trained a whole generation to believe that neither the government nor science could be trusted to admit what ordinary people saw with their own eyes.

In 1970, a year after Barney's death, the actor James Earl Jones contacted Betty after reading The Interrupted Journey, and with her permission, eventually adapted it into a film, The UFO Incident. It's a simple but eloquent piece of filmmaking, and while it follows the events of the book, Jones was clearly less interested in extraterrestrials then he was in using the Hills' story to talk about race in America. (Largely to Betty's dismay: "The original [script] had much more of the ufo in it," she complained to a friend. "I was disappointed that so much was left out.")

The UFO Incident premiered on NBC on Oct. 20, 1975. Two weeks later, a white Texan named Travis Walton claimed that he, too, was abducted while clearing brush in Arizona. Walton was missing for five days. His story neatly paralleled the NBC film, and became a media sensation (the National Enquirer paid him $5,000 for an interview, after he passed a polygraph test). His story, which was adapted into the film Fire in the Sky, is generally now agreed on to have been a complete hoax.

Jones had taken an experience whose meaning was never fully clear and adapted it into a story about race in America. Walton, in turn, took Jones' story and repurposed its bones into a story about alien life. In the absence of anything definitive, these remain the two ways we've learned to interpret stories of extraterrestrial encounters. For some, they are an occasion to understand ourselves. But others maintain that if we can just somehow remove all the context surrounding such events, and make them about nothing other than aliens, then perhaps all the thorny, difficult discussions about race and everything else will just disappear—as if taken up into the sky, along with all our troubles.

Honome · Sep 11, 2023

Why this thread has gone to hangout? We had the other thread for more than 3 years and never has been relegated to hangout. But this thread have less than 3 months and have already been sent to obscurity.

How anyone can take the subject serious when not even ERA threats us with respect? Or maybe the goal is that people don't take anything related to UAP seriously in first place?

Deleted member 156745 · Sep 11, 2023

I just want to reiterate, Chuck Schumer's amendment for next year's National Defense Authorization Act has over 20 references to Non Human Intelligence in it. People can say David Grusch isn't an authoritative source all they want, but remember, he's testified on the record to both the Senate, House, and the Inspector General behind closed doors. And those ~40 individuals he knew of that he referred to that have worked in programs that Grusch found out about were referred up to the Gang of Eight.

And out of those discussion with Grusch and first-hand witnesses inside the program, came this legislation. I'm not sure why exactly the most powerful man in Congress would write up an amendment to the NDAA off of some random person's false claim including language , and besides eminent domain amendments on private companies with craft from Non Human Intelligence have to turn it over to the US government. And wording that an independent panel will be set up of various specialists including a biologist and sociologist to determine what information be made public. Did all of that come out of thin air from the Gang of Eight's imagination, or did they hear and see things that verified exactly what Grusch learned as well?

He's just as credible, if not more so, than Edward Snowden and other whistleblowers. Just because a person may be uncomfortable, or for some reason had their ego tied to the ridicule of this subject, or even their ego thinking they figured out the world as it is and that "it can't be, therefore it isn't" - it's heck of jump in my opinion for any human to believe we know everything about our reality and ridicule others over it.

Maybe it's time for some to be a little more humble in what we think we know about our collective reality. No one should be surprised the species that torches the earth with rudimentary energy sources and fights with each other every single day over getting theirs, may not be as intelligent as we think we are.

Once again, the NDAA proposed that will likely be signed into law this month:

"Asked about the specificity of the allegations, Rubio stated that individuals with "firsthand knowledge or firsthand claims" are "saying to us what you've seen out there in the public record, whether it's about legacy [UFO] programs or about current events." "

Echoing Rubio's comments and Schumer's statement, Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.), who serves on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, stated recently that "all sorts of [UFO whistleblowers] are coming out of the woodwork" and telling Congress that "they've been part of this or that [UFO] program."

According to Gallagher, last year's enactment of UFO whistleblower protections resulted in "a variety of pretty intense conversations."

‘Non-human intelligence’: Schumer proposes stunning new UFO legislation

Fortunately, the public may not have to wait for the new legislation to become law to learn more about what the U.S. government knows about UAP.

thehill.com

Deleted member 896 · Sep 11, 2023

RedT said:
I just want to reiterate, Chuck Schumer's amendment for next year's National Defense Authorization Act has over 20 references to Non Human Intelligence in it. People can say David Grusch isn't an authoritative source all they want, but remember, he's testified on the record to both the Senate, House, and the Inspector General behind closed doors. And those ~40 individuals he knew of that he referred to that have worked in programs that Grusch found out about were referred up to the Gang of Eight.

And out of those discussion with Grusch and first-hand witnesses inside the program, came this legislation. I'm not sure why exactly the most powerful man in Congress would write up an amendment to the NDAA off of some random person's false claim including language , and besides eminent domain amendments on private companies with craft from Non Human Intelligence have to turn it over to the US government. And wording that an independent panel will be set up of various specialists including a biologist and sociologist to determine what information be made public. Did all of that come out of thin air from the Gang of Eight's imagination, or did they hear and see things that verified exactly what Grusch learned as well?

It's difficult to respond to this in a way that doesn't seem combative, but I promise that that's not really my intent. With that out of the way, I honestly do not understand the hype behind the NDAA Amendment. It's one of many things that people are latching on to where I shrug and think "this could mean something, it could mean nothing. Who knows?" Is it plausible they've seen classified information that totally validated all these claims? Absolutely. And maybe that's why they rushed this through so quickly because this really is a top priority. But I feel like it's also possible that there's enough public interest in this topic that this is a pretty costless thing with bipartisan support that even if you think it's nonsense, what's the downside to adding this language? Like, even if I thought Schumer was a gullible rube being taken for a ride, I don't see the harm in having this language on the books.

JetmanJay · Sep 11, 2023

RedT said:
I just want to reiterate, Chuck Schumer's amendment for next year's National Defense Authorization Act has over 20 references to Non Human Intelligence in it. People can say David Grusch isn't an authoritative source all they want, but remember, he's testified on the record to both the Senate, House, and the Inspector General behind closed doors. And those ~40 individuals he knew of that he referred to that have worked in programs that Grusch found out about were referred up to the Gang of Eight.

And out of those discussion with Grusch and first-hand witnesses inside the program, came this legislation. I'm not sure why exactly the most powerful man in Congress would write up an amendment to the NDAA off of some random person's false claim including language , and besides eminent domain amendments on private companies with craft from Non Human Intelligence have to turn it over to the US government. And wording that an independent panel will be set up of various specialists including a biologist and sociologist to determine what information be made public. Did all of that come out of thin air from the Gang of Eight's imagination, or did they hear and see things that verified exactly what Grusch learned as well?

He's just as credible, if not more so, than Edward Snowden and other whistleblowers. Just because a person may be uncomfortable, or for some reason had their ego tied to the ridicule of this subject, or even their ego thinking they figured out the world as it is and that "it can't be, therefore it isn't" - it's heck of jump in my opinion for any human to believe we know everything about our reality and ridicule others over it.

Maybe it's time for some to be a little more humble in what we think we know about our collective reality. No one should be surprised the species that torches the earth with rudimentary energy sources and fights with each other every single day over getting theirs, may not be as intelligent as we think we are.

Once again, the NDAA proposed that will likely be signed into law this month:

"Asked about the specificity of the allegations, Rubio stated that individuals with "firsthand knowledge or firsthand claims" are "saying to us what you've seen out there in the public record, whether it's about legacy [UFO] programs or about current events." "

Echoing Rubio's comments and Schumer's statement, Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.), who serves on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, stated recently that "all sorts of [UFO whistleblowers] are coming out of the woodwork" and telling Congress that "they've been part of this or that [UFO] program."

According to Gallagher, last year's enactment of UFO whistleblower protections resulted in "a variety of pretty intense conversations."

‘Non-human intelligence’: Schumer proposes stunning new UFO legislation

Fortunately, the public may not have to wait for the new legislation to become law to learn more about what the U.S. government knows about UAP.

thehill.com

Good post 👍

Maybe we should just create a new thread, with the above link, back in the main forum to generate discussion, and remind people that this isn't going away, it's relevant, and it's not conspiracy theory?

Sad that Forerunner got thread warned posting a damn summary of what Grusch said in the video above.
Just wanted to tell them thanks for keeping up the posting. A Lot of us are still reading it all, even if we aren't discussing it.

Deleted member 156745 · Sep 11, 2023

JetmanJay said:
Good post 👍

Maybe we should just create a new thread, with the above link, back in the main forum to generate discussion, and remind people that this isn't going away, it's relevant, and it's not conspiracy theory?

Sad that Forerunner got thread warned posting a damn summary of what Grusch said in the video above.
Just wanted to tell them thanks for keeping up the posting. A Lot of us are still reading it all, even if we aren't discussing it.

I think it's fine here, there, wherever .. I'm not going to push something where the powers that be don't want it. I do want to clarify some positions here, if anyone is curious as well.

This is, in fact, not a 'gateway drug' topic to conspiracies. None of the sensible people here who have posted are into 9/11, Covid, Qanon, conspiracies or ever have been. There are crazies out there that say crazy stuff, but that's about anything, and they ARE pointed out by the logical people in this field. You still have people saying rock music and videogames are Satanist hobbies - just because crazies are associated with this subject with wild theories makes them no more of a crux to this subject matter than it does ultra crazy conservative religious extremists do with some media of choice.

And just because some Republicans have been more in the spotlight lately, doesn't mean I believe in their politics, or this is a Republican issue - Harry Reid was the first one to start the AATIP program and get it funded, just like the House hearings had Democrats and Republicans, and Chuck Schumer is a Democrat with Republicans on the bill.

This is an apolitical subject matter, and always has been, and it predates any wacky conspiracy theories and has nothing to do with them, even way back when WW2 Allied pilots began to see odd objects they called Foo Fighters in the sky. And then the sightings shot up substantially once nuclear weapons were brought into the world and the same shapes of objects doing the same things now have been reported thousands of times now for around 80 years. They're not out there hallucinating the Millennium Falcon up there, or the Avengers or X-Men jet being sighted, they follow a pattern of appearance and behavior and have for decades.

For it to be possible, all that has to happen are three things: Are we as humans arrogant enough to think we know everything about reality? Can something intelligent evade rudimentary scientific observation, which is all non-military personnel have? And does the government with the only infrastructure possibly strong enough to detect these things able to enforce the info getting out?

This subject worthy of study and transparency, and as J. Allen Hynek said: "Ridicule is not a part of the scientific method and the public should not be taught that it is."

Bossanova · Sep 11, 2023

Discord = freedom

Honome · Sep 11, 2023

Bossanova said:
Discord = freedom

yes, zero bans on discord, so far

Galaxea · Sep 12, 2023

Shoot said:
I just caught up on the thread... Wow. I want to thank everyone for their contributions to the last thread and this thread especially Forerunner. I got into this subject thanks to his fact based approach and frequent news updates. This is the only UAP thread on Resetera and it would suck if it got locked.

I just made a Discord server in case so we don't lose our community.
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I'm new to Discord so it's barebones.

Thanks for this.

Baji Boxer · Sep 12, 2023

Defect said:
New Grusch interview

View: https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw?feature=shared

Unfortunately, that channel also promotes Alex Jones and other idiocy. Interviewing with people like this hurts more than helps.

Bossanova · Sep 12, 2023

Baji Boxer said:
Unfortunately, that channel also promotes Alex Jones and other idiocy. Interviewing with people like this hurts more than helps.

I don't like Alex Jones but the video was great.

Deleted member 156745 · Sep 12, 2023

Baji Boxer said:
Unfortunately, that channel also promotes Alex Jones and other idiocy. Interviewing with people like this hurts more than helps.

I know even know the guy or who he promotes, and I think the UFO community probably does need to be more cognizant of that - but there's not enough time in the day to purity check every single Youtuber or podcaster to trace every word they say on social media or past Youtube videos to play public jury duty with every person in the world.

Mainly it's been about getting the news out on big platforms and I'm not sure if that particular guy lives close to Grusch or whatever the arrangement was to do that interview, but I don't believe in the whole transitive properties about being guilty by association as long as the presenter isn't bringing their shit views to the table. And in this case, I only read the summary of Grusch's comments.

It's unfortunately the whole post-truth movement has decided to hang on to the UFO topic as a new segment in the 'suite of conspiracies' even though it predates all this Trump era nonsense by decades. And rest assured, the day disclosure comes to light, they'll chase the next contrarian conspiracy about how it wasn't NHI behind it, but it's all a false flag to create the New World Order and all kinds of other crazy shit.

People following this field can't help where and why those with information go on certain platforms, but it's nearly impossible not to have a loose association with someone crazy in this field whether its UFO conferences or platforms when there's so few ways to get information out because the mainstream media doesn't want to ask hard questions of the executive branch or Pentagon because they'll lose all their other access to information with their sources by pissing them off.

It's like the thread in the Gaming Forum - everyone who buys a gaming system has an association with funding Chinese slave labor. Or has a loose association with people who committed crimes like shootings inspired by videogames. Or even that GamerGate nonsense that happened. Just because someone wants to buy a game console who's platform funds slave labor, and play a game that's inspired criminals or is a favorite of some sexist wacko doesn't mean that person is associating with them or agrees with them. I typically read summaries anyway, and I don't see why there should be a problem with that information coming out.

DinkyDev · Sep 12, 2023

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCY08bvbe0M

Watch the Exclusive Trailer for ‘Encounters’, Motherboard’s New UFO Doc Series on Netflix

“Encounters” explores global UFO sightings and debuts September 27 on Netflix.

www.vice.com

Forerunner · Sep 12, 2023

View: https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1701625159570845793?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

NASA will host a media briefing at 10 a.m. EDT on Thursday, Sept. 14, at the agency's headquarters in Washington to discuss the findings from an unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP) independent study team it commissioned in 2022.

About 30 minutes before the briefing, the agency will publish the team's full report online, which aims to inform NASA on what possible data could be collected in the future to shed light on the nature and origin of UAP. The report is not a review or assessment of previous unidentifiable observations.

NASA defines UAP as observations of events in the sky that cannot be identified as aircraft or known natural phenomena from a scientific perspective. There are currently a limited number of high-quality observations of UAP, which make it impossible to draw firm scientific conclusions about their nature.

The briefing will stream live on NASA Television, the NASA app, and the agency's website at:

https://www.nasa.gov/live
Briefing participants include:

NASA Administrator Bill Nelson

Nicola Fox, associate administrator, Science Mission Directorate, NASA Headquarters in Washington

Dan Evans, assistant deputy associate administrator for research, NASA's Science Mission Directorate

David Spergel, president, Simons Foundation and chair of NASA's UAP independent study team

Baji Boxer · Sep 12, 2023

Edit: Glad to see OP deleted the video and left up the bullet points, so I'm not going to discuss that channel further.

Bossanova · Sep 12, 2023

The video is good but if you want something concise to look at bullet points are great.

ced · Sep 12, 2023

Forerunner said:
View: https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1701625159570845793?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Interesting, AARO has a report due too, they're late though.

Baji Boxer · Sep 12, 2023

DinkyDev said:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCY08bvbe0M

Watch the Exclusive Trailer for ‘Encounters’, Motherboard’s New UFO Doc Series on Netflix

“Encounters” explores global UFO sightings and debuts September 27 on Netflix.

www.vice.com

Cool. I really like them showing a more international human perspective.

Forerunner · Sep 12, 2023

View: https://twitter.com/NancyMace/status/1701651141115740544

Joining the #UAP Caucus to stand for truth & transparency in our pursuit of the unknown. The mysteries of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (#UAP) demand our attention, rigorous investigation, data-driven analysis & oversight. The pursuit of truth knows no boundaries.

View: https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1701606080185602473

On 8-21-23, Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN) and five other members of the U.S. House of Representatives requested that Inspector General of the Intelligence Community Thomas Monheim respond to two UAP-related questions by 9-15-23, or by 9-26-23 for classified information. Today, Burchett's spokesperson told me, "We received an acknowledgement of receipt, but no response to our questions or indication of when/if we might receive one."

The six signatories signed the request as individual House members, as distinguished from a request from the chairman of a House standing committee or subcommittee, issued in the name of such a duly constituted panel.

Forerunner · Sep 12, 2023

Forerunner said:
View: https://twitter.com/uncertainvector/status/1694724647634501951

So this is happening right now and they are showing "bodies". They brought them to the hearing lol.

WeAreStarStuff · Sep 12, 2023

Forerunner said:
So this is happening right now and they are showing "bodies". They brought them to the hearing lol.

Reddit is on fire with this right now.

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