lmao obvious truisms about american support for israel are now apparently not only controversial but antisemitic and omar needs to be primaried
this picking on the hijabi congresswoman couldn't be more blatant
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lmao obvious truisms about american support for israel are now apparently not only controversial but antisemitic and omar needs to be primaried
this picking on the hijabi congresswoman couldn't be more blatant
People, especially on the right, have been pillorying her for some of her (frankly) inartful statements on Israel related matters. She's very much critical of Israel and that ends up setting off a lot of tensions.
That last one seems kinda weird to retweet in general since it was critical of her.
Yeah well I'm tired of of these pro-Israel organizations and people who IMMEDIATELY jump at the first chance to label any criticism of AIPAC or Israel as anti-semetic. Fucking done. They can fuck right off into the void and distract somebody else with their crocodile tears while their Sponsor country continues it's warcrimes, brutalization and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. She will be frogmarched into an apology by these a-holes and will become flavor of the week on Fox News. I hope she continues to be a fucking thorn on the side of AIPAC though.
That retweet was weird though. She needs to take one of AoC's twitter courses.
Well it's "anti-semitic", and yes people get riled up when the assume things about others, like plenty of people on Twitter, facebook, etc. were doing about Omar before and shortly after the election. Some Texas pol just nuked his account after calling AOC a bimbo. So yes they are easily riled up.
Hot bullshit take right there.
I'm very critical of Israel. But she is fucking terrible at conveying the message and doesn't seem to give a shit that she sounds anti-Semitic (even if she isn't).
She was also defending the Maduro dictatorship, which in my opinion is indefensible even if she is ignorant on the matter. She's a Congresswoman. She should educate herself before she speaks on hot issues like this. And if she's wrong, she needs to apologize. She didn't.
Because of how amateur hour she is and is causing damage to our party, yes, I do think she should be primaried. I don't want someone who is so shitty at this to be representing Dems in Congress.
I don't give a single fuck what religion or ethnicity she is.
Go back to lurking if this is all you can contribute.
Yes, Chelsea Clinton and Max Rose are obviously reacting in bad faith to her behavior and couldnt possibly be genuinely upset! /s
Like seriously, look at the timestamps.
"Implying that Americans support Israel because of money alone is offensive enough."
I agree. She should go further and say that many Americans (Republicans, specifically) support Israel because of imperial geopolitical interest, Islamophobia, and insane religious apocalypticism.
I agree. She should go further and say that many Americans (Republicans, specifically) support Israel because of imperial geopolitical interest, Islamophobia, and insane religious apocalypticism.
Are you saying it's a problem that a sexist asshole nuked his account for being called out for being a sexist asshole?
Please. Chelsea Clinton (and Clintons in general) are not exactly the rational voices when it comes to Israel. This is coming from someone who loves Hillary. Her platform on Israel is the only thing that gave me a pause in 2016 over Bernie's.
Ooh, can we do one of those sweaty guy with two buttons memes with "Ilhan Oman is an evil socialist" vs "Ilhan Oman called out AIPAC"?
(These sorts of things are why I'm terrified AOC will inevitably be reamed by the internet, because she's under a way bigger microscope than this)
(These sorts of things are why I'm terrified AOC will inevitably be reamed by the internet, because she's under a way bigger microscope than this)
Then why even bring that up as an example of overreaction, when it isn't?
A better example would be people dogpiling Kirsten Gillibrand on every one of her posts for speaking out against Al Franken.
Not trying to antagonize you; I'm just really quite confused by your posts if what I think your intention is isn't actually your intention.
Giving short, pointed comments about controversial topics on a platform like Twitter is always a double edged sword and can easily not go the way you think. And this is especially true given your position as a public figure and how eager some people are to paint you in a certain way. She needs to be more careful. Or maybe she is actually a terrible person and her lax attitude on social media is making the mask slip a bit. Only time will tell.
She needs to be careful how to do that, even if she has good intentions and isn't anti-semitic. Yelling offensive things to Jewish people on twitter will provide the GOP ammunition to punish her, inside and outside congress. Now she's just giving them more ammunition, which is not good. Omar's already in their crosshairs at the moment. It's going to get worse with tweets like those.
AOC is already a million leagues ahead of her at this.
THIS
How is this tweet not about Israel? She is talking about the influence of Israel and AIPAC. Immediately people twist it into ZOMG JEWISH MONEY TROPEEE
melissa byrne @mcbyrne
Disappointed @ChelseaClinton is pilling on @IlhanMN instead of reaching out to her. She is a new MoC and figuring out how to navigate calling out AIPAC ( which is a terrible organization aligned with Bibi) and learning that a lot of folks will assume the worst.
Chelsea Clinton @ChelseaClinton
Hi Melissa - I will reach out to her tomorrow. I also think we have to call out anti-Semitic language and tropes on all sides, particularly in our elected officials and particularly now.
Ilhan Omar @IlhanMN
Chelsea - I would be happy to talk. We must call out smears from the GOP and their allies. And I believe we can do that without criticizing people for their faith.
I look forward to building an inclusive movement for justice with you.
Chelsea Clinton @ChelseaClinton
Hello Congresswoman! Completely agree. I will reach out to your office tomorrow. Looking forward to connecting about this thread and more, Chelsea
Disappointed @ChelseaClinton is pilling on @IlhanMN instead of reaching out to her. She is a new MoC and figuring out how to navigate calling out AIPAC ( which is a terrible organization aligned with Bibi) and learning that a lot of folks will assume the worst.
Chelsea Clinton @ChelseaClinton
Hi Melissa - I will reach out to her tomorrow. I also think we have to call out anti-Semitic language and tropes on all sides, particularly in our elected officials and particularly now.
Ilhan Omar @IlhanMN
Chelsea - I would be happy to talk. We must call out smears from the GOP and their allies. And I believe we can do that without criticizing people for their faith.
I look forward to building an inclusive movement for justice with you.
Chelsea Clinton @ChelseaClinton
Hello Congresswoman! Completely agree. I will reach out to your office tomorrow. Looking forward to connecting about this thread and more, Chelsea
She could use her words to explicitly say that. She didn't.
If she isn't being anti-semitic she's being super sloppy. Assuming she's doing it in good faith, there's valid criticisms she could be making of Israel but her choices have been counterproductive. If instead she's trying to use her platform to make anti-semitism more acceptable then this sloppiness makes sense and is also vile. I hope she's better than that.
Fellow democrat now insinuating the congresswoman said antisemitic things. Of course that's life of a Muslim in America. Lack of trust even by fellow members .
It wasn't even an idea until the 18th century. It's a complete misinterpretation.
Well, I know you are a good person, which is why I was really fucking confused by your posts, because they read to me like you were defending someone who had to nuke his Twitter account for being sexist.
Like I said, I know you are a good person who's on the same side, so I'm preeeeeeetty sure that wasn't your intent. Which is why I asked.
Yeah, I'm basically at this point. The first tweet, eh, but that retweet just showed a lack of comms skills.
you don't care what religion or ethnicty yet she's the one you're advocating to be primaried? over all the other dems doing damage to the party? she has a different perspective than all the non muslims in congress on the israeli palestinian conflict which might explain her indelicacy
she was also clearly talking about ISRAEL because she was talking about the influence of A*I*PAC. no wonder when pro israel liberals do an intentional bad faith misreading of her comments it fucking sounds bad
if all YOU have to contribute is calling for 50% of the islamic presence in congress to be excised just because the woman is too emotional and "uneducated", maybe it's time for you to take a break from posting
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So you are saying because she is a Muslim she has to be clearer in her words ? Why ? Many other twitters respond with just one word which can insinuate different things but they don't seem to be pre judged
Does she? Or she's simply brave enough to speak up about it? There are many things I disagree with AIPAC and Israel about but it's a very difficult issue to discuss due to antisemitism as a random poster on a site about video games so the words taken must be chosen carefully. She's a US Representative, the scrutiny is going to be higher. With very real consequences if she crosses some lines that aren't crossed for a reason.
We were specifically talking about Omar. That's why I specifically said she should be primaried. Should I have put a disclaimer in my post listing everyone I want primaried? Like, for real?
There are PLENTY of other Dems in Congress I want to be primaried. Regulars here have seen my posts about some of them, where I specifically mentioned I wanted them primaried.
Rashida Tlaib is also Muslim and critical of Israel. Guess what? I don't want her primaried.
...No?
That tweet would have had anti-Semitic implications even if written by Bobby Whitebread Jones.
Responding "Benjamins" ($) to a quote about Jewish people and thus invoking age-old stereotypes about Jewish conspiracy/money lenders/bankers controlling the world would get anyone a side eye.
Yeah I was just saying that to my husband, lol.
He's a fucking loser.
I assume a lot of us would agree that republicans and organizations like AIPAC construe any critique of Israel as anti-semitic in a bad faith effort to squash criticism. But that doesn't mean it's smart to hand them a gun they can shoot you with by being sloppy. Be specific, consider how your words could be spun — and not just because they'll call you anti-semitic and derail your efforts, but because, perhaps more importantly, you also don't want to give actual anti-semites the wrong idea about you.
She was talking about lobbying. Saudis use money, Qataris use money, South Koreans label money. All lobbying exists with monetary and transaction based influences on congress and senate. Every normal person knows what she meant. People seem to have a pre conceived finger pointed her for not choosing her words carefully especially as a Muslim
And, most important, maybe you don't want actual Jewish people to think you're anti-Semitic like the man she accidentally retweeted.
To put a more cogent point on it, I have doubts about the ability to read those comments as antisemitic in good faith. The Israeli government and affiliated lobbyists use the conflation of them with all Jews to their advantage so that they can lob antisemtism accusations left and right at anyone who dares stand up to their genocidal agenda. The good faith assumption is to assume that somebody means Israel when they're talking about Israel unless they provide evidence to the contrary.
Yep, the rapture isn't biblical. Some Evangelical Christians really do not invest in studying the good book.
Oh no I wasn't defending him at all, he obviously couldn't control himself making that comment. When I was talking about people reacting and getting riled up, I was referring to those people and these types of reductive, sexist, etc. comments - and not people who were responding for clarification, or flagging tweets expressing potentially problematic views. I'm sorry for causing any confusion.
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