US PoliEra 2019 |OT8| WHITE HOUSE ADMITS TO QUID PRO QUO WITH UKRAINE
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Historical Tidbit. That's roughly the percentage of republicans that supported Impeaching Nixon when he resigned. Trump is in very bad shape numbers wise. The Country is ready to get rid of trump at higher levels then they were with Nixon. It really does just come down to Pressure on republicans in the senate now
So, he's going to continue to run for president by running for president less. Come on Bernie. Do not literally die on the trail.
After meeting with Mick Mulvaney at the White House today, former South Carolina congressman Trey Gowdy has accepted an offer to serve as outside counsel to President Trump, sources tell @PamelaBrownCNN and me.
Actually, I'd say odds are that not cooperating actually helps Cheeto and his administration. They will either continue to stonewall and spin and nothing will happen, or the Dems will agree to something that removes any teeth from the inquiry and nothing will happen. That's how I handicap it. Doesn't mean something unexpected might happen.
Basically, in most situations, if you're guilty, the best thing you can do is shut up and refuse to cooperate. And in this case, who's gonna fucking him him cooperate?
This echoes what we were hearing about Biden not wanting a full on campaign schedule pre-entry into the race.
I remember Gowdy pretending to have a spine for half a second a year ago as fucked as he is. And here we are.
People who talk about "inherent contempt" are not serious people and should not be taken seriously.
I think the main thing is voting in Trump's favor not only removes the status of Congress as a co-equal branch entirely, it also undermines the power of the judiciary. I can't imagine ALL of the conservatives on the court voting to subjugate themselves to the president.
Metrics are great, but I think at least 30% of Republicans need to support impeachment before Republican senators start considering turning on Trump.
So he's basically a consultant instead of the primary lawyer?
That's a clever dodge that avoids pissing off the admin (for now.)
Damn, PoliEra coming hard at Preet Bahara, you hate to see it
Also, sorry, not sorry. I'm going to say it:
If your health is too poor to campaign for president, your health is too poor to be President. Temporary illnesses, like cold, flu, pneumonia are one thing. But a fucking heart attack that, by your own admission, is going to require you to reshape the way in which you campaign? Just drop out. It's irresponsible. It's asinine to keep taking these people's money. Because as much as I dislike Bernie, I really, really, really don't want him to fucking die.
If your health is too poor to campaign for president, your health is too poor to be President. Temporary illnesses, like cold, flu, pneumonia are one thing. But a fucking heart attack that, by your own admission, is going to require you to reshape the way in which you campaign? Just drop out. It's irresponsible. It's asinine to keep taking these people's money. Because as much as I dislike Bernie, I really, really, really don't want him to fucking die.
Anybody thinking the Supreme Court bows to Trump in a case of his ultimate power is out of their mind. They know well enough that when that decision comes down, our functioning government as we know it is done. It won't happen. Maybe 2 or 3 might vote that way, but I cannot see more.
No. I could be wrong in terms of government lawyers, but I believe it just means he is not an employee of the government. He's still Dump's lawyer.
In industry, outside counsel means hiring lawyers from a law firm or external organization and not the in-house counsel who are employees of the company. For example, the law firm I work for is the outside counsel for the organizations they represent.
So....in order for GOP Congress to go along with Trumps defense, they have to agree that they themselves have no power or oversight over the Executive branch.
When the Senate has to review and decide on the validity of the impeachment articles, they'll have to tacitly admit that despite Trump clearly obstructing THEIR OWN BRANCH of government, they either don't care, or agree with the President.
...let's see how that goes.
When the Senate has to review and decide on the validity of the impeachment articles, they'll have to tacitly admit that despite Trump clearly obstructing THEIR OWN BRANCH of government, they either don't care, or agree with the President.
...let's see how that goes.
Correct, anyone outside the DOJ and White House can be called "outside" counsel.
Yeah, it is annoying as heck. It feels like his ego is just too big to let himself give up now even though his life is literally at stake.
Honestly take it to the supreme court. the majority would side against him in this case. If they were gonna give the presidency complete immunity from congressional oversight it was fucked from the outset anyway.
I read that Bernie tweet as the beginning of his campaign winding down into him dropping out, rather than an attempt to keep it going forever, but maybe I'm off base
Very likely but I'm curious how voters will respond to their representatives openly dismissing their obligations under the Constitution.
Yeah that's fair.
Sure but the government actually has a mechanism to stop this BS before it starts. Plus, you know, much less likely to get caught.
if they're republicans they'll agree with it, because as much as republicans like to jack off to the constitution they don't actually read it or care about what it has to say
And constitutional lawyer Ed Raskin.
And other totally not serious idiots like Jerry Nadler, Adam Schiff, and almost everyone else (with a brain) on those committees.
People, inherent contempt isn't just throwing someone in a Congress jail. It's fines as well, which is where they will start.
Though I still maintain we're going to see that jail option before the end because we're way into uncharted waters right now with Trump's escalation, and at least inherent contempt has already been tested in waters.
Like Rudy's money laundering Russian friends linked in this Ukraine article are prime examples of easy fodderized meat to use inherent contempt on and I think we'll see it on them before we see it on anyone else. Hell, Giuliani himself is a nice starting target. He has no actual executive protection.
Are you sure about that
This is the same scotus that said he can just do whatever he wants as long as he believes it's a national emergency and that he doesn't need proof that there is one, because there is one as long as he says it
I'm assuming at least 20% have read it or care what it has to say considering they approve of an impeachment inquiry.
Naaaaah I think I'm gonna have to go with PoliEra user devSin on this one over these no-name nobodies fam
So, Ithink we finally did it! We're in a constitutional crisis.
My big question is, what republicans will be willing to stand up and say that WH legal reasoning is fucking absurd?
My big question is, what republicans will be willing to stand up and say that WH legal reasoning is fucking absurd?
Even Warren is too old for what we are about to go through really. She'd be the oldest ever elected if she won. Everyone of our top three is too old.
Our good old people are too old, our good young people are like 12, and our in healthy shape people of a qualified age are terrible at basically everything they do. Except Climate daddy but no one liked him for some reason.
Our good old people are too old, our good young people are like 12, and our in healthy shape people of a qualified age are terrible at basically everything they do. Except Climate daddy but no one liked him for some reason.
I know it's almost passe to say at this point but...
... call your congressman and senators, especially if you have a Republican one representing your state.
It's quick, it's easy, and the message can be very simple. "I'm calling to let you know I cannot support President Trump's blatant obstruction and violation of his oath of office. Thank you and have a good day."
Will they buckle? *shrug* But every voice counts.
Does anyone have a good quick video that can be shared to people who don't know Warren and her platform to help educate them? Think 60 year old boomer who has no attention span
Warren is the upper level of what I am fine with. Actually, Hillary was in 2016, but 2 years on her isn't that much of an issue. Women live longer, and, so far as we know, she has no health isuses. But, honestly, Biden and Bernie are just too old. Biden...I worry about his mental health, and Bernie....ya. It's a lot. I genuinely don't want any of these people to fucking die running for President, even if I don't personally support them.
I genuinely don't know how Bernie thinks he's going to fix the slide in the polls by campaigning less. This is as a good of an exit ramp as he's going to get. He should take it.
If yhete is anyone who knows a thing or two about fake, made up scandals it's Trey Gowdy. Gg schiff
How do you enforce inherent contempt, though? Does it take the FBI to seize the funds? The IRS? Anything where Trump could get in between the declaration of inherent contempt and the execution of it?
That's the gimme. Hurd maybe. Amash obviously.
Where's Murkowski been?
"I forget his name. Climbed Everest without any oxygen, came down nearly dead. When they asked him, they said "Why did you go up there to die?" He said "I didn't, I went up there to live".
Bernie in a nutshell.
Sure, piss off the rural vote even more while you're at it, Matt
All these losers that can't even qualify before Andrew Yang should drop out too.
Everyone below Klobuchar, who at least can plausibly get her polls before November 13.
Also, yeah, Warren will be the oldest. But a 71 year old woman at inauguration vs a 78 year old man with a history of aneurysm and a 79 year old man who just had a heart attack are a world of difference.
Everyone below Klobuchar, who at least can plausibly get her polls before November 13.
Also, yeah, Warren will be the oldest. But a 71 year old woman at inauguration vs a 78 year old man with a history of aneurysm and a 79 year old man who just had a heart attack are a world of difference.
LMAO I just this fucking guy
I can't wait for Andy to kick his ass.
Can't trump just pardon whomever is busted for inherent contempt?
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