US PoliEra 2020 |OT 2| Dershowitz says "Quid Pro Quo on the Go?" [See Staff Post]

RastaMentality · Feb 19, 2020

Kaitos said:
Who is saying that? That's just stupid.

What Obama Is Saying in Private About the Democratic Primary

Sure, he’s got thoughts about Sanders and Bloomberg — and others in the field. But keeping mum is part of a much bigger plan.

nymag.com

A lot of people want their biases about the non-Sanders crowd in the Dem
Party confirmed. Same with the crowd who thinks Warren cut a deal with Biden last month for VP and is now angling to endorse Bloomberg after she drops out. Thank God we only have ~1-2 months left of this shit.

The Hill: Obama has reportedly said in private that he would speak up to stop a Sanders nomination

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/472090-obama-privately-said-he-would-speak-up-to-stop-sanders-report?amp Stop my nomination if old.

www.resetera.com

Side note: I hate the constant whining about supporters but there were a good amount of people who thought Obama would snub Sanders.

Teggy · Feb 19, 2020

The funny thing is republicans who didn't like trump did so partly because he was terrible, but also because the conventional wisdom was there was no way he'd win.

democrats who don't like Bloomberg don't like him because he's terrible, but also because he very likely would win.

Basileus777 · Feb 19, 2020

Teggy said:
The funny thing is republicans who didn't like trump did so partly because he was terrible, but also because the conventional wisdom was there was no way he'd win.

democrats who don't like Bloomberg don't like him because he's terrible, but also because he very likely would win.

Eh, plenty of the people fearmongering about Bloomberg think he would lose in the general.

Ayahuasca · Feb 19, 2020

shadow_shogun said:

Who's Al Eppo?

RastaMentality · Feb 19, 2020

Jonathan Chavez on Twitter

“If only Bernie hits 15% he’ll net 144 delegates on the field. If a second candidate hits the board, his net advantage on that candidate in CA statewide at-large delegates shrinks to ≈50. 2 other and it shrinks to ≈30. It’s the biggest inflection point in the race.”

twitter.com

Tiger Priest · Feb 19, 2020

alr1ght said:
Yeahhh, I'm coming to terms with Trump getting another term. That the Dems screwed it up this badly with an easily winnable election is just sad. Oh well, I'll be 65 once the Supreme Court is able to shift back left.

Better to get used to it now than in November.

Agreed. I'm already making my escape plan.

patientzero · Feb 19, 2020

Tiger Priest said:
Agreed. I'm already making my escape plan.

I.e. "I'm comfortable enough to escape to other arms". Whatever that means. "I don't have to fight too hard because I have options." Have fun, some of us have skin in the game.

adam387 · Feb 19, 2020

So, I think saying "Bernie is definitely going to lose" is as wrong as saying "Bernie is definitely going to win." Do I have major doubts about his ability to win the General? Absolutely. Would I rather go into the election with nearly anyone else? Yes. But, if the party voters nominate him, that's what we go with. I'll max out to him the day he's the nominee.

It's just my personal opinion that a lot of folks vastly underestimate Bernie's appeal to the voters we need to win over. That's a guy feeling, and I'm not saying it's anything other than that. I just don't think there is an appetite in this economy for this massive overhaul of everything he wants to do. For a lot of middle class folks, the economy is pretty dang good. They might hate Trump, but do they hate him enough to uproot the entire system? That's the question. I don't think anyone has ever gone broke by betting on middle class white people saying "fuck you got mine."

I seriously hope I'm wrong. I'll be the first one celebrating if I am wrong. Hell, if he wins the General, I will wear a Bernie avatar for a year.

Kaitos · Feb 19, 2020

alr1ght said:
Yeahhh, I'm coming to terms with Trump getting another term. That the Dems screwed it up this badly with an easily winnable election is just sad. Oh well, I'll be 65 once the Supreme Court is able to shift back left.

Better to get used to it now than in November.

I love proclamations like this that fly in the face of all evidence we have, that it's going to be a close race, with maybe the Dem slightly favored, if just slightly. It's impossible to say either the Democrats or Trump have any gigantic advantage in election.

It's really true that the more people say the something is 'certain' to happen in politics, the less they know.

TheHunter · Feb 19, 2020

adam387 said:
So, I think saying "Bernie is definitely going to lose" is as wrong as saying "Bernie is definitely going to win." Do I have major doubts about his ability to win the General? Absolutely. Would I rather go into the election with nearly anyone else? Yes. But, if the party voters nominate him, that's what we go with. I'll max out to him the day he's the nominee.

It's just my personal opinion that a lot of folks vastly underestimate Bernie's appeal to the voters we need to win over. That's a guy feeling, and I'm not saying it's anything other than that. I just don't think there is an appetite in this economy for this massive overhaul of everything he wants to do. For a lot of middle class folks, the economy is pretty dang good. They might hate Trump, but do they hate him enough to uproot the entire system? That's the question. I don't think anyone has ever gone broke by betting on middle class white people saying "fuck you got mine."

I seriously hope I'm wrong. I'll be the first one celebrating if I am wrong. Hell, if he wins the General, I will wear a Bernie avatar for a year.

Now he needs to win.

adam387 · Feb 19, 2020

TheHunter said:
Now he needs to win.

Hell, you can pick out the avatar. :P

sangreal · Feb 19, 2020

Kaitos said:
The Immoderate Susan Collins

After a long career voting across the aisle, why did the Maine senator gamble her legacy on Trump?

www.thecut.com

This piece on why Collins may lose is so good.

This is a great article and I love this depiction of the Senate

It's hard to see what Collins wants to go back to Washington to do, unless it is, simply, to continue to be in the U.S. Senate, which, as Adam Jentleson, the former deputy chief of staff to Harry Reid, commented to me, "is the world's greatest retirement home, with a full schedule and a staff to tend to all your needs."

TheHunter · Feb 19, 2020

adam387 said:
Hell, you can pick out the avatar. :P

I already have it picked!

Tiger Priest · Feb 19, 2020

patientzero said:
I.e. "I'm comfortable enough to escape to other arms". Whatever that means. "I don't have to fight too hard because I have options." Have fun, some of us have skin in the game.

Grow up and stop trying to alienate your allies. I have fought for Democrats pretty much nonstop for the past 12 years. My wife is an immigrant and I've been on the front lines of putting up with this admin's bullshit, so don't talk to me about not having skin in the game.

adam387 said:
So, I think saying "Bernie is definitely going to lose" is as wrong as saying "Bernie is definitely going to win." Do I have major doubts about his ability to win the General? Absolutely. Would I rather go into the election with nearly anyone else? Yes. But, if the party voters nominate him, that's what we go with. I'll max out to him the day he's the nominee.

It's just my personal opinion that a lot of folks vastly underestimate Bernie's appeal to the voters we need to win over. That's a guy feeling, and I'm not saying it's anything other than that. I just don't think there is an appetite in this economy for this massive overhaul of everything he wants to do. For a lot of middle class folks, the economy is pretty dang good. They might hate Trump, but do they hate him enough to uproot the entire system? That's the question. I don't think anyone has ever gone broke by betting on middle class white people saying "fuck you got mine."

I seriously hope I'm wrong. I'll be the first one celebrating if I am wrong. Hell, if he wins the General, I will wear a Bernie avatar for a year.

Agreed 100%. Don't mistake my shitting on Bernie for a lack of caring. I shit because I care and don't want to lose. If he's the nominee I'll campaign for him as hard as I fought for Obama. And if he wins I will also make Bernie my avatar for a year.

RastaMentality · Feb 19, 2020

There's so many amazing quotes in that article. My favorite being the ending:

Choosing between a party that now demands total fealty and a constituency she's promised independence, Collins — a woman who has built her image around being a careful, thoughtful decision-maker — appears to have made no decision at all about the best way to keep her power. Instead, she is hoping that she can pretend to do both without anyone noticing.

It might work. But if I were her, I'd be deeply concerned.

This is also just completely loathsome:

Back in 1997, her first year in office, Collins gave an interview that showed how instinctively she understood the power of being a possible swing vote in a Senate that still sometimes worked on a bipartisan model. "I'm consistently sought out by both sides for co-sponsorship of bills," she told the New York Times. "I have a lot of power — I like that."

But the idealization of practical, cooperative women in politics, the no-nonsense gals who work well with others, has taken a hit in recent years. That's in part thanks to a long-overdue reckoning, post-2016, with the more than half of white women who voted for Trump and, for decades before him, abetted the rise of his ever-more-punitive, patriarchal Republican Party: For what, with whom, and to whose benefit, have these women been willing to compromise?

As the meeting started, Woerter recalled, Collins didn't even address the storytellers. Instead, Woerter said, "she was very focused on her displeasure with the advocacy organization" and spoke only to the Planned Parenthood representatives, telling them that "she hadn't appreciated the way people had treated her at an earlier event." Collins was referring to having been commencement speaker at Colby College's 2018 graduation, to which much of the graduating class had worn I STAND WITH PLANNED PARENTHOOD stickers, not as an explicit protest but as an affirmative expression of their commitment to reproductive health. "I recall her saying something along the lines of 'You should all be nicer to me,' " said Woerter. Eventually, Woerter and her companions got to tell their stories. "She did say a couple of times that she was really sorry, and that that must have been a hard time to go through." But the meeting ended quickly, after Collins offered up some of the reasons she felt Kavanaugh would not overturn Roe. "It definitely gave the feeling, leaving," said Woerter, "that there was no chance of persuading her."

MizerMan · Feb 19, 2020

Kaitos said:
The Immoderate Susan Collins

After a long career voting across the aisle, why did the Maine senator gamble her legacy on Trump?

www.thecut.com

This piece on why Collins may lose is so good.

Just finished reading it and I hope Collins gets pink slipped.

adam387 · Feb 19, 2020

TheHunter said:
I already have it picked!

Kaitos · Feb 19, 2020

RastaMentality said:
There's so many amazing quotes in that article. My favorite being the ending:

The whole article is fantastic. I was riveted

adam387 · Feb 19, 2020

The reason I hate Collins so much is I can't stand bullshit, and she's 99% bullshit.

Kaitos · Feb 19, 2020

This is so fucking perfect.

GrapeApes · Feb 19, 2020

Molly Hensley-Clancy on Twitter

“The pollster told me that they had more recently polled Warren vs. Trump, and cited Klobuchar's "momentum" as a tipping factor - they want a "marker" in case she picks up more support. "I suspect [Warren] will be part of the next testing," he said. https://t.co/Elue4tFR0k”

twitter.com

patientzero · Feb 19, 2020

Tiger Priest said:
Grow up and stop trying to alienate your allies. I have fought for Democrats pretty much nonstop for the past 12 years. My wife is an immigrant and I've been on the front lines of putting up with this admin's bullshit, so don't talk to me about not having skin in the game.

Fair enough, but I've been in this scrum since 2000, advocating as far back as Gore in an election where even an ally like Rage Against the Machine said, "More for Gore, or the son of a drug lord", as if they were equivalents. In an era where Balaclavas were an object used against the "establishment" of the WTO, i.e. the Battle of Seattle.

I'm a writing tutor at a regional community college representing students from - Mexico, Venezuela, Columbia, Nepal, Bhutan, Mongolia, Ghana, Nigeria, Congo, Yemen, Oman, etc.

I represent a dozen nations in their fight for representation over 20 years.

Mcfrank · Feb 19, 2020

RastaMentality said:
Jonathan Chavez on Twitter

“If only Bernie hits 15% he’ll net 144 delegates on the field. If a second candidate hits the board, his net advantage on that candidate in CA statewide at-large delegates shrinks to ≈50. 2 other and it shrinks to ≈30. It’s the biggest inflection point in the race.”

twitter.com

And California is already fucking voting. The candidates should be ignoring Nevada and South Carolina to be living in California the next two weeks or this thing is over.

Kaitos · Feb 19, 2020

Mcfrank said:
And California is already fucking voting. The candidates should be ignoring Nevada and South Carolina to be living in California the next two weeks or this thing is over.

538 predicts that Bernie will get more than a 100 delegate net advantage in CA right now.

Tiger Priest · Feb 19, 2020

patientzero said:
Fair enough, but I've been in this scrum since 2000, advocating as far back as Gore in an election where even an ally like Rage Against the Machine said, "More for Gore, or the son of a drug lord", as if they were equivalents. In an era where Balaclavas were an object used against the "establishment" of the WTO, i.e. the Battle of Seattle.

I'm a writing tutor at a regional community college representing students from - Mexico, Venezuela, Columbia, Nepal, Bhutan, Mongolia, Ghana, Nigeria, Congo, Yemen, Oman, etc.

I represent a dozen nations in their fight for representation over 20 years.

I appreciate your efforts. But I don't think you need to be sniping at me for an offhanded, non-serious comment.

Goodnight all. I'll get my popcorn ready for the debate tomorrow - fuck Trump and Bloomberg!

fragamemnon · Feb 19, 2020

Mcfrank said:
And California is already fucking voting. The candidates should be ignoring Nevada and South Carolina to be living in California the next two weeks or this thing is over.

If you are broke then doing well in NV or SC does you more than campaigning in any one state for Super Tuesday.

Surfinn · Feb 19, 2020

Dear candidates

Please destroy Bloomberg

Sincerely

Hopefully everyone

Arm Van Dam · Feb 19, 2020

RastaMentality said:

"What have I done?"

RastaMentality · Feb 19, 2020

Soyoung Kim on Twitter

“Meanwhile, as vice president under Barack Obama, @JoeBiden “reads speeches that somebody writes for him,” @MikeBloomberg told Reuters. “That’s the job. His job was not to manage but to do some things the president needed done and for all I know he did a competent job.””

twitter.com

This one's gonna be a mess.

Kaitos · Feb 19, 2020

The campaigns seem very encouraged by how the NV Dems are running them through how the caucuses are going to work. It actually seems very well thought out.

Nevada Democrats begin demonstrating live caucus calculator tool to campaigns, volunteers - The Nevada Independent

With four days until the first in the West caucus, the Nevada State Democratic Party is finally debuting a live, hands-on version of a new iPad-based calculator tool that precinct chairs will use to fold in the results of early voting on Caucus Day.

thenevadaindependent.com

Xaszatm · Feb 19, 2020

Today on...interesting takes...The author is advocating for preference primaries. Basically, voters would vote for their preferred candidate and about possible issues...and then the Elites would decide based on that results...which is kind of what we have already...and if said elites decided to toss that public opinion that wouldn't solve the divide anyways...I'm confused by this article.

spx54 · Feb 19, 2020

RastaMentality said:
Soyoung Kim on Twitter

“Meanwhile, as vice president under Barack Obama, @JoeBiden “reads speeches that somebody writes for him,” @MikeBloomberg told Reuters. “That’s the job. His job was not to manage but to do some things the president needed done and for all I know he did a competent job.””

twitter.com

This one's gonna be a mess.

love seeing the moderate candidates eat each other like dogs. more of this please 😂

fragamemnon · Feb 19, 2020

If the party elites actually want to tip the scales, endorse and campaign for a candidate ffs. It is insane how big names are just sitting this out right now. House New Democratic Coalition could just say that Bernie endangers them and please consider someone else.

Deleted member 38573 · Feb 19, 2020

@moderates letthemfight.gif

Rilakkuma Fanatic said:
Is this like a rephrase of Brie Brie's iconic 'if I give you money for saying the n-word and you accept it, that shows how strong your economic anxiety is' tweet?

I don't know who Brie Brie is or what economic anxiety is, but the poster was just explaining historical materialism.

Crocodile · Feb 19, 2020

Bloomberg's ads are working:

Bloomberg's feasts are working:

Hopefully the debate puts an end to this.

acheron_xl · Feb 19, 2020

Crocodile said:
Bloomberg's feasts are working:

Hopefully the debate puts an end to this.

Now that's what I call trickle-down economics.

i like big butts · Feb 19, 2020

If people are convinced to support Bloomberg because he buys a spread every election season, this truly is the end of the Roman Empire.

TheHunter · Feb 19, 2020

i like big butts said:
If people are convinced to support Bloomberg because he buys a spread every election season, this truly is the end of the Roman Empire.

If this is so, it is time it did end.

Good thing we've still got debates and a primary!

skullmuffins · Feb 19, 2020

whole poll:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/cont...99-af1e-e6534d53a9d8/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2

Huncho_Houdini · Feb 19, 2020

skullmuffins said:
whole poll:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/cont...99-af1e-e6534d53a9d8/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2

Jesus christ at the Biden drop. Sanders really out here.

Do we have cross tabs on this by race? Can't see the whole poll behind the paywall.

TheHunter · Feb 19, 2020

Everything is coming up Millhouse.

I mean Bernie.

cameron · Feb 19, 2020

https://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1211a12020Politics.pdf

ABC News on Twitter

“JUST IN: Electability has been a cornerstone of Joe Biden’s campaign—but just 19% now say he’s likeliest to defeat Pres. Trump, sliced in half from 38% in January. 30% of Democrats now see Bernie Sanders as most electable, up 12 points. https://t.co/XByTJXikVy”

twitter.com

TheHunter · Feb 19, 2020

"A woman, just not that one" in graph form.

Feep · Feb 19, 2020

I'm going to do everything I can to help the eventual Dem nominee, but seeing Trump's approval numbers as the highest they've ever been is absolutely soul-crushing. I have never felt so utterly angry at the state of humanity.

TheHunter · Feb 19, 2020

Feep said:
I'm going to do everything I can to help the eventual Dem nominee, but seeing Trump's approval numbers as the highest they've ever been is absolutely soul-crushing. I have never felt so utterly angry at the state of humanity.

If it makes you feel better, those are still terrible numbers for a good economy incumbent.

ValiantChaos · Feb 19, 2020

Kusagari · Feb 19, 2020

Democrats nationally appear to be much less concerned about Sanders's ideological stances than voters in New Hampshire's Democratic primary last week. In a New Hampshire exit poll, 50 percent of Democratic primary voters said Sanders's positions on the issues were "too liberal," an opinion shared by only 17 percent of Democratic-leaning adults in the national Post-ABC poll.

Well then

YaBish · Feb 19, 2020

skullmuffins said:
whole poll:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/cont...99-af1e-e6534d53a9d8/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2

👀 +9 👀

Seems like Biden voters second choice being Sanders at least partially played out.

I do tend to wonder if Bloomberg's gains are partially undecideds (from Biden) parking their vote with him like Silver was postulating yesterday. Guess we won't find out for a couple weeks.

Deleted member 13101 · Feb 19, 2020

Yet to be asked of Bloomberg: How many bloomberg terminals does the US government (taxpayers) pay for now, and how many will they pay for in a Bloomberg administration? News subscriptions? Does he have plans for divesting or blind-trusting-his businesses? Suspending or resigning any board seats?

Malleymal · Feb 19, 2020

Barr is planning to leave office so that he does not need to answer questions during that hearing at the end of March. He isn't slick.

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