US PoliEra 2020 |OT5| Guidance recommends quarantining PoliERA
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Been talking about this for a while now."PoliEra is the general politics OT, but it's also a community thread."
US PoliEra 2020 |OT 2| Dershowitz says "Quid Pro Quo on the Go?" [See Staff Post]
Okay, so. First: Michael Bloomberg is polling at 14% in the Democratic primary and rapidly going up. This is bad, because Mike Bloomberg is a billionaire doing his best to buy himself a presidential nomination, a racist, a transphobe, and also effectively a Republican. He governed for most of...www.resetera.com
We are a quantum community/thread that only exists in one space when it serves the interests of others, and only generates moderation involvement when it is targeted at them. See the sudden influx and scrutiny as Wonderment was getting targeted.
In complete honesty, I've felt like I can't post in here and I run the damn site. And yes, it's a damn community.
It is really a depressing outcome, the next few months dont seem very bright.
One problem I've had is how it feels like my reports are getting ignored. Like we had a staff post in the primary OT about how ableist language wasn't allowed here (in general, obviously, but this post was in regards to how people were saying that Biden had dementia), but when I report posts saying that "Biden clearly isn't there mentally" or "Biden doesn't even know where he is" they are ignored. Like, is it fine for people to hint that he has dementia, as long as they don't say the word? I was going to make a thread about this, but I figure it's probably better to ask here since mods are here atm.
It's a democratic outcome. Sorry you don't like it. Losing sucks, I know. Losing twice betting on the same shit horse probably sucks twice as much.
Not sure how you think I'm playing dumb, I'm not in every thread all the time lol
I tend to check this thread a couple of times a day but don't post much. Seems like it's about stuff beyond just this thread then. I can't speak to what the mods are thinking but this just feels like a tipping point after the Biden ad. My view is I'll never agree fully with the mods but I intend to keep posting and steer the conversations as best as I can... or if I have nothing to say, lurk.
Biden will do fine, "voters" like yourself are the hopeless ones.
As someone who lurks, yeah this hurts to see. I often use PoliEra, and its more frequent posters or 'top members,' to see some level headed discussion about what's happening, what could happen, etc. Some of you guys do a great job keeping clear heads and make absorbing the events of the day, be it coronavirus, or the primary, or whatever OrangeTurdBoy has gotten up to, easier to handle just by watching you work through it, or lay it out as you see it. It's been really helpful. Especially whenever I feel like NPR is being a bit too "But but, benefit of the doubt."
This is definitely an issue. Literally any insinuation or outright statement is fine so long as it doesn't use the specific word "dementia." It really doesn't make any sense.
Everyone is certainly entitled to their positions and feelings regarding regarding Biden. But to feel things will be as bad or worse under a Biden White House with a Democratic Senate is woefully naive and needlessly negative.
Damn it's real interesting how right after a post is made about "people coming in here just to start fights" four people who Rarely Post decide to come in and post shit that might start fights
Yeah this place used to be an invaluable safe harbor from all the gaslighting from our cowardly press. Not anymore.
I used to feel like a better informed citizen following along here and now it's all drowned out by nonsense.
You have to remember people on this site thought Bernie with a republican senate would be better than a generic dem with a dem senate
Man, its gonna be grim if Biden loses. Better hope he wins and just isn't a shittier Kerry.
Like I hope Trump is out of office but Biden isn't it for me. I don't feel confident he would be able to win.
For me, with Biden, it's not about hope. It's about desperation. There's policy that Trump is pushing that will fuck me and people I love and the people who are in the exact same situation, which I know is a lot. So I'll vote for Biden in desperation that my life and other's live might not be as fucked.
Those people are naive and shouldn't be viewed with credibility.
I think what I'm noticing is that I'm starting to feel desensitized to Biden because at this point everything he says or does is turned into outrage or disqualifying or whatever.
This ad completely made no mark on my radar as I said before and had gone by with no fanfare yesterday.
On a closer inspection, I can see the dog whistle even if I don't think it was actually intended (and I don't even know if many would have even paid it attention if it wasn't made a loaded thread title since they didn't even pay attention to it yesterday) but at the same time when everything is being made an outrage about the man, nothing is anymore.
When I haven't seen or heard of this anywhere but here, it feels like an echo chamber formed along the line.
This ad completely made no mark on my radar as I said before and had gone by with no fanfare yesterday.
On a closer inspection, I can see the dog whistle even if I don't think it was actually intended (and I don't even know if many would have even paid it attention if it wasn't made a loaded thread title since they didn't even pay attention to it yesterday) but at the same time when everything is being made an outrage about the man, nothing is anymore.
When I haven't seen or heard of this anywhere but here, it feels like an echo chamber formed along the line.
I cannot at all say that the actions the top posters are taking by leaving to be unreasonable. Y2Kev I really don't mean to blow you up dude, but issues in a community that require moderation intervention can't be solved with the ignore button. Ultimately people cannot be asked to stay in an environment that is fine with hostility towards them. And I mean, I'm saying this as someone who's crushed that a place that's helped kept me sane for the past five years is crumbling right before my very eyes.
Gotta work to beat Trump! By far he is the biggest threat facing most communities we care about...and many we don't.
It feels like a pure toss up bc of how corona can impact the election. Next months are going to take us on a ride.
I hope people don't leave and that this thread doesn't die off. I've had my fair share of disagreements with some of the regular posters here in the past, and I've thought most of you were insufferable at one point or another (I'm well past that now!), but to me, this is honestly one of the few places on the Internet for genuine, mostly level-headed political discussion. I've tried getting into places like /r/politics and it's just not the same.
Consider giving me a Discord invite!
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Same. I've deeply valued the collective insight, even in the midst of disagreement. At times the conversation's been richer as a result. This thread has always felt, more or less, like a positive space for perceptive discourse to me—even in its most heated moments. If the DIscord is anything like that, I'd be grateful for a PM.
I appreciate this post.
And then I see it gets followed with these posts.
Also I'm not gonna lie I'm not above begging on the ground prostrating myself for a discord invite/pm as well. Y'all can even put me in a role where I can't say shit in any channel in that server.
Ive lurked here a long time and participated more back on the old place. I don't plan on leaving either and don't want to give up on this community but I would also appreciate a Pm or Discord invite.
I get that but there were several other candidates that would be less controversial than Biden. Biden feels like Dems haven't learned a single lesson in 2016 and gonna repeat the same thing. Trump is not hard to beat in popularity, dems will need to take this seriously if they really want to beat him.
Does this community really want the level of discourse here to be more like the rest of politics threads? Right now there's a lot of inflammatory overgeneralization and jumping to in(s)ane conclusions in almost any US politics thread except this one, and it would be nice for there to be at least one respite from the alternate reality of OT.
I for one won't bother using the site if this is how it's going to be from now on.
I for one won't bother using the site if this is how it's going to be from now on.
Where in my post did I start a fight or launch a personal attack?
It's really hard to have a big tent community when there is such a gap in trust of institutions between members. Like when I ignore people out of this thread is when people are making claims against quality media/Democrats/"DNC"/CAP or whatever group that are unconscionable based on my trust of those institutions. I'll never reconcile w/ that, only argue, so better to just ignore. I haven't had to ignore any regular.
The other problem is that the GOP is so toxic and pisses everyone off so much that things can get heated up pretty fast. Twitter takes just make things even hotter. Angry people and hot takes aren't a good way to set for a few pages of conversation. If we can team up ( yes it is OK to complain about Biden!), kick them out, then gerrymander them into oblivion then maybe we can have disagreements without things turning into existential dread over four more years of Donald Trump.
The other problem is that the GOP is so toxic and pisses everyone off so much that things can get heated up pretty fast. Twitter takes just make things even hotter. Angry people and hot takes aren't a good way to set for a few pages of conversation. If we can team up ( yes it is OK to complain about Biden!), kick them out, then gerrymander them into oblivion then maybe we can have disagreements without things turning into existential dread over four more years of Donald Trump.
This is the only general US politics thread on this site. It's called PoliEra with people who like to talk about politics. It's why I always posted in here even though everyone in here disagreed with me. The election thread was gone for a while this thread remained until the voting started.
I think most communities get criticized for being insular when dissenting views are called bots or invaders for talking about political thought outside of polls which I posted and commented a lot on myself.
I think political thought and deep talk was generally accepted until people disagreed and started arguing over socialist thought
"PoliEra" seems like the wrong name for what this community is, but it was really the only place people are allowed to talk about general political events and non-threadworthy political stories and talk.
I wish there was just a general US Politics thread where it didn't feel like you were encroaching on some one's hierarchical club where dissenting opinions are surrounded and dealt with by the club. I'm pretty used to it and could handle the punches, but I can understand why people don't really know what the bounds are when Era was founded with this community having a monopoly on general political discussion.
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I mean, I'm at a disadvantage here, dubs, which you know, because you are a General Manager and I am not. And what does it say if you feel like you can't respond with all of your clout and power compared to all of us? What does it say when you ask for "where was that said" when you know it is offsite and any receipts provided would be against the rules, and so I find you one here and I get met with a "well, how do you think I feel" response?
This community was accused of trying to get VectorPrime unbanned for gross anti-Semitic shit, when that was not the truth. And any one of you could have put out that fire in that moment, but let it sit. You have seen Auto get targeted in threads he is not a part of and labeled a "Biden supporter" for no reason other than that he posts here and liked... Warren? TLBB got hounded relentlessly (partially their fault) as have others. Staff just gave a three day ban to a troll who's avatar is celebrating Kirb getting (finally) perm'ed. If you put the word "poliera" in a bookmark on search, you can routinely see the shit that gets talked about us and labeled to us generally.
You and I know I can go on. We, and myself and others, have had these very long discussions for nearly 18 months and it has gotten worse, and the 2 week bans to tell a user they aren't invincible, the continued one month bans for users who keep doing the same shit, the people who only suddenly post in this thread (like now), all at the same time, because they are coordinating it, is all there for people to see, and as you and the rest of the staff here are seeing, to say nothing of the internal staff issues Wonderment described in getting ableist rhetoric against politicians actionable, and other Good Dudes.
I understand you don't like Biden as a Bernie supporter - I myself like Bernie infinitely more and am really bummed out that he lost, and if the choices in November were two boring moderates or cente/center-left candidates I would be 100% ok with not voting - but as a progressive you have to responsibility to think of the monstrous effects a second Trump term would have on minorities, Democratic institutions as well as world peace. This isn't an election you can sit out, sadly - everyone is needed, and I understand some people find this sort of rhetoric preachy and that Centrists have long used it to get people to vote for half measures and incremental change, but this time the stakes really are that high.
Hell, 2016 was probably the time to stop this madness and we may be too late already, but I'm horrified at the thought of allowing things to get even worse.
I'd also appreciate a Discord invite if possible. I live and work in Japan and this is one of the few sane places I can keep up with the scope of what's going on back home.
"The Dems" aren't a cohesive monolith that ordained Biden, is the issue. Voters elected him after months of everyone campaigning.
At some point, there's no argument to be made that there's a better candidate. Everyone lost to a candidate who is as generic as possible. Biden is literally the "inanimate carbon rod to beat Trump" as you can get.
I post here all the time. If you don't agree with what I am saying ignore me or add your own thoughts.
As a lurker, this is what is astonishing to me. Mods post in this thread, yet magically do not see any of these things happening. I don't post much, but I have reported posts several times and nothing happens.
I'd be very sad to see some of the posters of this thread go, it is one of the more consistent and level headed threads on this forum, but I understand. Maybe it's time to move on in general.
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